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Cnidaria posted:Are there even "New Atheists" anymore? Just the Amazing Atheist fedora crowd. It all kinda collapsed after Elevatorgate, and intersectionality put nails in the coffin. Progressive atheists realized they had more in common with a lot of moderate religious people and even clergy then they did with the Thunderf33t and Dorkinses, and left them to inherit the ashes.
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Syd Midnight posted:Just the Amazing Atheist fedora crowd. It all kinda collapsed after Elevatorgate, and intersectionality put nails in the coffin. Progressive atheists realized they had more in common with a lot of moderate religious people and even clergy then they did with the Thunderf33t and Dorkinses, and left them to inherit the ashes. Behold, the atheism scholar
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Smythe posted:Behold, the atheism scholar im sure one day you're know something if you work hard at it
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T-man posted:and a fair chunk of the "centerist"/conservative new atheists just got hooked on mra, peterson, and nazi poo poo. And a ton of them are coming around into whatever religion they think is reactionary enough for them
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dawkins' "serious" work is arguing that culture works like genes. what a dumb bitch lol.
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exmarx posted:dawkins' "serious" work is arguing that culture works like genes. what a dumb bitch lol. he should try to figure out the connection between truckin and fuckin
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Memes are the genes of the soul?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1ClbkTeCyw MEMES, SON!
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I attended a richard dawkins lecture at a university and it wasn't too bad, my main take-away was, "Holy poo poo everyone is socially isolated and nobody knows their neighbors anymore, what with the new digital. society (as we know it) is doomed!" and yeah he was pretty much correct. Dude definitely has a penchant for self-bullying behavior however and is remarkably unlikable, lol.
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Where they get it wrong is the social atomisation and isolation predates the internet, which if anything has been a mitigating effect. It already started with the boomers and their nuclear families who see all their neighbours as nuisances at best.
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exmarx posted:dawkins' "serious" work is arguing that culture works like genes. what a dumb bitch lol. No, that was an aside that became overblown. His best work is the selfish gene and the extended phenotype, which have a lot of predictive power and are an interesting insight into evolution and game theory can be used to model it. His politics poo poo is trite and aged terribly. Another example of scientists thinking their expertise in one area is transitive to other fields.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Where they get it wrong is the social atomisation and isolation predates the internet, which if anything has been a mitigating effect. It already started with the boomers and their nuclear families who see all their neighbours as nuisances at best. I agree, I'd say that the internet has simply exposed the existing trends but all I have are my own anecdotes. When I was a kid my mom literally sent me next door with an empty measuring cup to borrow a cup of sugar from a neighbor. I had seen a similar episode on TV so I sort of knew how the script was supposed to play out, and I remember I successfully got an egg or sugar or whatever. I can't loving imagine doing that with any of my apartment neighbors. Perhaps I'm just anti-social but I don't bake a plate of cookies and introduce myself to my new neighbors with a smile and firm handshake when I move in. I mean I'll wave at them and say hi if I happen to see them in the parking lot or on a garbage run but it's pretty casual. We all just sort of accept that we share walls and have to put up with the current circumstances and don't ask favors. That's probably a sad thing and an erosion of the vaunted public house where working class peeps of the neighborhood congregated to increase solidarity. Eh I'm sure it's fine, probably just the way this particular apartment complex operates. palindrome has issued a correction as of 13:27 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Your senses begin to recover from the flashbang. Over the shouting you can barely make out "we're here to rescue you, cant you read? It's right there on the side of t-" before the butt of a rifle knocks you unconscious.
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exmarx posted:https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1342028489529028610 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fww4Md5pKQ8
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A lot of people who loudly identified as atheists 10 years ago were mainly doing it because they hate Muslims and thought they could hide behind a smokescreen of "disliking *all* religions".
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exmachina posted:No, that was an aside that became overblown. His best work is the selfish gene and the extended phenotype, which have a lot of predictive power and are an interesting insight into evolution and game theory can be used to model it. yea, if selfish gene theory doesn't sound very sciencey or groundbreaking now, look up the competing sciencey meaning-of-life stuff from the 70s like gaia theory.
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Judge Dredd Scott posted:read lewontin & gould rather than dawkins imo. lewontin pwns... a career making evolutionary psychologists and race scientists melt down. his review of the selfish gene casually ethers a deece portion of c-spam too lol: 
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exmarx posted:lewontin pwns... a career making evolutionary psychologists and race scientists melt down. his entire deal is good. i was just re-listening to a lecture series he did, even. very good rejection of dawkins (and most epic science ftw) politics in general too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni8kL5TTRtA highly rec if you haven't listened to it before edit: i read the review and lol this paragraph got a good laugh outta me 
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palindrome posted:I agree, I'd say that the internet has simply exposed the existing trends but all I have are my own anecdotes. When I was a kid my mom literally sent me next door with an empty measuring cup to borrow a cup of sugar from a neighbor. I had seen a similar episode on TV so I sort of knew how the script was supposed to play out, and I remember I successfully got an egg or sugar or whatever. I offered to babysit for a current neighbor a few times. They didn't take me up on that offer, but they did day they appreciated it and may take me up on it
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Clowns always want to be playing army but gently caress up the easiest rule: uniformity. They want all the toys and all the fun but no risk of danger or sacrifice.
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I live in a fourplex in Chicago. My upstairs neighbor has a kid who runs around sometimes, but on the other hand hooks me up with free weed products and baby stuff for my newborn. This happened because i hung out on my porch smoking weed before the kid was born (also before quarantine) and we struck up idle conversation. My view is that we don't have enough public space.
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Main problem now is the realities of rent and lack of financial stability means a lot of people are expecting to move every few years- little point knowing your neighbours when you have no idea how long they'll be around. That and boomers kept all their kids inside for fear of satanic pedophiles and moved where there's no sidewalks or corner stores so there's no way for kids to get to know other kids in the neighbourhood.
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exmachina posted:No, that was an aside that became overblown. His best work is the selfish gene and the extended phenotype, which have a lot of predictive power and are an interesting insight into evolution and game theory can be used to model it. That's right. Memes happened to be the idea that took off with the public but have got little academic traction. There's an essay by Mary Midgely where she demolishes memes, not for being wrong but for not being a useful idea. Dawkins tends to be scathing about religions in a selective way. He's never said anything about Anglicism, odd since he comes from a family rooted in it. It's okay to be religious, as long as its tea with the vicar in middle England.
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indigi posted:the priest who taught me Latin in high school would end every class on Friday by telling us not to mix drugs and alcohol and make sure to use condoms. I’m pretty sure he should have been censured jumping in to say that actually, being cross faded owns
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exmarx posted:lewontin pwns... a career making evolutionary psychologists and race scientists melt down. Lol ftw
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Thump! posted:it includes her especially a cop is a cop, even if the cop is wearing gently caress-me platform boots.
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I thought she just was the corpse dissector/autopsyer, are those guys bastards too?
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Junpei posted:I thought she just was the corpse dissector/autopsyer, are those guys bastards too? To the extent that they serve as a rationale for the continued existence of the police as we know them, yes And in her case as copoganda she perpetuates the notion that those people are 1. Competent and 2. Committed to justly solving crimes and not, you know, just doing paperwork, crunching department stats, and disposing of the collateral damage
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just checked she was more general forensics/tech stuff, you know, bullet analysis, fingerprints, 'trace the IP address' Not defending the goth girl just providing info
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Junpei posted:just checked she was more general forensics/tech stuff, you know, bullet analysis, fingerprints, 'trace the IP address' Tech support for pigs is still pig work
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