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The books make it clear they have a lot of money from running jobs for Tycho Station and the Plus job.
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I always felt like they were only just scraping by in the books, and had to do odd jobs and pirate hunting. It's interesting the show glosses over it. Probably sensible not to have us worrying about financials and capitalism over the other drama, and more efficient to just have the roci go from one story point to another. Did they mention it when Monica was on board or were the interviews just for money in the books?
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Dec 18, 2020 00:29
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VagueRant posted:I always felt like they were only just scraping by in the books, and had to do odd jobs and pirate hunting. It's interesting the show glosses over it. Uh, book Roci has enough money to buy faster thrusters and refit a rail gun.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:36
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I think the writers felt like the "Mars wants the ship back and will try to repo it" kinda filled the same space as "we need to make money to get by." But yeah, Monica hired them to take her out to the ring for a documentary. They are a ship for hire and she was hiring, didn't need more explanation than that.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:38
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There was that whole absurd GoFundMe IN SPAAAAAAAAACE plot in book 2 so they could finance finding that guy's daughter.
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Gobbeldygook posted:There was that whole absurd GoFundMe IN SPAAAAAAAAACE plot in book 2 so they could finance finding that guy's daughter. And Anna convincing her rich chain-smoking friend to buy the Tachi from Mars and gift it to the crew.
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Dec 18, 2020 03:10
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CommanderApaul posted:This is the same time they get the cut-rate juice that gives them massive migraines isn't it? That's not the only thing it gives them lol *foreboding music
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Dec 18, 2020 04:16
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Book 2 says that the Roci crew are top OPA pirate hunters, Fred Johnson's personal operatives, celebrities, etc. and yet they're still using crappy Tachi jumpsuits that don't fit any member of the crew. 
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Dec 18, 2020 05:27
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Well, I didn't expect them to move that forward, though I guess it's more dramatic. I wonder if they're going to downplay the destruction on Earth like with Eros. Only three hits, and the one that was specified was 200-300 kilotons which is... unpleasant if you're nearby but basically nothing on a planetary scale.
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Dec 23, 2020 02:28
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Wasn't it only two? The third one got stopped. Anyway, I understand why, if they're ending next season, they don't want to go out on "and then, billions and billions of people died after this."
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Dec 23, 2020 02:37
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I remembered more but just checked, it was three in the book too. One in North Africa, one in the Atlantic, one on the US east coast. Anyway Marco's great. I love they have him looking like Alexander and he did the pivot to "actually, this was the plan" perfectly.
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Dec 23, 2020 02:40
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No, I meant in the show, don't only two rocks land? Avasarala gets Gao to act before the third one lands and it gets blown up.
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Dec 23, 2020 02:46
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No. The fourth one gets shot down, the third one impacting is what takes out Gao's plane. I hope they don't downplay it too much, Marco killing 15 billion people is important. It needs to be an absurdly out of proportion thing. The series doesn't do a lot of straight villains but Marco's one of them.
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Dec 23, 2020 02:51
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Grand Fromage posted:Well, I didn't expect them to move that forward, though I guess it's more dramatic. Its a much better ending bringing that forward for him. I always found his book death underwhelming, and not the method or the timing, but more that it felt like the writers having one too many pieces on the board and needing to remove one. That said his death is now on the table to use for Alex. I've also noticed that haven't mentioned the glitch with the rings at all, so I'm guessing Marco's eventual fate next season is different.
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Dec 23, 2020 02:53
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VagueRant posted:I always felt like they were only just scraping by in the books, and had to do odd jobs and pirate hunting. It's interesting the show glosses over it. Old but they were all dropping money left and right when they were on leave for Nemesis Games, and in Persepolis Rising they realize they have way more money than they need to retire.
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PriorMarcus posted:I've also noticed that haven't mentioned the glitch with the rings at all, so I'm guessing Marco's eventual fate next season is different. It'll have to be. Ending the final season on 'And then Marco got eaten by the ring, the end' is such a bad idea. Even if they built up to it with the Barkeith in a similar fashion to the novels, it's fairly underwhelming to just have someone like Marco basically yoinked off stage. It'll suck if they downplay the damage Marco does to Earth because it's one of the most effective, startling moments of the series.
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Dec 23, 2020 04:46
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The visual effects at least were the right size to produce planet-starving levels of damage, even if the voiceover said 200 kilotons. It would definitely suck if they pulled their punches on that, although I don't think the authors would. Moving one of the rocks to impacting in SEA instead of the middle of the Atlantic is gonna up the death toll if anything, I don't think that was unintentional.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:It'll have to be. Ending the final season on 'And then Marco got eaten by the ring, the end' is such a bad idea. Even if they built up to it with the Barkeith in a similar fashion to the novels, it's fairly underwhelming to just have someone like Marco basically yoinked off stage. It'll suck if they downplay the damage Marco does to Earth because it's one of the most effective, startling moments of the series.
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Dec 23, 2020 06:37
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The 200-300 kiloton is for the 1st/2nd one, right? The third one happened after we heard that number, didn't it?
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Dec 23, 2020 06:50
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There's no way this is 200-300 kiloton haha
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Dec 23, 2020 07:01
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Some nerd in the background calls out the first rock as 200-300kt but it's very obviously not from the visuals, 300kt would be a teeny tiny little pinprick viewed from orbit not the giant "hit so hard the fireball is bulging up through the stratosphere" continent killer we saw
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Dec 23, 2020 07:03
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Crazycryodude posted:Some nerd in the background calls out the first rock as 200-300kt but it's very obviously not from the visuals, 300kt would be a teeny tiny little pinprick viewed from orbit not the giant "hit so hard the fireball is bulging up through the stratosphere" continent killer we saw Yeah I'm gonna go with they simply made a mistake in the spoken dialogue here  
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Dec 23, 2020 07:08
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Does Filip Nagata ever show up again? And how is the protomolo gonna get to the folks that become the Laconics?
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Dec 23, 2020 07:09
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BrotherJayne posted:Does Filip Nagata ever show up again? It's possible he could show up in book 9 but otherwise no. And assuming the Laconia plot isn't cut, he gives it to them for ships
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Dec 23, 2020 07:15
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Defiance Industries posted:It's possible he could show up in book 9 but otherwise no. Oh poo poo, was that the deal? I thought it was ships for quiet passage to Laconia, and they got the sample themselves
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Dec 23, 2020 07:24
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CLAM DOWN posted:There's no way this is 200-300 kiloton haha Yeah the visuals are fine, but the two times so far they've given explosive yields in dialogue they're absurd. Given how often I run into this in fiction though, people really need to check their poo poo on Nukemap and/or do some research.
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Apropos of nothing, but if there's anyone here who just so happens to be able to calculate some explosive yields for me - even just a rough ballpark figure is fine - to ensure I don't make a similar error in this story I'm drafting up, feel free to send me a PM. 
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BrotherJayne posted:Oh poo poo, was that the deal? Nah, the entire 15M+ dead, starving years, Free Navy war was just a distraction Duarte cooked up for his trip out to Laconia. Even calling it a "deal" is probably a little generous since it implies an agreement between equal partners.
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Defiance Industries posted:Nah, the entire 15M+ dead, starving years, Free Navy war was just a distraction Duarte cooked up for his trip out to Laconia. Even calling it a "deal" is probably a little generous since it implies an agreement between equal partners. *15B innit? But yeah, thanks for the clarification!
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Yes. Yes it is. Even more than that, if Prax didn't save the human race.
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BrotherJayne posted:Oh poo poo, was that the deal? Belters steal the protomolecule from Fred, but it's part of the "payment in full" for the ships Duarte gives them. It's literally the primary thing that Duarte needs, and it's a condition of him handing over the micro-fleet Marco uses. Martians can't steal it themselves because it takes a series of Belter moles to get close enough to Fred's office to run that strike team. EDIT: Also, LOL, you blink and you miss it, but they included Marco's first "turn defeat into a victory" when they realize only three rocks got through before the UN defense system figured out how to shoot them down. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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This is why you pack 5 (or 10 or however many you can manage) rocks into the first 20 minute alpha strike window, like of course they were gonna figure it out eventually, Marco's not even good at being a mass murdering terrorist it's hilarious. Sure, set up the long-term pain train to keep them busy hunting rocks for the next year, but for the real damage you gotta make the sucker punch count.
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Dec 23, 2020 16:46
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15 of the 20 billion people on earth seems like a pretty solid sucker punch to me?
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15/30+ or so IIRC, and he could have done way better, this is total amateur hour. Killing off a mere 30% of the human race is baby poo poo. He obviously planned to slam like 50 rocks into the planet and was foiled because he somehow thought the system-dominating superpower wouldn't have a radar network, all he had to do was frontload 10 of the 50 and he'd be way closer to achieving his goals.
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Dec 23, 2020 17:32
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Gotta be honest I feel like they downplayed the rocks this time around. There was nowhere near as much tension as the missiles from mars in the first season. Just going off what they showed (people kinda just sitting around continuing their lives after the first rock hit, like in the prison where Amos went) and whatnot it just doesn't seem as big a deal at all. The books description was pretty much 'lol earth is hosed and almost everyone is going to die'.
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Dec 23, 2020 18:33
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Book Marco is constantly "Oh yeah see I meant for this to go this way" 5th dimensional chess. That's his whole shtick. He's charismatic but ultimately not the mastermind he thinks he is.
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Dec 23, 2020 18:43
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Kaedric posted:Gotta be honest I feel like they downplayed the rocks this time around. There was nowhere near as much tension as the missiles from mars in the first season. Just going off what they showed (people kinda just sitting around continuing their lives after the first rock hit, like in the prison where Amos went) and whatnot it just doesn't seem as big a deal at all. The books description was pretty much 'lol earth is hosed and almost everyone is going to die'. One rock was the worst natural disaster humanity had ever faced. Two was an obvious attack of horrific proportions. Three was basically the end of Earth as a power that could project its power outward. I'm not surprised that life was still moving normally by inertia after rock #1. It's the second two that cause society to collapse. Also, if it hadn't been for Avasarala this season, the UN would still be confused at how the rocks were being missed when Gao got killed by the last rock, and Marco would have gotten all the others through. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Dec 23, 2020 18:45
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I would bet in the coming episodes we'll see a lot more how hosed earth is.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I would bet in the coming episodes we'll see a lot more how hosed earth is. well we have Amos' Excellent Adventure to look forward to, i imagine there'll be plenty of disaster porn in there.
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Kaedric posted:Gotta be honest I feel like they downplayed the rocks this time around. There was nowhere near as much tension as the missiles from mars in the first season. Just going off what they showed (people kinda just sitting around continuing their lives after the first rock hit, like in the prison where Amos went) and whatnot it just doesn't seem as big a deal at all. The books description was pretty much 'lol earth is hosed and almost everyone is going to die'. Let's wait and see what Amos finds when he pokes his head out, eh?
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