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paradoxGentleman posted:http://achewood.com/index.php?date=12182009 http://achewood.com/index.php?date=12012016 I mean, I wouldn’t necessarily go that far (I don’t think he went from California to Portland because he’s a secret chud) but Onstad’s definitely always been really contemptuous of vegetarians/vegans and things like foie gras bans, and Pat was way more of an “overbearing tree hugger” liberal caricature (like the kind of person that doesn’t really exist but conservatives love to imagine themselves pissing off and dunking on) before being made gayer and weirder and more of his own thing. IIRC Onstad at one point even acknowledged that he tried to make Pat more of a mishmash of weird hostilities and beliefs in order to make him less “Goode Family”. I think the general sense is that Onstad is some kind of left-kinda sorta libertarian with strong gourmand “let me eat what I want” tendencies in the vein of late 00’s Anthony Bourdain, and who really wasn’t happy with the greenwashing that’s become a big part of urban food scenes. And also, like a lot of white dudes who hit adulthood in the 90s/00s he didn’t always react in the best way to cultural/humor standards changing around him. But also also, I agree with other posters who think he’s mainly going after reality TV and the contemporary culture of exploitation and voyeurism (TLC Shows, etc) that was really exploding at that time
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Pat’s not liberal unless you think being vegan or gay makes you inherently left wing. Like, he also spends a bunch of his time calling into talk radio (usually to say why barbers shouldn’t make much money)
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Pat is an rear end in a top hat. His every trait is taken up to 11 and used to mistreat and abuse those around him because he is an rear end in a top hat. He isn't a representative of any specific "safe to mock" archetype, he is that one guy in every friend group that nobody much likes but is kept around via inertia.
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Yeah Pat has enough conservative views (including his inexplicable grudge with barbers) thatI wasn't really thinking about him. It was mostly that and the face that everyone is white and straight,and if someone Isn't (Envelope, the guy who smoked Mr. Gary's pole, that one robot, Vlad) then that is a huge part of their personality . 0 Tulip posted:In American context, these shows were generally less hated by conservative viewers than other demographics. They're cruelty porn, usually targeting less advantaged demographics. Alright. I guess this changes the context somewhat.
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Glad we talked you off the ledge regarding the political opinions of the artist of a defunct web comic.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Glad we talked you off the ledge regarding the political opinions of the artist of a defunct web comic. Look, I got milkshake ducked once already, I would hate for it to happen again.
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Onstad sucks, but only in a regular way
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LordSaturn posted:Onstad sucks Plus he’s got depression.
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paradoxGentleman posted:http://achewood.com/index.php?date=12182009 I dunno if this was serious or a bit, but as far as cancel Achewood posts go this was the best by a mile.
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Stringent posted:I dunno if this was serious or a bit, but as far as cancel Achewood posts go this was the best by a mile. Ok Stringent
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Ok Comboomer posted:Ok Stringent Ok Comboomer
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LordSaturn posted:Ok Comboomer I wonder what Teodor’s favorite Radiohead album is. Probably The Bends.
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T all singing to some lady with a dermal with his six string. All “faaaade ouuuut.....agaaaaain” with all three Henley buttons undone
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thrilla in vanilla posted:T all singing to some lady with a dermal with his six string. All “faaaade ouuuut.....agaaaaain” with all three Henley buttons undone It’s more perfect than I thought, Jesus
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“Ed O’Brien is an incredible textural guitarist. I know a lot of people thing he just moans his name for backing vocals but he’s not just standing around up there. Anyway, this ones a deep cut, it’s called planet telex”
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If Achewood was today, Téodor would be a male feminist with a tedious podcast
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Achewood has always had some pretty strong classist undertones to its humor (despite the presence of Roast Beef as a counterpoint to that), that isn't a perspective exclusive to American conservatives though.
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Pat is a granola conservative, I am sure there are still many on the west coast. Achewood in general is very middle class/upper middle class guy from the West Coast, but it is also a celebration of the English language, so it's okay.
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Overall I'd say it definitely feels like Onstad is the type of guy who hates phoniness, hence why health food gets mocked so often and the occasional knocks on "Obvious Style Christianity" sort of things
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bony tony posted:If Achewood was today, Téodor would be a male feminist with a tedious podcast I didn’t know Ok Stringent had parachute accounts in the same thread.
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Lurdiak posted:Achewood has always had some pretty strong classist undertones to its humor (despite the presence of Roast Beef as a counterpoint to that), that isn't a perspective exclusive to American conservatives though. This is a vapid post that isn't saying anything other than the poster wants to be taken seriously.
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Stringent posted:This is a vapid post that isn't saying anything other than the poster wants to be taken seriously. He's saying Onstad makes fun of poor people
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It has jokes about poor people/being poor but I never really got a “pointing and laughing” thing from it. I get the sense that Onstad either grew up poor or had a lot of poor friends growing up because a lot of his “beef’s childhood” stuff is spot on.
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"Let's go somewhere Beef can't!" "Yeah, like to the doctor!"
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JethroMcB posted:"Let's go somewhere Beef can't!" That strip is incredibly sympathetic to Beef and is one of those ones that’s like, spot on Poor Kid Experience.
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Yeah no youre not supposed to come out of that strip thinking that the rear end in a top hat kids are right
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Stringent posted:This is a vapid post that isn't saying anything other than the poster wants to be taken seriously. The comic about the cat who's embarrassingly rich who's friends with the cat who's embarrassingly poor has some thoughts about money.
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interesting that only one of those people ever actually acts embarassed
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Lurdiak posted:Achewood has always had some pretty strong classist undertones to its humor (despite the presence of Roast Beef as a counterpoint to that), that isn't a perspective exclusive to American conservatives though. lmao what
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LordSaturn posted:interesting that only one of those people ever actually acts embarassed Ray is more “embarrasses the people around him”
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Oh neat, 50 bucks!
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Stringent posted:This is a vapid post that isn't saying anything other than the poster wants to be taken seriously. Your posts are astoundingly bad.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:It has jokes about poor people/being poor but I never really got a “pointing and laughing” thing from it. I get the sense that Onstad either grew up poor or had a lot of poor friends growing up because a lot of his “beef’s childhood” stuff is spot on. Yup. Calling Achewood sexist I can see, it definitely is a Dudes Rock vibe, but classist is a stretch.
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I have Airwolf. This is not code language. I am flying Airwolf because I own Airwolf.
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Johnny Aztec posted:Oh neat, 50 bucks! a great commentary on how the rich get richer
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Gnoman posted:Pat is an rear end in a top hat. His every trait is taken up to 11 and used to mistreat and abuse those around him because he is an rear end in a top hat. Everyone has one. Mine was a guy named Bones. He named himself Bones and referred to himself in the third person regularly. "Bones needs to borrow your car. We're out of beer and Bones doesn't like that." Yeah, like I'm gonna hand my keys to fuckin' Bones
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