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Comrade Fakename posted:It’s pretty funny how all the papers are praising Boris even though they have no idea what the deal is, because it’s obvious they’re just patronising him into not destroying the country (and more importantly its ability to sustain newspapers). They'd probably been briefed to announce it this morning, as an Xmas eve boost for Boris but it's been delayed again, so they're having to work with what they've got. After having it sat in my Steam library for a couple of years, I'm finally playing The Forest. It's suprisingly fun but the dark caves are too scary for me 
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knox_harrington posted:The key issue is that someone reading your post will think if they only get one dose of the vaccine, they only have a 50/50 chance of immunity from COVID. It's not borne out by the data. The 90% figure is from the 7 days after the second shot when additional immunity wont have fully developed from the shot. A single shot just isn't "a spectacularly poo poo idea", even though his pronouncement may have been. He should walk himself into the hague and then loving die.
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Never thought I’d see a “Disco Elysium bad” take. Might be the hottest take I’ve seen in a while. Onto more U.K. centric things, friend’s house/surround area flooded with a foot of water in Cambridge. Water table’s not got any more room. Pistol_Pete posted:After having it sat in my Steam library for a couple of years, I'm finally playing The Forest. It's suprisingly fun but the dark caves are too scary for me I highly recommend playing with a friend, because then you can send them in first.
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Dec 24, 2020 07:08
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Last thing I played was Sunless Sea, does Disco Elysium work on a Mac?
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Goldskull posted:Last thing I played was Sunless Sea, does Disco Elysium work on a Mac? Yes! Highly recommend it.
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Dec 24, 2020 07:31
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DE hot takes are always fun, like all those game journalists who had no idea what they were looking at and basically end up projecting themselves onto it and not liking what they see. Putting points into the 'take drugs, get laid' skill and then being horrified as they keep clicking the options to hit on women.
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Dec 24, 2020 08:19
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The best way to play DE is as an absolutely fanatical believer in an imminent apocalypse. Also lol Blair, I wasn't aware that vaccine distribution was so hosed we needed the political Messiah back to handle it but thank Catholic God for him.
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Dec 24, 2020 08:56
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Blair says we should only use one dose of a vaccine its creators specify needs two doses? But he also said Iraq had WMDs, so he should gently caress off back to the dustbin of discredited irrelevancy. Was irked yesterday to go through the rigmarole of signing up with Epic, only to find the version of Tropico 5 they were giving away was Windows only. I wanted to create my socialist island paradise, dammit!
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Dec 24, 2020 09:13
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It’s something I’ve seen before in doctors or other people with a high degree of knowledge in one area - they assume they’re experts in everything. Apparently Blair thinks that
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Dec 24, 2020 09:24
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Necrothatcher posted:It's a tiny indie game, I think the CIA probably have better things to do rn If they can fund a ukmt goon they can fund anything..
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Dec 24, 2020 09:39
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You could make a joke that if he got involved with vaccines they would somehow end up at war with the middle east and also actually microchipping you but it turns out he literally does actually just think obsessively tracking information is half the point.
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Dec 24, 2020 09:40
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I'm just upset I never met the Sunday Friend despite him being the most skewering of me and my background.
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I had a long argument with someone that Sunday Friend is one of the most loathsome people in the entire game. Because all the rest are fundamentally defined by failure but Sunday Friend is about success and that makes him so so much worse.
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Dec 24, 2020 10:04
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I’ve not got far in DE but my favourite thing so far is either trying to persuade people I did the crime (because I want it to be a dark mystery but can’t think of anything cool) or failing physical checks so thoroughly people aren’t even mad, they just feel sorry for me. Couple of solid laugh out loud moments already and I enjoyed telling that lorry driver to gently caress off.
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Dec 24, 2020 10:20
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I enjoyed playing DE as a boring centrist liberal, the game just shits on your useless ideology at every opportunity.
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Ms Adequate posted:thank Catholic God for him.
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Dec 24, 2020 10:34
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Real Cool Catfish posted:Yes! Highly recommend it. Gravy, think I may purchase that as an Xmas present to myself.
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I heard that there's a Games sub-forum where people can discuss things like Disco Elysium... Much more interesting than anime video games is my EGG BASED OBSERVATION: since lockdown started, both Sainsburys and Tesco seem to have started packaging their own-brand eggs in transparent plastic packaging, rather than the traditional cardboard punnet. I have noticed this subtle transition to less eco-friendly packaging in other areas too, and I wonder whether businesses are using sociopolitical turmoil to cover up the fact they're increasing their bottom line by using more plastic packaging. I am sure someone in this thread has a phd in egg packing (wet or otherwise), so I welcome your expertise.
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Dec 24, 2020 10:52
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We go to a farm shop and take egg cartons with us.
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From memory back in the previous stockpiling days the bottleneck of eggs was actually the cartons rather than the eggs themselves so it might have started there.
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Treated myself in the Steam Winter Sale to a bunch of games on my wishlist, decided to download and play the smallest of them while I waited for the others to download. After an hour of playing Superliminal I realise it's the best puzzle game I've played since Portal (which it's definitely, ahem, influenced by in tone and setting if not gameplay) and I also know why it's the first video game I've ever seen with an actual mental health warning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SX8XMwMw6Y Apparently it's quite short (some people say it can be played through in under an hour) but then the original Portal was only a couple of dozen levels - it's worth a tenner of anyone's money, IMO.
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Most supermarkets are actually trying to cut down on plastic waste, they still, of course, produce enormous amounts of it, but they are actually doing things to phase it out, one thing you might have noticed is the move to the reusable veg bags, though that has taken a bit of a hit this year with hygiene concerns meaning some of them have started bagging a lot of stuff, including bread, in solid plastic again.
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Is plastic packaging less eco-friendly than cardboard? They're both worse than bringing your own, but creating new food safe cardboard from pulp is heavier in carbon than molding something out of plastic and I've never seen any proof that the cardboard egg cartons were recycled, they just look like they might be.
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Guavanaut posted:Is plastic packaging less eco-friendly than cardboard? They're both worse than bringing your own, but creating new food safe cardboard from pulp is heavier in carbon than molding something out of plastic and I've never seen any proof that the cardboard egg cartons were recycled, they just look like they might be. Cardboard biodegrades quickly and easily, most plastics rather less so.
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Plastic egg cartons are so you don’t need to open the eggs to see if they’re broken. It’s part of the “don’t touch anything unless it’s going in your trolley” thing. I’m not saying there aren’t ulterior motives, but that’s the reason given in the industry (according to poultry-based gossip in my heavily rural community. Do you know you can get a live turkey for a fiver this year? A fiver!)
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The Perfect Element posted:I heard that there's a Games sub-forum where people can discuss things like Disco Elysium... Sounds ludicrous to be honest.
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I would guess most of the supermarkets near me produce maybe... I dunno say 50 cubic meters of card and plastic waste just from deliveries every day, going by the volume of the cages. When the large wagons do deliveries they drop off the stock and then pick up the cages again with the packaging stuffed in, and they usually shift about 25 cages at the end of the day and in the morning after nightshift, and each cage apparently holds about 1 cubic meter of volume. So enough to entirely fill like, 15 medium sized cars?
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Spuckuk posted:If they can fund a ukmt goon they can fund anything..
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Cardboard biodegrades quickly and easily, most plastics rather less so. In a landfill anything that biodegrades produces methane. Cardboard is only better than plastic environmentally if a) it gets recycled or b) it's literally dumped in the sea.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Cardboard biodegrades quickly and easily, most plastics rather less so.
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I artwork packaging for a living. We're seeing more & more people taken on by clients as 'environmental officers' or somesuch asking will that varnish be eco-friendly etc. Fun thing is places like BAT/Nestle cutting back on using foil, even though it's completely recyclable. Never done an egg carton though.
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Guavanaut posted:That's more an issue with our plastics recycling infrastructure being "dump it on a beach in Malaysia and hope that a crab figures out the Fischer-Tropsch process" though. Creating 1kg of brand new food grade cardboard from wood releases a lot more atmospheric carbon than creating 1kg of new polyethylene from oil, and we now have a wood to PE pathway, although I'm not sure how good the carbon efficiency is. I know nothing, but isn't a further problem with plastic that "recycling" is quite limited, can only be done once into a worse kind of plastic, and can't even be done with all types in the first place? Yes, I am a middle class type who just thinks paper/cardboard feels greener, why do you ask? Goldskull posted:I artwork packaging for a living. Verbing weirds language.
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Goldskull posted:I artwork packaging for a living. We're seeing more & more people taken on by clients as 'environmental officers' or somesuch asking will that varnish be eco-friendly etc. Fun thing is places like BAT/Nestle cutting back on using foil, even though it's completely recyclable. I've noticed some packaging of chocolate, yoghurt etc, where the seals LOOK like foil but aren't so I can't put them in the relevant recycling bag and they have to go in the bag of destiny destined for the landfill (I assume).
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Guavanaut posted:Is plastic packaging less eco-friendly than cardboard? They're both worse than bringing your own, but creating new food safe cardboard from pulp is heavier in carbon than molding something out of plastic and I've never seen any proof that the cardboard egg cartons were recycled, they just look like they might be. In theory, you could make plastic packaging that was lower-impact than cardboard, at least for some cases where weight matters. The problem is the result would be visually identical to regular plastic, and so wouldn’t support a price premium over regular plastic. So in reality all actually existing plastic is produced using the cheapest, and so often dirtiest, methods possible. Whereas the entire cardboard industry is focused on being an eco friendly alternative to plastic. So it does proper forest management, uses green energy etc.
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https://youtu.be/PJnJ8mK3Q3g A good video I stumbled on the other day about plastics recycling and how much of a scam it is. Though he points out even though we only recycle 10% of it. 10% of a really large number is still a LOT, so we shouldn't stop.
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Ewan posted:I feel there's a backstory here (I've been away for a while...) I assume it's a reference to Bellingcat, whose founder is Brown Moses on the forums. They've had funding from some soft power promoting foundation things (which if you squint could be construed as CIA adjacent I guess) and had been accused of toeing heavily to the US line on a bunch of issues. José (i think?) has a bit of a bee in his bonnet about it, but I'm sceptical that they're as spookishly shady as he makes out. They've slandered journalists when criticised iirc and brown moses used to jump into the thread when mentioned and came across pretty badly, so I'm not exactly sympathetic to them though
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So what are our actual options for green packaging, in as much as we can either produce them or offset the effects without crippling long term effects on the world?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I've noticed some packaging of chocolate, yoghurt etc, where the seals LOOK like foil but aren't so I can't put them in the relevant recycling bag and they have to go in the bag of destiny destined for the landfill (I assume). Like a KitKat wrapper? Metallic substrate. Usually silver foil type stuff with a white underprint & colour overprinting that. There's a bunch of things like big bag crisp packaging (think Tyrells/Kettle) where it has a recycle symbol AND a 'put this in the bin' symbol & I don't know what the gently caress they're playing at, not worked on those for ages. I mainly do Tobacco/Pharma/Drinks. @Bobstar: what's weird about the verbiage? I'm an artworker. I artwork things. Usually packaging.
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I'm pretty sure that after I sort the recycling into its 6 constituent bins that it all gets tipped into the back of the same truck
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Niric posted:I assume it's a reference to Bellingcat, whose founder is Brown Moses on the forums. They've had funding from some soft power promoting foundation things (which if you squint could be construed as CIA adjacent I guess) and had been accused of toeing heavily to the US line on a bunch of issues. Brown Moses used to be a bit of a thread hero for the Belligcat stuff and I'm pretty sure was in touch with Tom Watson about child abuse when that was the big issue of the day, vanished for a bit, and when he came back it was like this. I'm really not sure what Belligcat is anymore but in the spirit of not touching the poop I don't care to try and find out.
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