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BonHair posted:Formula is a funny thing because babies will literally die if they can't get it. I think stores, at least in Denmark, have to have a supply, and they can't do any sales on it ever because that would make supply unpredictable. When China accidentally put some type of poison in their formula, we had a real problem with Chinese tourists buying formula to take home, which disrupted the balance in Denmark. Ah, is that true? I'm in the UK and I'd always heard they couldn't put formula on offer because it might discourage breastfeeding...
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PuErhTeabag posted:I recently got in an argument with a liberal about means testing and WIC/SNAP. Liberals like this learned the wrong lessons from the Reagan years. They seem to think that a charismatic shitbag running on "welfare queens" means that they have to scramble to the right to head Republicans off at the pass. The biggest tragedy of the '80s is that Reagan left his mark - not only on the country but he left us with Democrats too afraid of the specter of a Reagan to be a strong advocate for the poor.
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it does but to a lot of people wasting a ton of cash is way more palatable than wasting money on even a single person. it makes no sense but it’s a deeply ingrained belief
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bump_fn posted:means testing always costs more money to implement than it purports to save so its bad even if u want to be FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE It's not about saving money, it's about making sure we don't give money to people who don't deserve it. Whatever that means.
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I'm on vacation this week, which means I've had a meeting every day and one scheduled tomorrow and my boss called me to bitch about my co-worker's work and imply that I should have caught their poor work before the client saw it.
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Shame Boy posted:It's not about saving money, it's about making sure we don't give money to people who don't deserve it. Whatever that means. This really seemed to be the concern of the person I was arguing with, even though his reason was "efficiency". "But if they have savings more than a few thousand, they should use all their savings before asking for help" "If their car is worth more than several thousand, they should sell it and buy something more affordable"
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PuErhTeabag posted:I recently got in an argument with a liberal about means testing and WIC/SNAP. the real trick is that focusing solely on spending is a stupid and inefficient approach in the first place. a couple hundred bucks per person to a few hundred rich people is not even a million bucks. kinda silly to quibble about that when the government can add hundreds of billions of dollars worth of revenue just with the stroke of a pen even from the perspective of a liberal who doesn't give a poo poo about relieving human suffering, real efficiency in govt spending wouldn't be about cutting costs wherever possible, it would be about spending the money on things with the biggest returns in revenue: the IRS budget, followed by a social safety net to lift people out of poverty
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Main Paineframe posted:the IRS budget That reminds me, I once looked up some old news articles from when the IRS first adopted one of these newfangled com-pu-tors, and everyone was outraged that they couldn't cheat on their taxes anymore by slipping calculation errors past the data entry people. Like it was this super common thing, every article talked about how unfair it was, and what's next, will the computer soon be tracking everything I'm doing so I can't deduct these bogus business expenses either?? Oh by the way, I heard the computer was made in Germany, surprise surprise.
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Amphigory posted:Ah, is that true? I think it's the same in Denmark, at least from cursory googling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Marketing_of_Breast-milk_Substitutes https://ammenet.dk/hvorfor-er-mme-1-tilbud-ulovlige (in Danish)
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:There was someone marking the forums as hosting child abuse material for a bit because of the imp zone "controllers only molested kids owned" thread. That thread is now the “controllers only future police officers used” and it owns.
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What you are assuming is that the wealthy having their money taxed and transferred to everyone else is somehow beneficial to the wealthy because they will inevitably get it back. However, if they just keep it all from the start, there are new avenues for income that they can exploit without ever having to give up anything. Right up until the riots start.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Right up until the riots start. any day now. *taps watch*
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Cpt_Obvious posted:A rich person who doesn't give a gently caress about relieving human suffering would never want their taxes to go to social safety nets. Poverty is immeasurably profitable if you have the money to exploit it. You can force people to work slave wages they can't afford to leave, force them to pay you rent if they can't afford a house, force them into coercive payday loans, etc. The tighter you pull the noose, the more money you can squeeze from them. A healthy middle class is not nearly as useful to the rich. Why is your avatar not this version of that picture, by the way: 
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had to call my landlord three times before he showed up to fix my inflamed appendix and in the end he just left a rag tied around it
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Dustcat posted:had to call my landlord three times before he showed up to fix my inflamed appendix and in the end he just left a rag tied around it the article specifies that it's for teledoc and prescriptions i had a teledoc give me an inhaler and antacids for a sinus infection so those are like rolling a die and hoping for the best
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Health insurance for a family of 4 is more expensive then rent in probably like 90% of the country. And I mean just ok health insurance, not the cadillac plan
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Len posted:the article specifies that it's for teledoc and prescriptions I had a teledoc tell me to drink plenty of Gatorade and have a good rest for an inflamed appendix and I almost died, I might have had better luck with my landlord.
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Ensign Expendable posted:I had a teledoc tell me to drink plenty of Gatorade and have a good rest for an inflamed appendix and I almost died, I might have had better luck with my landlord. Maybe you didn't drink enough Gatorade
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PuErhTeabag posted:This really seemed to be the concern of the person I was arguing with, even though his reason was "efficiency". Yes, sell a working car to buy a 4000 dollar shitbox that probably has a major expensive repair coming. Catabolize your own resources to squeeze out a little rent money, and then you can't get to work to earn money because the shitbox is in the shop again.  I am very good at money you see.
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In Denmark you can't get welfare if you own poo poo. This means that house owners that lose their jobs (for more than two years because the first two years is not welfare) literally have to move to get money. 6If course, this makes sense, since moving is definitely cost-free and having to pay rent (which, granted, will be subsidized) is less of a burden than property taxes.
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BonHair posted:In Denmark you can't get welfare if you own poo poo. This means that house owners that lose their jobs (for more than two years because the first two years is not welfare) literally have to move to get money. 6If course, this makes sense, since moving is definitely cost-free and having to pay rent (which, granted, will be subsidized) is less of a burden than property taxes. Sorry, you're going to have to explain, as I live in a capitalist hellscape. Also, based on climate, politics, and city size, Copenhagen is on my list of "places I might like to move some day. Probably should visit first, though.
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Thanatosian posted:Sorry, you're going to have to explain, as I live in a capitalist hellscape. According to Wikipedia, ansiosidonnainen työttömyyspäiväraha doesn't exist in English, but it might exist in Danish!
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drake says no: EBT to workers in food systems drake says yes: $250,000/yr to workers designing the 747 with an anti missile laser that will never work
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I'm in favor of this in the context of the government becoming the only landlord.
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Ensign Expendable posted:I had a teledoc tell me to drink plenty of Gatorade and have a good rest for an inflamed appendix and I almost died, I might have had better luck with my landlord. This is why I google medical stuff until I have no other choice or need to get tests or drugs ordered. Everytime I go to doctor they tell me to just use OTC meds. Irritable bowel, twisted ankle, answer is the same, so why did I spend all this time and pay the copay for that? Or, we could pay less to the government than we do to health insurers. Also I'm sure there will be exemptions for people who only have one or two units to rent like small business so there's plenty of cracks for people to fall through. That's ok, we'll make giant byzantine system like we did with employers with tons of loopholes and exemptions rather than just giving it to every person at once. skooma512 has issued a correction as of 20:17 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Thanatosian posted:Sorry, you're going to have to explain, as I live in a capitalist hellscape. Basically, most people pay into a kind of insurance system, managed by private entities (with strong ties to our traditionally strong unions), which is then heavily legislated but also sponsored by the state. So you pay a small premium out of your paycheck, and you get something that is way above welfare, but also below a regular income for the first two years of your unemployment, agree which you get on your regular welfare which is ...not a lot. Unless you're caught by our overzealous racist laws and get on "integration benefits", which is half of the welfare amount and if definitely not enough for both food and rent. In any case of unemployment, you will be required to show that you're not just being a mooch, which is why there's a whole expensive system designed to Good luck moving here, we are super racist, so it's impossible to get citizenship. You can probably become a permanent resident if you're from a white country though. We will not be nice to you, refuse to speak Danish to you and complain that it's a bother that you won't learn to speak perfectly without practice. Also we've got rain and darkness a lot. But otherwise it's a pretty good place.
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BonHair posted:Basically, most people pay into a kind of insurance system, managed by private entities (with strong ties to our traditionally strong unions), which is then heavily legislated but also sponsored by the state. So you pay a small premium out of your paycheck, and you get something that is way above welfare, but also below a regular income for the first two years of your unemployment, agree which you get on your regular welfare which is ...not a lot. Unless you're caught by our overzealous racist laws and get on "integration benefits", which is half of the welfare amount and if definitely not enough for both food and rent. Surely I can find a job at the weeds and rotten meat restaurant.
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Salt Fish posted:I'm in favor of this in the context of the government becoming the only landlord. Government... a landlord... gently caress I'm an anarchist now
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Stealing goon labor.
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Things like this always remind me that some goon actually owns the IP to slenderman so anything using it has to pay him.
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pentyne posted:Things like this always remind me that some goon actually owns the IP to slenderman so anything using it has to pay him. Does Victor Surge own it?
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cultural appropriation but for goons
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3D Megadoodoo posted:According to Wikipedia, ansiosidonnainen työttömyyspäiväraha doesn't exist in English, but it might exist in Danish! Yeah we don't have that in Denmark. You get dagpenge for a year (used to be two years) via your union, adjusted to your previous income, then you go on actual welfare, which is poo poo. e: yeah this all is what BonHair talked about I'm kindof in-between, being in a "flex-job", which is when you have a diagnosis that means you aren't able to work full time. So my employer pays me an hourly that's based on the same salary as they would a full time employee, and the city/municipality pays the rest on a percentage. It's a living wage for less hours, but it's a nightmare to get there. Only took about 8 years to get through the red tape, and the city is still trying to gently caress with me lol I'm just glad I managed to get it before they shut the whole program down in the name of austerity also yeah we are sadly very racist
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pentyne posted:Things like this always remind me that some goon actually owns the IP to slenderman so anything using it has to pay him. Jared Kushner is a goon? Reveal yourself!
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StrugglingHoneybun posted:Jared Kushner is a goon? hello
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Shame Boy posted:Why is your avatar not this version of that picture, by the way: Because I did not know it existed.
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