cenotaph posted:

I remember the constant braying from Europeans about how racist America was online back in the early aughts and then they decided to start electing nazis again because a few brown people moved in and Britain blew up all their trade agreements because they can't handle their handymen being Polish.

DACK FAYDEN posted:

...did "fruit-juice drinker", like, have connotations of hippie back then? Cause it seems very out of place next to nudist and sex maniac, but I guess it makes sense if it's on par with "sandal-wearer"

Delthalaz posted:

DACK FAYDEN posted:

...did "fruit-juice drinker", like, have connotations of hippie back then? Cause it seems very out of place next to nudist and sex maniac, but I guess it makes sense if it's on par with "sandal-wearer"

steinrokkan posted:

This is the full quote - he talks about Socialist groups in Britain being social clubs for idle weirdos and bored fad-followers, I'll leave up to your interpretation the extent to which this carries bigoted notions:

The first thing that must strike any outside observer is that Socialism in its developed form is a theory confined entirely to the middle classes. The typical Socialist is not, as tremulous old ladies imagine, a ferocious-looking working man with greasy overalls and a raucous voice. He is either a youthful snob-Bolshevik who in five years' time will quite probably have made a wealthy marriage and been converted to Roman Catholicism; or, still more typically, a prim little man with a white-collar job, usually a secret teetotaller and often with vegetarian leanings, with a history of Nonconformity behind him, and, above all, with a social position which he has no intention of forfeiting.

This last type is surprisingly common in Socialist parties of every shade; it has perhaps been taken over en bloc from the old Liberal Party. In addition to this there is the horrible—the really disquieting—prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words "Socialism" and "Communism" draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, "Nature Cure" quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.

One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study every dimple. Their appearance created a mild stir of horror on top of the bus.

The man next to me, a commercial traveller I should say, glanced at me, at them, and back again at me, and murmured "Socialists," as who should say, "Red Indians." He was probably right—the I.L.P. were holding their summer school at Letchworth. But the point is that to him, as an ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank.

Lux Animus posted:

It's me: I'm the hatless socialist, bald unto obscenity, with my rear end crammed into khaki pants.

quote:

every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, "Nature Cure" quack, pacifist, and feminist

Gripweed posted:

I don't know how confident I would be in assuming that George Orwell was LGBT-positive

Figglemort posted:

Christopher Hitchens thought Orwell might have been gay, if I remember his book on Orwell correctly.

Figglemort posted:

Christopher Hitchens thought Orwell might have been gay, if I remember his book on Orwell correctly.

THS posted:

that doesnt mean orwell was lgbt positive, or even not homophobic. for example look at all the gays who hate mayor pete. internalized homophobia is a real phenomena

Lux Animus posted:

It's me: I'm the hatless socialist, bald unto obscenity, with my rear end crammed into khaki pants.

Flavius Aetass posted:

none of these other people have hats either!

change my name posted:

https://twitter.com/luxuryjeff/status/1341755518537371648

steinrokkan posted:

This is the full quote - he talks about Socialist groups in Britain being social clubs for idle weirdos and bored fad-followers, I'll leave up to your interpretation the extent to which this carries bigoted notions:

The first thing that must strike any outside observer is that Socialism in its developed form is a theory confined entirely to the middle classes. The typical Socialist is not, as tremulous old ladies imagine, a ferocious-looking working man with greasy overalls and a raucous voice. He is either a youthful snob-Bolshevik who in five years' time will quite probably have made a wealthy marriage and been converted to Roman Catholicism; or, still more typically, a prim little man with a white-collar job, usually a secret teetotaller and often with vegetarian leanings, with a history of Nonconformity behind him, and, above all, with a social position which he has no intention of forfeiting.

This last type is surprisingly common in Socialist parties of every shade; it has perhaps been taken over en bloc from the old Liberal Party. In addition to this there is the horrible—the really disquieting—prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words "Socialism" and "Communism" draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, "Nature Cure" quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.

One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study every dimple. Their appearance created a mild stir of horror on top of the bus.

The man next to me, a commercial traveller I should say, glanced at me, at them, and back again at me, and murmured "Socialists," as who should say, "Red Indians." He was probably right—the I.L.P. were holding their summer school at Letchworth. But the point is that to him, as an ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank.

Dreddout posted:

In the thirties the scariest thing a Brit could imagine was running into a slightly poorer Brit on public transportation

steinrokkan posted:

One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study every dimple. Their appearance created a mild stir of horror on top of the bus.

exmarx posted:

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1341801500583088128

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

maybe he should act like less of a dick dorkins if he doesn't want to be called that

exmarx posted:

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1341801500583088128

exmarx posted:

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1341801500583088128

exmarx posted:

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1341801500583088128

GoutPatrol posted:

the horror

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/336048706853937152

Animal-Mother posted:

i went looking for the dick dorkins tweet and found this thread:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3689053&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Delthalaz posted:

exmarx posted:

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1341801500583088128

pentyne posted:

So, holding the line while the city burns down to ashes behind you? What are they holding the line against? Firefighters?