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monsterzero
May 12, 2002
-=TOPGUN=-
Boys who love airplanes :respek: Boys who love boys
Lipstick Apathy
TY

I'm exactly three miles downrange from the local airport. I guess I'm safe because Jerry would never make his turn to final this far out

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e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

monsterzero posted:

TY

I'm exactly three miles downrange from the local airport. I guess I'm safe because Jerry would never make his turn to final this far out

Hey foothills buddy, I live a few miles south of KGOO. And I teach (well taught, aero club is closed for COVID) out of KMYV.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

monsterzero posted:

TY

I'm exactly three miles downrange from the local airport. I guess I'm safe because Jerry would never make his turn to final this far out

Are you near the runway heading? It is said that if a twin suffers an engine failure, the remaining engine will be sufficient to carry the plane to the scene of the accident. It's about three miles away.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Ola posted:

Are you near the runway heading? It is said that if a twin suffers an engine failure, the remaining engine will be sufficient to carry the plane to the scene of the accident. It's about three miles away.

Probably beat the paramedics by 15 minutes.

a patagonian cavy
Jan 12, 2009

UUA CVG 230000 KZID /RM TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE BENGALS DYNASTY

Ola posted:

Are you near the runway heading? It is said that if a twin suffers an engine failure, the remaining engine will be sufficient to carry the plane to the scene of the accident. It's about three miles away.

depends on altitude when you lose the engine and pilot technique (lol)

so less than 3 miles regardless, I’d wager

monsterzero
May 12, 2002
-=TOPGUN=-
Boys who love airplanes :respek: Boys who love boys
Lipstick Apathy

e.pilot posted:

Hey foothills buddy, I live a few miles south of KGOO. And I teach (well taught, aero club is closed for COVID) out of KMYV.

Not *that* local, thankfully.

Ola posted:

Are you near the runway heading? It is said that if a twin suffers an engine failure, the remaining engine will be sufficient to carry the plane to the scene of the accident. It's about three miles away.

I'm south of KCIC. I'm like 10 doors down from plumb down the runway. So yeah, I'd probably beat the ambulances. If I hear a boom I'm running because I want to get in on the ultimate Norcal Aero YT blancolirio x Jerry mashup

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Ola posted:

Are you near the runway heading? It is said that if a twin suffers an engine failure, the remaining engine will be sufficient to carry the plane to the scene of the accident. It's about three miles away.

When we had a Seneca suffer an engine failure* on takeoff at my home airport, it didn't make it three miles.

* It wasn't an actual engine failure, it was a simulated engine failure and gently caress the idiot who gave a simulated engine failure at an unsafe altitude. I don't care how much you trust your student and/or yourself, you don't do dumb poo poo like that.

Hermsgervørden
Apr 23, 2004
Møøse Trainer

PT6A posted:

When we had a Seneca suffer an engine failure* on takeoff at my home airport, it didn't make it three miles.

* It wasn't an actual engine failure, it was a simulated engine failure and gently caress the idiot who gave a simulated engine failure at an unsafe altitude. I don't care how much you trust your student and/or yourself, you don't do dumb poo poo like that.

Holy gently caress

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

monsterzero posted:

Not *that* local, thankfully.


I'm south of KCIC. I'm like 10 doors down from plumb down the runway. So yeah, I'd probably beat the ambulances. If I hear a boom I'm running because I want to get in on the ultimate Norcal Aero YT blancolirio x Jerry mashup

I’ve buzzed your house teaching students :v:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Hermsgervørden posted:

Holy gently caress

I feel bad for the dude, 'cause he dead, but I feel worse for his student. I mean, you receive flight instruction with the expectation that your instructor will not purposefully put the aircraft into a hazardous situation. A solidly poo poo choice on the instructor's part, and contrary to Transport Canada's guidance on how to teach and examine that exercise.

I do try to offer other pilots the professional courtesy of not second-guessing their actions, but we've had two fatals during flight training at my home airport in the past few years, and (after investigations, not by word of mouth) both involved instructors creating unsafe scenarios, and that's absolutely unacceptable to me.

PT6A fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Dec 22, 2020

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Surely you aren’t supposed to actually do that in a real airplane I say as I remember I ran across this ERJ-145 crash:

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19980211-0

https://reports.aviation-safety.net/1998/19980211-0_E145_N14931.pdf

Apparently they didn’t have simulators for the ERJ-145 in 1998 so they had to do it live...

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952





WHOOP WHOOP JERRY JERRY
WHOOP WHOOP JERRY JERRY
WHOOP WHOOP JERRY JERRY

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

mllaneza posted:

WHOOP WHOOP JERRY JERRY
WHOOP WHOOP JERRY JERRY
WHOOP WHOOP JERRY JERRY

airbus already has a voice file that they could use but i'm not gonna say it

Munin
Nov 14, 2004



"Phase of Operations: DESCENT - UNCONTROLLED"

Grim

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

Sagebrush posted:

airbus already has a voice file that they could use but i'm not gonna say it

:wink:

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Aeronautical Insanity: It's not air law you should worry about, it's Jerry

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

mllaneza posted:

WHOOP WHOOP JERRY JERRY

Thread title?

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Sagebrush posted:

airbus already has a voice file that they could use but i'm not gonna say it

Hehe

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Sagebrush posted:

airbus already has a voice file that they could use but i'm not gonna say it

?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gChFuTtoUVY

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
It’s the one that tells pilots to slow their descent, because Jerry is a little slow on the checklist.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

How the gently caress did they give a speak and spell a southern drawl?

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Cojawfee posted:

How the gently caress did they give a speak and spell a southern drawl?

Very slow clock cycles

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Cojawfee posted:

How the gently caress did they give a speak and spell a southern drawl?

Incest.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Godholio posted:

Aeronautical Insanity: It's not air law you should worry about, it's Jerry

:hmmyes:

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

So I know Skybus was a thing, but I think I found another contender for worst airline name: CARGOJET

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

Nebakenezzer posted:

So I know Skybus was a thing, but I think I found another contender for worst airline name: CARGOJET

It would be better if they were a passenger airline that called itself that.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

"Relatively cheap passenger flights"

e: For Pilots ITT, because they would have screened Jerry out from having anything to do with these

Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Dec 22, 2020

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
What about Uber but for planes :haw:

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Nebakenezzer posted:

"Relatively cheap passenger flights"

"Cabin may or may not be fully pressurized. On the plus side, you'll have no problem sleeping during the flight. Waking up, on the other hand, is not guaranteed."

priznat posted:

What about Uber but for planes :haw:

Isn't that NetJets?

Or this, maybe? https://simpleflying.com/costco-private-jet-subscription/

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005

priznat posted:

What about Uber but for planes :haw:

Someone sets up an app/website and raises money from VC morons for that about every other year, and inevitably gets slapped down by the FAA, after discovering that "We have an app!" isn't a convincing argument to an agency that's still unsure about this newfangled "internet" thing.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Alternately they say "we don't need pilots or licensing because of our AI system!" and the FAA says "neat, show us" and they all go blank and speechless

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005
I think one of the last attempts at "ride sharing" was threatening to sue the FAA before someone finally convinced them that "The FAA doesn't have the authority to set regulations for airplanes!" was a really stupid argument.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Yes the FAA is very strict unless your name is Boeing

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

The FAA to pilots: bend over

The FAA to airplane owners and airlines and manufacturers: would you like me to bend over?

Case in point: was in the room when my boss (chief pilot) told the FAA POI for the company that he could break the law wrt pilot duty regulations because aforementioned POI had signed off on the company's opspecs however many decades ago and it was legal then. The FAA guy just shrugged his shoulders and moved on.

If a podunk 3 jet part 135 operator can get away with these kinds of shenanigans what do you think corps with real money are getting away with?

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Yes the FAA is very strict unless your name is Jerry

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005
I think the fundamental difference between Boeing and "Uber, but with planes!" is that Boeing knows how the system works and can get paperwork saying they're following the rules they're really ignoring, whereas the app people come in and go "DISRUPT ALL THE THINGS!", and don't understand how the game is supposed to be played.

azflyboy fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Dec 23, 2020

rscott
Dec 10, 2009

azflyboy posted:

I think the fundamental difference between Boeing and "Uber, but with planes!" is that Boeing knows how the system works and can get paperwork saying they're following the rules they're really ignorong, whereas the app people come in and go "DISRUPT ALL THE THINGS!", and don't understand how the game is supposed to be played.

The rules of the game didn't change all that long ago to be honest, and that the 737 MAX turned into a clusterfuck so soon afterward just goes to prove how important those rules are. When I got my start in QA a bit over 10 years ago the FAA was basically used how Catholics use God, an omnipotent being who will gently caress you to all eternity if you took one wrong step. The reputation that Boeing has as a company that will take whatever you throw into a FAI without bothering to look at it is a pretty recent occurrence, maybe in the last 5 years or so, up to 2019 of course when all of a sudden that poo poo started mattering again

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Nebakenezzer posted:

So I know Skybus was a thing, but I think I found another contender for worst airline name: CARGOJET

Up until recently they were operating a bunch of 727s, I liked seeing them whenever I was at the airport in Hamilton.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
There's no actual reason you couldn't do "Uber but with planes" provided you adhered to all relevant regulations, and it turns out that's so expensive that no one's bothered to do it. The only difference between Uber and Uber-for-planes is that the FAA actually gives a poo poo, occasionally, about their own regulations.

In terms of consumer motivation, Uber is great mainly because it's exceptionally convenient compared to calling a cab. That doesn't exist for aviation; there's already someone willing to fly you wherever you want to go, at your earliest convenience, for the right price, and a new dispatching system isn't going to meaningfully adjust any of the variables involved.

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

PT6A posted:

There's no actual reason you couldn't do "Uber but with planes" provided you adhered to all relevant regulations, and it turns out that's so expensive that no one's bothered to do it. The only difference between Uber and Uber-for-planes is that the FAA actually gives a poo poo, occasionally, about their own regulations.

In terms of consumer motivation, Uber is great mainly because it's exceptionally convenient compared to calling a cab. That doesn't exist for aviation; there's already someone willing to fly you wherever you want to go, at your earliest convenience, for the right price, and a new dispatching system isn't going to meaningfully adjust any of the variables involved.

What you’d get following the law is netjets and nothing resembling (current) Uber.

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