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RandomFerret posted:The Detective can't be a Die Hard movie because it wasn't written as a sequel to a different movie and then reworked into Die Hard. None of the Die Hard sequels past 2 were originally written as sequels. Most notably With a Vengeance was originally a script called Simon Says that was essentially the same as what you saw on screen but without any allusion to McClane or Gruber. This is greatly evidenced by all the additional characters in the film. There are a bunch of other NYPD officers who originally had much larger parts. Ricky the bomb disposal guy, Graham Greene's character etc.. There was originally a lot more sub plot between the terrorists including a love triangle that was mostly omitted. You should check out the original ending. I believe that the original script for Die Hard 3 was actually reworked into Speed 2: Cruise Control and would have involved McClain's daughter like in NLF and played by Brittney Spears. This happens all the time in Hollywood when franchises get stale. They just pick a script they already bought years before off the shelf and do a rewrite. I was just looking for Nothing Lasts Forever on Amazon and found this. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1608879763?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image In my house we watch Die Hard every Christmas morning after opening presents while making a gingerbread Nakatomi Plaza. This year I'll be doing a reading of the above by the fireplace.
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James Woods posted:None of the Die Hard sequels past 2 were originally written as sequels. Most notably With a Vengeance was originally a script called Simon Says that was essentially the same as what you saw on screen but without any allusion to McClane or Gruber. This is greatly evidenced by all the additional characters in the film. There are a bunch of other NYPD officers who originally had much larger parts. Ricky the bomb disposal guy, Graham Greene's character etc.. There was originally a lot more sub plot between the terrorists including a love triangle that was mostly omitted. You should check out the original ending. I believe that the original script for Die Hard 3 was actually reworked into Speed 2: Cruise Control and would have involved McClain's daughter like in NLF and played by Brittney Spears. Die Hard with a Vengeance is the only good Die Hard sequel. Both were directed by John McTiernan, who ended up in prison over...[checks notes] crimes related to the 2000 movie Rollerball. He's pretty much banished from Hollywood, but he could direct drat good Die Hard films.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Die Hard with a Vengeance is the only good Die Hard sequel. Both were directed by John McTiernan, who ended up in prison over...[checks notes] crimes related to the 2000 movie Rollerball. He's pretty much banished from Hollywood, but he could direct drat good Die Hard films. I always thought Die Hard 2 was underrated. It's a total rehash of the original but I think it gets the spirit of Die Hard better than any of thie other sequels. I enjoy it in the same way I do Predator 2. I always wondered why John McTiernan fell off the map. That explains a lot.
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IIRC Tears of the Sun was tangentially written as a Die Hard sequel where John was supposed to rescue his daughter Lucy. Then things got changed around and it ended up what we saw. I liked Tears of the Sun
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That one's a bit of broken telephone. There was a script called Tears of the Sun that Bruce Willis read about and liked. He wanted it to be Die Hard 4, but that never materialized. Willis liked the title so much though that one of his conditions to do Die Hard 4 was that whoever owned Tears of the Sun (Fox presumably) let him have the title for a movie he was producing and starring in.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Die Hard with a Vengeance is the only good Die Hard sequel. Both were directed by John McTiernan, who ended up in prison over...[checks notes] crimes related to the 2000 movie Rollerball. He's pretty much banished from Hollywood, but he could direct drat good Die Hard films. Haha, Rollerball was indeed a criminally bad film and everyone involved deserv-- quote:He pleaded guilty to perjury and lying to an FBI investigator in regard to his hiring of the private investigator Anthony Pellicano in late 2000 to illegally wiretap the phone calls of two people, one of whom was Charles Roven, a co-producer of his dystopian science-fiction action film remake Rollerball (2002).[4] He was incarcerated in federal prison from April 2013 to February 2014 
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Imagine going to prison over loving Rollerball It would be less embarrassing to be in there for three strikes public urination
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Phy posted:The F&F movies are Vin Diesel's increasingly high-level and ludicrous tabletop RPG campaign, the cars are their +2 vorpal swords my partner is running a 5th ed D&D game based on the first F&F movie, where we have to infiltrate a group that are robing caravans on horseback, but we haven't gotten to that part yet
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GoldStandardConure posted:my partner is running a 5th ed D&D game based on the first F&F movie, where we have to infiltrate a group that are robing caravans on horseback, but we haven't gotten to that part yet ha. That opening scene from the first Fast and Furious was based on the horseback heist from John Ford's film Stagecoach.
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deoju posted:ha. That opening scene from the first Fast and Furious was based on the horseback heist from John Ford's film Stagecoach. Did someone ride a horse under the stagecoach? It's been a while since I saw it.
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No, they got that part from Alluda Majaaka (1995) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUi_gGZY2m0
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McTiernan did the first Predator too. Guys got better hits than misses.
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Man, I like the original Rollerball, but it's not a subtle movie.
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The McTiernan remake of Rollerball is the opposite of subtle too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Dfi-b-qns
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Scaramouche posted:McTiernan did the first Predator too. Guys got better hits than misses. And Hunt for Red October, which is up there with Twister on my personal "if it is on cable I am watching this movie now" list One of my most boomery habits tbh
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Phy posted:And Hunt for Red October, which is up there with Twister on my personal "if it is on cable I am watching this movie now" list I think maybe two women have a speaking role in that entire movie.
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VanSandman posted:I think maybe two women have a speaking role in that entire movie. I’m pretty sure that’s more than the book had, unless the husband & wife spy team that played a big role in Cardinal of the Kremlin and some of the follow up books were in there and I just forgot it...
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I mean yeah but the US only allowed women on subs in 2011, and it's still not allowed in Russia.
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Yeah that's kinda like complaining about the lack of female representation in The Shawshank Redemption.
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VanSandman posted:I think maybe two women have a speaking role in that entire movie. Buddy, never watch The Thing
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oldpainless posted:Buddy, never watch The Thing Counterpoint: watch The Thing, it is the greatest horror movie
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There was some clickbait article like a week ago about 15 movies that extra failed the Bechdel test by having no female roles and it included All Is Lost and My Dinner With Andre, among others.
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James Woods posted:Yeah that's kinda like complaining about the lack of female representation in The Shawshank Redemption. Oh yeah I'm not complaining, it's an accurate representation of what the environments were like in the time they were portrayed. I just thought it was noticeable the last time I watched it.
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It's not particularly subtle, especially on a rewatch, but I love how often the commodities like orange juice, bacon etc are shown throughout Trading Places.
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Eh! Frank posted:Counterpoint: watch The Thing, it is the greatest horror movie I don’t think there’s a single speaking role for a woman in that movie
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oldpainless posted:I don’t think there’s a single speaking role for a woman in that movie There is in fact 1 female role in that movie. Adrienne Barbeau is the voice of MacReady’s chess computer.
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oldpainless posted:I don’t think there’s a single speaking role for a woman in that movie There's plenty in the original.
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AFewBricksShy posted:There is in fact 1 female role in that movie. Adrienne Barbeau is the voice of MacReady’s chess computer. Does that make her an Adrienne Barbeau bot?
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MichiganCubbie posted:Does that make her an Adrienne Barbeau bot? 
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There go my nipples again.
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Not a subtle moment per se but relevant to recent conversation. In the late eighties Joel Silver had a few action movies in the pipe. At the time a screenwriter who had written one of Silver's previous action hits was pitching a script called Die Hard. Silver wanted to make this movie but asked the screenwriter if he could use the name for a separate project he was working on, an adaptation of the novel Nothing Lasts Forever. Am agreement was made and three years after Die Hard Silver produced Shane Black's The Last Boy Scout also starring Bruce Willis.
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Was watching Gremlins this past week. It’s been probably 20+ years since I’d seen the whole thing. I assume someone has mentioned this here in the past but, when Billy’s dad is at his inventor’s conference on the phone with his wife, there’s someone testing out what looks to be the time machine from the old HG Wells Time Machine movie in the background. The scene cuts back to the family home, then back to the dad on the phone and behind him, the time machine is gone and there’s lingering smoke and a mark on the floor while a man and woman are looking around to see where the time machine went. I had never caught that before and thought it was a nice callback.
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Cacafuego posted:there’s someone testing out what looks to be the time machine from the old HG Wells Time Machine movie in the background. That was the actual prop from the 1960 film, some prop collector just happened to find it for sale somewhere and restored it. E: Snowglobe of Doom posted:MGM actually sold it when they auctioned off a whole bunch of their props in the 1970s and it was lost for a while but film historian Bob Burns tracked it down eventually and restored it. It was also used in The Wizard of Speed and Time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5a_00YVVkQ&t=532s Snowglobe of Doom has a new favorite as of 14:44 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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There's something about Mary: Magda, the old lady that's always hanging out at Mary's place, mentions her habit of making herself a banana split after boning. During the film's denouement, she appears from the kitchen with some old dude and is eating a banana split. It's only subtle in the sense that no attention is drawn to it, the bowl is barely even in frame and only very briefly.
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Finished the new season of the Mandalorian. In episode 5 Ahsoka fights the whole episode dual wielding overhand. Her fight with the Magistrate is toe to toe at first. But then the Magistrate flings one of her lightsabers away. The Magistrate is confident she has her on the ropes. Ahsoka then switches to an underhanded grip. The Magistrate has an 'oh poo poo' face for a moment before she gets killed. She was not at all prepared for that, and Ahsoka knew and kept that trick up her sleeve. The baddy getting defeated when it's revealed the hero has mastered the forbidden/forgotten/secret technique is very much a trope of martial arts movies. Like the Bride killing Bill with the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique or the Crane Kick in Karate Kid. I'm sure there are better examples but those come to mind.
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Bk. posted:There's something about Mary: I watched that for the fist time last month. Dude that plays her brother is also Dan in Deadwood.
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re Fast and Furious movies. The best part of all the ones I have seen is when The Rock flexes his muscles so hard that he breaks out of his cast, only to go shoot a helicopter machine gun at Jason Statham and Vin Diesel as they fight on a multi storey parking lot. But I haven't seen the ones with Charlize Theron, or Idris Elba yet.
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deoju posted:Finished the new season of the Mandalorian. In episode 5 Ahsoka fights the whole episode dual wielding overhand. Her fight with the Magistrate is toe to toe at first. But then the Magistrate flings one of her lightsabers away. The Magistrate is confident she has her on the ropes. Ahsoka then switches to an underhanded grip. The Magistrate has an 'oh poo poo' face for a moment before she gets killed. She was not at all prepared for that, and Ahsoka knew and kept that trick up her sleeve. The baddy getting defeated when it's revealed the hero has mastered the forbidden/forgotten/secret technique is very much a trope of martial arts movies. Like the Bride killing Bill with the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique or the Crane Kick in Karate Kid. I'm sure there are better examples but those come to mind. When they split up in the third act, her next scene is taken shot-for-shot from the climax of Yojimbo, and his is shot-for-shot from the same scene in A Fistful of Dollars
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BrigadierSensible posted:re Fast and Furious movies. You sound like somebody who needs to see a car towing a truck towing a truck towing a truck towing a helicopter. https://youtu.be/dapP5W153YE
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flavor.flv posted:When they split up in the third act, her next scene is taken shot-for-shot from the climax of Yojimbo, and his is shot-for-shot from the same scene in A Fistful of Dollars I love stuff like this.
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