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From Stalin and Molotov's perspective they probably thought they had pulled off the diplomatic coup of the century by setting Nazi Germany against the other capitalist powers. After all, Hitler could literally never stop shutting up about how he was going to murder every judeo-communist in the world. Now, they partitioned an unfriendly neighbor, got some buffer room against the hostile western powers, get the Nazis declared on by his other enemies. Let them fight. And Hitler would be incredibly stupid to persecute a new war against Soviet Russia now, considering they hadn't even wrapped up their war against the British, and were dependent on Russian oil and rubber. What do you mean reliable sources are telling me that Germany is mobilizing to attack us? That's bullshit, that would be stupid. Oops. A self own on the level of Bill Clinton telling Donald Trump to run in 2015 without realizing he could tap into a revanchist streak of the American populace whose brains had been melted by Fox News and Facebook.
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:I think that’s more of a testament to the Soviet people than the government, Stalin and Molotov would probably have been very happy to sit the whole war out if that was an option, they certainly tried until the last possible minute. You could say he was content to keep Stallin'
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Alan Smithee posted:"plz do not doxx dogs thank you" All dogs are comrades and deserve the protection.
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Zeroisanumber posted:All dogs are comrades and deserve the protection. 
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Zeroisanumber posted:All dogs are comrades and deserve the protection. Sorry, but acab.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Sorry, but acab. they're dogs, you can't blame a dog for how its raised.
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Dogs are moral innocents like all animals. They can’t bear responsibility for their actions because because they’re not self-aware. All dogs are good dogs tautologically. To be a dog is to be good.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Dogs are moral innocents like all animals. They can’t bear responsibility for their actions because because they’re not self-aware. 
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scruff and paw patrol are innocents, they know not what they do
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im going to put them down like the dogs that they are
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Fictional characters have the agency of their author.
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my bony fealty posted:scruff and paw patrol are innocents, they know not what they do Bullshit, you think Scruff keeps talking about crime in "Chicago" for nothing? It's obviously a dog whistle.
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scooby doo is a cop excellent tilework, gotta admit
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i say swears online posted:scooby doo is a cop
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imagine being a cop without a pension lol
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i say swears online posted:scooby doo is a cop scooby doo exclusively fights landlords and property developers
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duz posted:scooby doo exclusively fights landlords and property developers In real life scooby doo unmasks the landlord, the cops beat up scooby doo, and the landlord just starts evicting people the normal way
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duz posted:scooby doo exclusively fights landlords and property developers ...holy poo poo.
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Mystery Inc, a known ANTIFA cell,
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Business Gorillas posted:In real life scooby doo unmasks the landlord, the cops beat up scooby doo, and the landlord just starts evicting people the normal way true but they would shoot scooby
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Gaupo Guacho posted:didn't Stalin regularly murder anyone who tried to convince him otherwise lol the one time he was insufficiently paranoid but of course his paranoia was aimed squarely in the domestic sphere but not the international
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:I think that’s more of a testament to the Soviet people than the government, Stalin and Molotov would probably have been very happy to sit the whole war out if that was an option, they certainly tried until the last possible minute. dude wtf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSTQ7HTHMvo
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It is always interesting that Russia's era of appeasement-style policy against Germany is paraded around as a condemnation, but we tend to forget that other major countries who were involved in that war had similar policies.
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stalin definitely wanted to avoid going mano-a-mano with germany for as long as possible. for some reasons directly related to stalin and for other reasons completely outside of stalin's control, they weren't anywhere near ready for that fight when it started, to say nothing about two years earlier when they signed the molotov ribbentrop pact. both sides had good internal reasons to play for time in 1939 that had nothing to do with the other, and both sides knew that the other was liable to break the agreement as soon as it was advantageous for one to do so. hitler was going to invade the soviet union at some point, and stalin knew it, and this isn't an example of his paranoia actually being right, just look at germany's rhetoric towards the soviet union and tell me that they weren't going to get into existential conflict sooner rather than later. hitler sure wasn't keeping his desire to destroy the soviets a secret, the only question really was whether stalin would beat him to the punch and invade first. history, for a variety of obvious reasons, played out the way it did. without getting too far into the realm of the counterfactual, stalin definitely would have preferred that hitler beat the poo poo out of the french and british for as long as possible while he built up his military strength. he knew that an existential war was going to happen, the only question was when it would kick off, and every troop killed and penny spent in the west was one less that would be available to be used later in the east. and, to be clear, none of this is a moral judgment or a suggestion that he should have acted different. what he was doing was all about winning an existential war and, regardless of how they got to that point in 1939, playing for time was absolutely in the soviet's best interest. Edit: Cpt_Obvious posted:It is always interesting that Russia's era of appeasement-style policy against Germany is paraded around as a condemnation, but we tend to forget that other major countries who were involved in that war had similar policies. basically this. everyone knew war was coming, but no one wanted to be the first ones to fight germany, instead everyone wanted to be the ones to open the second front. for obvious reasons, however, it was the soviets that drew the short straw Azathoth has issued a correction as of 04:57 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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whooo giiiiiiiiiives a shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
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Police need a good purge all over the world.
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I wonder why absolutely no media outlet will refer to this man as a terrorist?
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Who woulda thought: the people who get off killing innocent people do it for a living. "Infiltrate" indeed.
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Quote-Unquote posted:I wonder why absolutely no media outlet will refer to this man as a terrorist? I know your expected answer is "buh it's because he's white" but media often has a very narrow definition of "terrorist" quote:It offered little relief that Stephan B. had seemingly acted alone. Unlike most of the other far-right terrorists that Germany has seen in the past few years, Stephan B. was not a member of any neo-Nazi terrorist cell, like the National Socialist Underground (NSU), and had not joined any extremist political group. Since he wasn't part of a "terrorist cell" or an "extremist political group", he does not fit the linguistic definition to be labeled a "terrorist"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s06mOpQe0Q We have the animal welfare association We have child protection We have the pensioner protection association And it's useless! We also have the Motherhood Protection Association And a protection association for the dear fatherland! We have the monument protection We also have the protection of minors And a protective bandage That should protect against trash and dirt! But there is someone who is not protected at all - I would like to hope that they will support me there! Let's protect the police From annoyance and trouble! When a robber is caught by surprise And forgets to run away - Yes, who is protecting the policeman? Yes, who is protecting the policeman? Top City Homo has issued a correction as of 18:11 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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FCKGW posted:Since he wasn't part of a "terrorist cell" or an "extremist political group", he does not fit the linguistic definition to be labeled a "terrorist" The definition of "terrorism" does not require a cohesive structure, merely political aims through the use of violence against fungible targets. State actors are usually not considered terrorists despite the fact that they do all these things (probably because they make the rules). Cpt_Obvious has issued a correction as of 18:40 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Zeroisanumber posted:Police need a good purge all over the world. Drawing a lot just seems a lot better than having people apply to be pigs.
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FCKGW posted:I know your expected answer is "buh it's because he's white" but media often has a very narrow definition of "terrorist" it’s stochastic terrorism, like Alex Jones riling up kooks that don’t know each other who then go on to, individually, perform terroristic acts with the same end goals and motivated by the same radicalizing agent. I don’t mean to say you are unaware of this but that journalists and politicians need to update their definition of “terrorism.” Dang It Bhabhi! has issued a correction as of 19:51 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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i wonder why these guys have such trouble finding women to go on dates with them
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