December 2020 Current Events: Rue Britannia! Waive the rules!

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Richard Bong: Dec 11, 2008

McNally posted:

My wife once got a bill from a hospital pathologist.

It was to cover tests they ran.

On her heart, kidneys, and liver.

To make sure they were okay to transplant.

That was definitely a surprise.

What the gently caress.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 08:05

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# ? May 26, 2024 03:47

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

Richard Bong posted:

What the gently caress.

american health care, best in the world!

# ? Dec 21, 2020 08:21

Riot Carol Danvers: Jul 30, 2004; It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

A quote from my friend Dave, a retired Direct Support Operator who spent many many years in shithole countries at the governments whim, who posted this and when asked if it was OK to share, said "share away!"

quote:

So the President actually sat his fat loving rear end in the Oval Office today and talked about using a military coup to overturn the election that he was clearly the loving loser in, and not a single GOP politician has said a word about it, and we're just ignoring over 300k dead Americans, and we can't get the supply chain issues right for the vaccine distribution for the vaccine that the US government didn't buy enough of, and Congress won't give us $1200 of the dollars we gave them in taxes so people don't starve to death after they get evicted when the eviction moratorium ends because all the sudden one GOP rear end in a top hat is worried about the deficit after 4 years of not giving a poo poo about it, and some guys were just marching in DC and burning banners they stole off black churches, and strangely I haven't heard a peep from the oh so brave "vandalism is crime" crowd and strangely no 17-year old white supremacists showed up with an illegal firearm to protect that church, and I wonder why that is, and the President's son in law probably siphoned campaign money into the pockets of his family, but I actually don't care about that because that only impacts naïve people who actually gave money to Trump, and speaking of that rear end in a top hat, he hasn't said a word about the over 3600 people who died from COVID yesterday, and oh by the way the politician assholes who've spent the past 9 months calling this a democrat hoax are now getting the vaccine while you and I will be lucky if we see it by the summer, and we just suffered the worst cyberattack in our nation's history after the President for years talked poo poo about how strong we are and that we were going to create some bullshit joint cyber unit between our country and his boss's country...but yeah, America is the best country in the world, right?

We are nothing but a loving bullshit sales pitch, a lovely bait-and-switch. Oh we talk about land of the free and home of the brave, but tell me where you see that broadly? In France, they throw a burning toilet at the President's house if the price of cheese goes up too much, and then the price of cheese goes back down. We get loving bread crumbs thrown at us by hypocrite assholes who fought to get tax deductions for luxury yacht purchases, and when people do protest (IF they're NOT white supremacists) they get the poo poo kicked out of them by the cops and some dudes in uniforms with no identifying info on them, thrown into a van, and nothing loving changes...but yeah, we've got guns so apparently that's freedom. Oh, and on that note, apparently we only use those guns when applebee's is closed too long and so we want to kidnap the governor. But yeah, those are the aforementioned "brave," as in home of the _______.

I see America.

Riot Carol Danvers fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Dec 21, 2020

# ? Dec 21, 2020 10:04

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

sums things up pretty well, but he forgot about the bounties

# ? Dec 21, 2020 10:22

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

Why is it always the anesthesiologists with the billing scam? Does their school tell them they can get away with it because they only see patients at their most vulnerable?

# ? Dec 21, 2020 11:51

warsow: Jun 28, 2009

Riot Carol Danvers posted:

A quote from my friend Dave, a retired Direct Support Operator who spent many many years in shithole countries at the governments whim, who posted this and when asked if it was OK to share, said "share away!"

Nailed it.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 12:08

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Wasn't there an article some years back about some iraqi army specops group and the (american) general who trained them was proudly going on about just how good they were. This was all before ISIS really um, exploded so it's probably way funnier* in retrospect

*most hosed up definition of the word

# ? Dec 21, 2020 12:12

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

https://twitter.com/clarissaward/status/1340993392646483969?s=19

And increasingly looking like Boris hosed up the COVID mutation thing. There are already seven coronavirus mutations, his whole "70% more contagious!!" thing seems to be entirely based on modelling that could just be London-specific, and scientists in both Germany and Iceland have basically said "uh, we've seen/known about this strain already".

Perfect time to be setting up a hard Brexit!

# ? Dec 21, 2020 14:05

Pine Cone Jones: Dec 6, 2009; You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!

So I've been seeing a bunch about this whole SISEA thing going on, are there actually good odds of this dogshit passing or is it just some people wringing hands publicaly about porn again?

# ? Dec 21, 2020 14:10

CRUSTY MINGE: Mar 30, 2011; Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Oh, it's the winter solstice.

Thank gently caress, I'm sick of the sun going down at 4:30.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 14:19

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

Fallom posted:

Why is it always the anesthesiologists with the billing scam? Does their school tell them they can get away with it because they only see patients at their most vulnerable?

Just spitballing here but I would guess it's because for even simple procedures with a general anesthesia they are another MD in the room and depending on the type of hospital / system will float between different clinics / wards meaning that their billing and pay structure are probably different than that of whatever doctor you're being operated on by.

The most annoying ones are the "bill from the hospital" followed weeks or months later by the "bill from the doctor". Had one of those that was the exact same amount and both came on the same letterhead so I assumed it was a duplicate until I started getting some really angry voicemails from collections people.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 15:01

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Oh, it's the winter solstice.

Thank gently caress, I'm sick of the sun going down at 4:30.

Sunsets have been improving for a week or two already.

(Barely, and sunrises continue to get later through early January.)

# ? Dec 21, 2020 15:40

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

facialimpediment posted:

https://twitter.com/clarissaward/status/1340993392646483969?s=19

lol

# ? Dec 21, 2020 15:41

Pine Cone Jones: Dec 6, 2009; You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!

https://twitter.com/acvalens/status/1340338322326106112

# ? Dec 21, 2020 15:42

stackofflapjacks: Apr 7, 2009; Mmmmm

facialimpediment posted:

https://twitter.com/clarissaward/status/1340993392646483969?s=19

This article is really cool, also features goon hero Bellingcat! Doing his usual, tracking the bio chem FSB unit that did the poisoning through flight logs and phone records.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 15:47

Epiphyte: Apr 7, 2006

Pine Cone Jones posted:

https://twitter.com/acvalens/status/1340338322326106112

I'm 100% certain that SISEA is a trojan horse with massive collateral damage

But claiming Reddit is the home of "ethical DIY porn" is certainly a take

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:06

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Epiphyte posted:

But claiming Reddit is the home of "ethical DIY porn" is certainly a take

I think they use the standard of, "well it's not a snuff film, so it's very ethical."

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:10

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

There was a really good deep dive about the ideology at play there last week in the GBS r/relationships mock thread of all places

betaraywil posted:

Re:

May I present...

Reddit Weirdos and Porn: An post

We've come a long way from the days when the Weekend Web was a portal to places mortals feared to tread. These forums were exotic places with weird layouts, incomprehensible jargon, and totally alien worldviews. Now, of course the complete (Anglophone) human experience can be found, give or take, on Reddit (and maybe to get that last 8% of the human experience you still need to go to FetLife).

There are two main drivers of Anti-Porn Reddit's ideology. One of them is regular red-pill style toxic masculinity, but with Nazis who think that if they don't cum that much, the extra semen will make them more masculine. That's weird and all, but that's not what we're going to come across in this thread. (I'll link to this Slate piece from May by Kelsy Burke and this piece by Eleanor Janega about medieval antecedents for Nazi semen retention.)

What we're more likely to come across is a modern, mainstream, plausibly feminist strain of anti-pornography. Of course, anti-pornography sentiment has a robust history among feminists, and, well, yeah. The porn industry is terribly exploitative, especially of young female talent. There are labor issues galore, and even the recent history of the industry is filled with shady monopolies robbing performers with accounting practices as evil as anything you'll find in the mainstream entertainment industry.

You will see these critiques on anti-porn Reddit, but you'll see much more than that. Some of it is familiar, like pearl-clutching about how Only Fans "ruins" young women. But more often, the focus is on how pornography ruins men for their partners. "Pornsick" men lose interest in sex, fall into depression, and suffer erectile dysfunction. They can no longer experience arousal in the presence of mere human women. They are--over the long term--incapable of fidelity. Above all, consuming pornography is evidence of an undeniable addiction. There is a perpetual fog around mind of an addict (and on subs like Love After Porn, this is the only acceptable term; "my boyfriend" becomes "my addict" or "my SA"), and he lives a diminished shadow-life oriented entirely around getting his next fix. The damage is not only to his romantic relationship, but to his friendship, his parenting, and his career. Just like any other kind of addict, he will bankrupt his family to get his fix. If that sounds farfetched to anyone, the answer--still, now, in 2020--is "hey, look what Tiger Woods threw away."

The only way forward is to admit your addiction, declare your powerlessness, and try to rebuild. But once you come to terms with your addiction? Don't worry; there's a whole industry out there with products that will fix you and your marriage.

The Hook: Jesus and Memes
As with any toxic ideology, people don't come to Anti-Porn for the catastrophic thinking and the psychological snake oil. At least not at first.

There are many feeder communities--Relationships and RelationshipAdvice are two of them!--but for this post I'm going to focus on ChristianMarriage and FemaleDatingStrategy, since they represent something of a complete spectrum of anti-sex ideologies. ChristianMarriage is basically Relationships but for evangelical Christians (see, any romantic relationship is either a marriage or a betrothal for marriage), while FemaleDatingStrategy looks at the toxic, misogynist gender essentialism of MRA/PUA/RedPill culture and says "yes, that's more or less correct, but how can I make it work for me?"

I don't recommend going to ChristianMarriage. It is a sad place, filled with children who got married to other children and don't understand why the resulting marriage is not as fulfilling as their pastors led them to believe it would be. (Except when it's adults who got married to children or vice-versa wondering the same thing.) CM posters (broadly speaking) believe that they are practicing radical monogamy, and more importantly that their community is defined against society at large by that radical monogamy. (I mean, yeah, there's that Jesus guy, but true Christianity only comes from keeping yourself pure for your husband.) Pornography obviously has no place in such a worldview, and consuming it is an act of infidelity, not only against the wife and the marriage, but against the entire moral order that has defined the spouses' lives to this point. What can one possibly do after such a betrayal? Pray, forgive, demand accountability, and check out LoveAfterPorn (a support sub for "survivors" of addicted partners, modeled loosely on Al-Anon).

FemaleDatingStrategy brings people in in a more familiar way: Memes. There are lots of tweets about women suffering because they put up with bullshit from undeserving men. Lots of men being ogres. There's specialized terminology to restrict the reader's imaginary and make her incomprehensible to others (a woman who desires male attention is a "pickme" or "Pickmeisha"; a lovely man is a "scrote") some of it borrowed from RedPill culture (lvm = low value male, you get the idea). The "strategy" is that you can work odious stereotypes to present as a High Value Female and to sort out Low (or No) Value Males. Porn is evil and bad because the industry is exploitative (and--showing the hand a bit--so is basically all kink). But FDS is in perfect accord with CM, because the real problem with porn is that it's cheating. Infidelity is one of the clearest signs of a low value--it would take a real pickme to put up with a cheating scrote! And again, even if you don't think porn is infidelity per se, it's a warning sign of sex addiction, which leads inevitably to infidelity. You can get everything you need here, but you might want to check out LoveAfterPorn!

(Let's not neglect the internalized misogyny. Women who make porn--especially on OnlyFans--are the ultimate pickmes. They devalue themselves, spread the pornsickness that ruins previously HVMs, and are generally sex-traitors to all the women who know what's really up.)

The Grift: Betrayal Trauma
You knew it's a grift, right?

There are books (for the recovering addict and the partner), home diagnostics ($10 for the questionnaire that will help you find out if ~~you're~~ your partner is really a sex addict), daily support groups ($50/hr, but 10% off if you're a site member), one-on-one Zoom sessions with a certified counselor (oh you poor dear; we'll work out a sliding scale). A NetNannyesque browser extension for Christians in sex recovery is about the annual cost of MalwareBytes. Groups like FightTheNewDrug sell merch and take donations to raise awareness (well they all take donations). Flared users are very generous with links to commercial enterprise, and the bottom half of the LoveAfterPorn masthead is basically a catalog.

The term of art is "betrayal trauma," because the grift is about validating and amplifying big feelings, turning a lustful gaze into infidelity, disagreement into betrayal, and habit into addiction. All degrees of discomfort and dysfunction are elided. The tagline of one LAP-linked support group is a perfect chain of escalating equivocations:

quote:
Face the lies, porn use, infidelity, sexual coercion, emotional abuse, and narcissism with support & confidence.

That's typical. On any post on one of these subs, no matter how far down on the page it sits, somebody will come in with a completely catastrophic narrative of their (or their partner's) pornography use. Again from Christian Marriage (and this is an excerpt from a longer post, on a post with all of 52 upvotes):

quote:

Porn is far worse than you can imagine. It is training him to see women, including you, as nothing but a body, not a person. It is infidelity which NEVER has a place in a marriage. It will destroy his emotional intimacy with you. It will even lead to erectile dysfunction. And it is even worse than that. Porn is about chasing a dopamine high. It is extremely addictive. As the mind craves the dopamine, the dopamine sensors in the brain lose their sensitivity. So the addict (yes addict), is literally driven to find more and more extreme porn to chase that dopamine high. Think gay porn, violent porn, incest, children... eventually the addict can only get aroused by this extremely disgusting stuff and regular sex will mean nothing.

And porn is extremely addicting. Quitting it is not possible unless the person is 100% committed. Failure can not be an option. Cutting back on porn is not an option. They have to be at the point where they're going to be clean or die.

Note the use of pseudo-science. "Pornography changes the chemistry of the brain" is a continuous refrain, after those clickbaity headlines about how cheetos light up your brain like cocaine. No real woman can compete with the dopamine burst that comes from pornography, any more than a woman can compete with heroin. There's plenty of questionable stuff taken from the AA model--"the addict must hit rock bottom"; self-assessments are open-ended with ambiguous questions calibrated to maximize false positives. Of course the diagnostics are not intended to diagnose anything like a mental health issue so much as coopt the language of medicine to induce feelings of powerlessness: Note that the very same resource page links to "10 Signs You're a Sex Addict", which describes masturbating "20 or 30 times a week" and ruining relationships with infidelity until it drives you to suicidal ideation. The contradiction between these diagnostics can be resolved with amplification: If you look at pornography, you are a sex addict. If you are a sex addict, you have no control. If you have no control, you will cheat on your wife and ruin everything.

Now give me fifty bucks.

The Cure: "God doesn't want you to trust your spouse"
It's a big grift, but it's not just a grift. It's also about social control.

On ChristianMarriage, the gold standard for an addict in recovery is establishing accountability partnerships with other Christian men. That can certainly include a minister or pastor, but in most cases it's what it sounds like--you come out to your friends as a porn addict and ask them to help you struggle against porn. Whatever the intention is, the effect is to humiliate and isolate. (Also that is definitely the intention.) Total digital transparency is often a requirement--that means your wife checks your phone on demand, checks your internet history, puts parental controls on the teevee.

(FDS is kinder in many ways; you can just leave that no-value scrote and level up. Start LooksMaxxing!)

There are lots of remedies, but the overwhelming message is that none of them will ever really work. The only thing that can free an addict of porn is continuous vigilance, not only on the part of the addict but on the part of friends, coreligionists, and above all the partner. Like just about all social violence directed against men, it's also about controlling women, keeping them insecure and frightened, pliable and bilkable. A pretty low-interest LAP post (22 upvotes) asking "Does the overthinking ever stop?" got a handful of responses on the order of:

quote:
No, it doesn't fully go away. When trust is broken, it never gets fully repaired to what it was. What you had was blind trust before and that simply is a one time deal. Once you break someones trust, they will never ever be able to blindly trust you again because they know better now. My husbands been sober for almost 3 years and every once in a while i still get doubtful and my mind races itself into a panic.

(This, by the way, is a common refrain on ChristianMarriage: You can't trust your partner, and you never should have trusted your partner; we are all sinners, and all you can trust him to do is be tempted to sin.)

I think that's what gets me the most about the internet anti-porn people (and why I don't really bring them up in this thread). If you spend any time on these subs, you'll notice that their posts and their replies are low visibility, but filled with the same replies over and over again. Posts about porn (as opposed to meme posts on FDS) rarely crack 1000 upvotes (or even 100). Replies to those posts net even fewer. But those replies are earnest, lengthy, and intense. A lot of them are expressions of significant human pain, bared for an audience of fifteen or twenty or thirty, day in and day out, with no change in intensity. Some of the people who see these replies are persistent members of the movement, some of them are people in pain passing through just long enough to throw a couple of bucks into the pot and pick up a few emotional scars, and some of them are me, coming to study and gawk. Because it's Reddit, those posters will never know how many of which. They may not ever really know whether anyone's reading or being helped, but they keep doing it. The real cure for porn addiction--a thing not-quite made up by conmen--is to warn people about porn addiction, over and over again, hoping that one day you'll get through, like some kind of really lame ancient mariner.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:13

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Epiphyte posted:

I'm 100% certain that SISEA is a trojan horse with massive collateral damage

But claiming Reddit is the home of "ethical DIY porn" is certainly a take

Eh, she didn�t say �the� home and she didn�t state clearly that Reddit hosts ONLY ethical DIY content. Just that there exist some ethical DIY areas on reddit.

Among other things, extremely messed up that the bill is all or nothing on pornographic material regarding revenge porn.

That is, either you sign up and zero nude material of you can be posted (including stuff you want to post) or you don�t and revenge porn can be posted.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:16

Defenestrategy: Oct 24, 2010

stackofflapjacks posted:

This article is really cool, also features goon hero Bellingcat! Doing his usual, tracking the bio chem FSB unit that did the poisoning through flight logs and phone records.

I'm really curious as to the security measures this dude has.

I've studied some amount of executive protection stuff and have friends who currently do it for B-list celebs, and I can't imagine how you would keep this dude alive even if the Russian Government has a want to maintain some amount of direct deniability. I assume a lot of it has to be he rotates living quarters frequently, his food/drink is procured by layers of cutouts, and he doesn't go outside much.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:24

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Defenestrategy posted:

I'm really curious as to the security measures this dude has.

I've studied some amount of executive protection stuff and have friends who currently do it for B-list celebs, and I can't imagine how you would keep this dude alive even if the Russian Government has a want to maintain some amount of direct deniability. I assume a lot of it has to be he rotates living quarters frequently, his food/drink is procured by layers of cutouts, and he doesn't go outside much.

This assumes Russia doesn�t actually want the foreign public to know what they�re doing. Considering the response to assassination attempts on foreign soil is �so what are you going to do about it� the bellingcats of the world are probably neutral to good in Putin�s view

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:28

Spoggerific: May 28, 2009

That CNN article links to another one where Putin basically says "eh, if we really wanted to kill him we could".

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/17/europe/putin-annual-press-conference-intl/index.html

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:29

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

mlmp08 posted:

Eh, she didn�t say �the� home and she didn�t state clearly that Reddit hosts ONLY ethical DIY content. Just that there exist some ethical DIY areas on reddit.

Among other things, extremely messed up that the bill is all or nothing on pornographic material regarding revenge porn.

That is, either you sign up and zero nude material of you can be posted (including stuff you want to post) or you don�t and revenge porn can be posted.

Honestly the best approach to revenge porn is using the DMCA and DMCA subpoenas. At least the later back in 2012 extremely useful in litigation prep. Only thing is you have to have a proper belief that it is used for litigation, now that doesn�t mean you can�t use a legal demand letter, which threatens legal action (of course you can threaten legal action what you actually tend to do it) and if you settle it well that�s okay too.

Serious I know people hate content protection industry stuff, but it does have some uses I found outside of that too. I one time got a clients photos taken off a site that was registered to some isp that was generally considered the worst of the worst by targeting there ancillary services with those.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:29

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

MazelTovCocktail posted:

Honestly the best approach to revenge porn is using the DMCA and DMCA subpoenas. At least the later back in 2012 extremely useful in litigation prep. Only thing is you have to have a proper belief that it is used for litigation, now that doesn’t mean you can’t use a legal demand letter, which threatens legal action (of course you can threaten legal action what you actually tend to do it) and if you settle it well that’s okay too.

Serious I know people hate content protection industry stuff, but it does have some uses I found outside of that too. I one time got a clients photos taken off a site that was registered to some isp that was generally considered the worst of the worst by targeting there ancillary services with those.

The only valid reason people have for hating that stuff is RIAA/MPAA using them as tools in a terror campaign against piracy by suing old ladies and teenagers. I don't think anyone but pirates have an issue with them being used legitimately, and even most of them would think its funny as poo poo to use those laws against scumbags

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:34

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Spoggerific posted:

That CNN article links to another one where Putin basically says "eh, if we really wanted to kill him we could".

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/17/europe/putin-annual-press-conference-intl/index.html

Yeah, master Troll Putin has basically been saying: "If we had done it, he'd be dead"
Caveat: He did it, and they hosed it up, like they did going after Fireeye instead of staying quiet and exploiting their Solarwinds win.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:35

pantslesswithwolves: Oct 28, 2008

That bill seems very much like FOSTA and SESTA that were well-intentioned in terms of trying to cut down on sex trafficking but ended up making it harder and more dangerous for sex workers instead. Why, sometimes I think that Congress just doesn�t think about the implications of the legislation it passes!

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:37

Defenestrategy: Oct 24, 2010

hobbesmaster posted:

This assumes Russia doesn�t actually want the foreign public to know what they�re doing. Considering the response to assassination attempts on foreign soil is �so what are you going to do about it� the bellingcats of the world are probably neutral to good in Putin�s view

There's a difference between having a dude suicided, get stabbed during a mugging, or get sick and die, and having the police just straight up arrest the dude and put a bullet in the dudes dome. I assume its because the government wants to maintain some amount of direct deniability with regards to the dudes mysteriously untimely death for whatever reason.

I feel like you wouldn't use your special toxin commando team on a dude you don't care if he lives or dies.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:37

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Defenestrategy posted:

I feel like you wouldn't use your special toxin commando team on a dude you don't care if he lives or dies.

The reality: Putin is a petty rear end in a top hat that loves using poisons that send a message. Its entirely about him, not his target.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:39

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Defenestrategy posted:

There's a difference between having a dude suicided, get stabbed during a mugging, or get sick and die, and having the police just straight up arrest the dude and put a bullet in the dudes dome. I assume its because the government wants to maintain some amount of direct deniability with regards to the dudes mysteriously untimely death for whatever reason.

I feel like you wouldn't use your special toxin commando team on a dude you don't care if he lives or dies.

The position is that he could've died, so the message was sent.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:40

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

RFC2324 posted:

The only valid reason people have for hating that stuff is RIAA/MPAA using them as tools in a terror campaign against piracy by suing old ladies and teenagers. I don't think anyone but pirates have an issue with them being used legitimately, and even most of them would think its funny as poo poo to use those laws against scumbags

Oh I don�t disagree I just wanted to add a little disclaimer there before so I didn�t get dog piled. But Yep I think the IP approach to revenge porn can actually be extremely useful and honestly get results quicker and better then other legal avenues. The thing is the people posting would have to go to court to claim that somehow: it�s fair use somehow they have the persons permission, consent and/or copyright ownership�Good luck proving that (and I�m sure judges and juries will be totally receptive to that)...and spend a poo poo ton of money in the process.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:42

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

Yeah when you really have to be sure you get the UK police to rule that your mark who drowned in a bathtub, in a duffel bag, padlocked from the outside, was just having a wacky sexual misadventure

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:43

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

RFC2324 posted:

The only valid reason people have for hating that stuff is RIAA/MPAA using them as tools in a terror campaign against piracy by suing old ladies and teenagers. I don't think anyone but pirates have an issue with them being used legitimately, and even most of them would think its funny as poo poo to use those laws against scumbags

Except even when used legitimately, it so overly broad that they openly take down legally protected stuff, so no. MPAA/RIAA can rot in hell.

Meanwhile, let's go see how its going in the UK
https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1341036201424416773?s=20

Oh....oh that's not going well...

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:44

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

Speaking of Russians sending messages:

https://twitter.com/IlvesToomas/status/1341041742196449283?s=19

They always seem to "fall" out of windows. It's strange!

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:47

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Porfiriato posted:

Maybe a bit of but Dominion and the other voting machine companies are considering suing right-wing trash TV into the ground for their repeated false claims, and some First Amendment lawyers seem to think they would have a pretty good case:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/business/media/smartmatic-lawsuit-fox-news-newsmax-oan.html

It's long, but the gist is that Fox News could probably survive it, but since Newsmax and OAN are already setting piles of money on fire trying to build viewership it could be the end of the line for them...and it would probably also threaten the likelihood of a Trump TV being created post-inaguration.

Please god, please god, pleeeeeeease. :ohdear:

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:49

Bored As Fuck: Jan 1, 2006; Fun Shoe

facialimpediment posted:

Speaking of Russians sending messages:

https://twitter.com/IlvesToomas/status/1341041742196449283?s=19

They always seem to "fall" out of windows. It's strange!

I know that that's terrible, but I seriously laughed when I read the headline.

Russia is a parody of itself now.

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:51

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

Bored As gently caress posted:

I know that that's terrible, but I seriously laughed when I read the headline.

Russia is a parody of itself now.

Much like the US.

Cold war: not even once

# ? Dec 21, 2020 16:56

Defenestrategy: Oct 24, 2010

hobbesmaster posted:

The position is that he could've died, so the message was sent.

Yea, but if I remember right isn't this the dude whose been poisoned like twice before this, had chemicals thrown on him, and was stabbed during a mugging or something?

# ? Dec 21, 2020 17:01

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

RFC2324 posted:

The only valid reason people have for hating that stuff is RIAA/MPAA using them as tools in a terror campaign against piracy by suing old ladies and teenagers. I don't think anyone but pirates have an issue with them being used legitimately, and even most of them would think its funny as poo poo to use those laws against scumbags

DMCA is used for all sorts of garbage bullshit reasons. A lot of this is enabled by just assuming opponents cannot or will not face you in court.

Examples:
-Trying to crush very legitimate fair use via threats or automation
-DMCA takedown of property you don�t even own to troll competitors (for example, getting someone�s own music or videos pulled just to be a dick)
-Reuploading original work and then DMCA the original creator out of their own work

# ? Dec 21, 2020 17:04

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

/\/\/\ I said legitimate use ffs. Abuse is not legitimate. Reading comprehension ffs

Defenestrategy posted:

Yea, but if I remember right isn't this the dude whose been poisoned like twice before this, had chemicals thrown on him, and was stabbed during a mugging or something?

Yeah, but Putin said if they wanted him dead he would be

# ? Dec 21, 2020 17:05

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# ? May 26, 2024 03:47

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

CommieGIR posted:

Except even when used legitimately, it so overly broad that they openly take down legally protected stuff, so no. MPAA/RIAA can rot in hell.

You can still agree that it�s a useful tool in this circumstance, right? I mean we work with what we have; more often then what we want.

Also if I told you about the time I used it on a Nazi, you�d probably at least enjoy it then. :lol:

An idiot was selling solution manuals, using hella Nazi seller names. It was great he was terrified him so much he told his attorney he was scared if he didn�t settle he wouldn�t be able to go outside the country. Oh god that story is so much fun, including using his dumbass MySpace profile picture to match a likely address of his parents and comparing it with Google street view data. He had been ignore all email demands, but funny enough when his parents got a certified overnight letter from FedEx...he got in touch. And honestly that�s not even a good telling of the story (his attorney finding out that he was a Nazi, and the screen names weren�t just video game references, is a great part too). :kiss:

mlmp08 posted:

DMCA is used for all sorts of garbage bullshit reasons. A lot of this is enabled by just assuming opponents cannot or will not face you in court.

Examples:
-Trying to crush very legitimate fair use via threats or automation
-DMCA takedown of property you don�t even own to troll competitors (for example, getting someone�s own music or videos pulled just to be a dick)
-Reuploading original work and then DMCA the original creator out of their own work

Ah yes YouTuber drama 101. That said with YouTube these days it�s not actually the DMCA, but content Id and back door access to YouTube�s takedown tools. Honestly those are far more susceptible to abuse, and trust me that happens on a geometric size larger then DMCA takedowns.

Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Dec 21, 2020

# ? Dec 21, 2020 17:07

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