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Netjets you actually own a share of an airplane though and you are given so many hours per year in it. Uber for airplanes would be every private pilot/owner operating their own part 135 operation but with an app. There are dozens of charter brokers out in the world that would be more than happy to get you to and from a place at your convenience but you'd have to do it the old fashioned way and that isn't disruptive enough.
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hobbesmaster posted:What you’d get following the law is netjets and nothing resembling (current) Uber. I suppose it depends on what you consider the defining characteristic of Uber. Is it price, app-dispatch/convenience, how widespread it is, speed, semi-pro drivers, etc.? You could have an app-dispatched helicopter charter service, there's no legal impediment, but it wouldn't be accessible to anyone for whom helicopter charters are not presently an option, so the utility is limited at best. You can't have "casual" pilots who ride-share part time, and you can't make it cheap; those are limits that can't be dealt with under the current legal framework with aviation technology at the present level, nor (in the case of pilots operating under regulations less stringent than those applying to all commercial air carriers) should we "deal with them". PT6A fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Arson Daily posted:Netjets you actually own a share of an airplane though and you are given so many hours per year in it. Uber for airplanes would be every private pilot/owner operating their own part 135 operation but with an app. There are dozens of charter brokers out in the world that would be more than happy to get you to and from a place at your convenience but you'd have to do it the old fashioned way and that isn't disruptive enough. Yes, exactly so. It's quite possible to make an app that does that, it would even be... absurdly easy, all things considered, it's just that it doesn't really expand the market in any sense because everyone who can afford that service is better served by options that already exist, and no one actually wants to fly airport-to-airport in a piston single anyway.
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PT6A posted:I suppose it depends on what you consider the defining characteristic of Uber. Is it price, app-dispatch/convenience, how widespread it is, speed, semi-pro drivers, etc.? Cutting costs by ignoring labor laws and other regulations is the defining characteristic of Uber. That and hoovering up stupid venture capital funding. It couldn't exist without those two things. [edit] Lyft has less of the second and hence also doesn't have the scale.
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Munin posted:Cutting costs by ignoring labor laws and other regulations is the defining characteristic of Uber. That and hoovering up stupid venture capital funding. It couldn't exist without those two things. I agree in a sense, but how does that affect consumer preference? Price or convenience? That's the more pressing question. Now, competing against Uber, cabs are as cheap or cheaper than Uber here, but people still go for Uber because it's easier.
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What the apps want to do is let people essentially sell tickets on private airplanes that are going from A to B with empty seats. The FAA has some fairly strict (and not always obvious) rules about "holding out" for commercial operations that pretty clearly ban that business model without having a part 135 or 121 certificate, and the regulations have been litigated and interpreted enough over the years that there really aren't any loopholes the FAA hasn't already shot down.
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That's a ridiculous business model even absent FAA rules. There just aren't enough small planes for that, and they're slow and the seat-mile cost isn't competitive.
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This is the most recent "flying Uber" story I've seen https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aviation-volocopter-singapore-idUSKBN1W0ZO
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PT6A posted:I agree in a sense, but how does that affect consumer preference? Price or convenience? That's the more pressing question. I'd say ultimately price and ubiquity? There are other comparable ride share apps but nothing with the venture capital powered price and reach Uber has. I haven't seen cabs being cheaper than Uber. That said I don't use cabs that extensively and the market I'm in is very regulated when it comes to cabs in general.
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simplefish posted:This is the most recent "flying Uber" story I've seen 404?
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aviation-volocopter-idUSKCN26C0SI $1500 an hour is in line with current small helicopter chartering rates, yes? Except that normal helicopters are (relatively) safe, and what amounts to a multirotor drone is pretty unproven. Also, lol: “It will be as common as having a driving licence.”
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Multi-rotors are stupid. Sure, with the aid of flight controlllers, they're smoother in flight, but they're always going to be inefficient compared to helicopters. They can't auto-rotate, so a power failure means a crash. The only real advantage they have is that they're simple to make and maintain. $1500/hr for a 200kg payload with 40km range. A R22 can just about do that for less 1/3 the price, with 5x the range. ImplicitAssembler fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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ET_375 posted:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aviation-volocopter-idUSKCN26C0SI I've take the Part 107 drone exam three times now since it was first available in the fall of 2014. As a drone pilot: if I had to deal with airspace issues on the regular instead of just hitting a few buttons on Airmap, I'd remember it all better...but drat, it's a slog studying for it, each time (it's also why they do it - they know we'll forget...). I suppose taking some kind of refresher course would be easier, but I'm stubborn & cheap. I can't imagine most people passing qualification exams for a UAV, let alone manned. PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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"Your pilot JERRY will be arriving in 15 minutes. Look out for registration N8134Q." Plane Uber sounds terrifying.
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I love the idea of a bunch of extremely low time and/or inexperienced GA pilots now getting a bunch of get there-itis pressure of flying for
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cigaw posted:"Your pilot JERRY will be arriving in 15 minutes. Look out for registration N8134Q." From pilot: "Your airstrip is 15 minutes away, I'll be there in ten." *airplane lands on apron, not worrying about pattern in any way*
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cigaw posted:"Your pilot JERRY will be arriving in 15 minutes. Look out for registration N8134Q." No need to head to the airport, I'll land on your street.
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IMC? No published precision approach for Sycamore Ave? No problem!
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I saw your nearest highway has these runway chevrons on it. I'll land there to pick you up. Saw a Citation take off from them once. If you think about it, the red and white lights of traffic are kinda like PAPI and VASI lights. Just pick the cars that tell you you're on glidepath and you're good.
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Just buy a Harrier with Pepsi Points so your Uber Air earnings are all profit!
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Zero One posted:Just buy a Harrier with Pepsi Points so your Uber Air earnings are all profit! Seems very popular. I think you mean ask the senator to upgrade you to executive style, so you are lounged to the exclusive transformers club.
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 Not insane but i think that it fits here.
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old but still  That's a jerry if I ever seen one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thnddErC66A
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Amazed that an ambulance pilot would be hot dogging, but not as amazed as when I found out the co-pilot survived with minor injuries!
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The Real Amethyst posted:That's a jerry if I ever seen one. yes, that's literally a jerry, in that the overbank-into-stall at extreme low altitude recorded in that video is exactly how he's going to die if he keeps it up. it's even a light twin. like looking into a crystal ball.
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Christ, the copilot survived with minor injuries. Just how?!
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I'll show them all what REAL speed looks like!
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They were flying an air ambulance? 😬
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Charles posted:They were flying an air ambulance? 😬
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That's a photoshop. The Air Force doesn't allow nose art depicting women any more, not even anime waifus.
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You can't even have a heritage wall with pictures of old planes from your squadron with nose art. There was a big thing when I was in where squadrons were being raided and having NSFW images of old planes removed.
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Yeah, I remember reading the rules were strict to the point that even people who had wanted some sort of regulations in the first place said they went way too far.
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they should just make it equal opportunity. every plane with sexy pinup lady nose art must be paired with another one bearing a hunky beefcake guy
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I think you masturbate enough already.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:That's a photoshop. The Air Force doesn't allow nose art depicting women any more, not even anime waifus. JSDF loves it on attack helicopters though. Elsewhere, in unrelated waterbomber news: https://imgur.com/gallery/t1m8w0Z simplefish fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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WATER bomber  fire-bombing is something entirely different
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Sagebrush posted:WATER bomber Quite correct (and firebombing would be related to Japan's military...) Have changed it
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