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sexpig by night posted:it rules that people are more willing to look for 'good ones' from actual white supremacist cartoonists than just not have an emotional breakdown that ted rall exists. You keep using that word, I don't think you know what it means.
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I feel like Ted belongs in 1995 and he would like it there and they would like him there too.
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Dec 27, 2020 01:22
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steinrokkan posted:THOSE are the comics that are supposed to show off the immesurable arrogance and narcissism of history's greatest monster, Ted Rall? lol, this htread sure has a fair and balanced view of that guy, surely nothing to do with any underlying issues. Nah, it's the War With Brian comics that show off the immeasurable arrogance and narcissism of history's greatest monster, Well, those and the Roger Ebert strip. Isn't it more like 52 failed lawsuits?
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Dec 27, 2020 01:38
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Can anyone really complain about a "Stain on our legacy" when half the stains are from the person complaining?
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Dec 27, 2020 01:52
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Maybe it gets missed when it gets exported to the USA but most of British absurdist humour is actually very cutting social / political satire - also much of the absurdism has it roots in The Goon Show, which is a wonderfully daft radio serial from the 1950's that heavily influenced British comedy. There's a direct line of DNA from the Goon Show to Monty Python to Not the Nine O'Clock News which is well worth exploring if that kind of thing interests you. Here's one of the most famous excerpts, taken from The Mysterious Punch-Up-The-Conker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tjHlFPTwVk There are official copies of 87 episodes here. I'll recommend The Great Regent's Park Swim, The Man Who Never Was, The Mysterious Punch-Up-The-Conker of course, and The Case of the Missing CD Plates. The Last Smoking Seagoon is also a great episode, but it's not in the BBC free archive so you'll have to look elsewhere.
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Dec 27, 2020 01:58
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Dec 27, 2020 02:19
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Twelve by Pies posted:Nah, it's the War With Brian comics that show off the immeasurable arrogance and narcissism of history's greatest monster, 59 if I'm keeping count right. And no one here has a problem with Ted Rall's mom, it's with Rall himself. Others have said it better but he gradually made the whole tragic thing about himself. I'm not going to say something like that wouldn't affect a person but it did shift from what she must have been experiencing to how it hurt one Ted Rall.
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Dec 27, 2020 02:22
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I feel like Ted belongs in 1995 and he would like it there and they would like him there too. gently caress that, if anybody discovers a way back to 1995 I call dibs.
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Dec 27, 2020 02:33
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Twelve by Pies posted:Nah, it's the War With Brian comics that show off the immeasurable arrogance and narcissism of history's greatest monster, Don't forget his 1984 book. Previous thread ran through that one. Gotta admit though, without Ted Rall we never would have had "She hung up!".
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Dec 27, 2020 03:24
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sexpig by night posted:\ GASP! You mean the person that draws poo poo cartoons for a literal Russian propaganda outfit gets called a russian agent because of the association???? Why I never! Jedit posted:There's a direct line of DNA from the Goon Show to Monty Python to Not the Nine O'Clock News which is well worth exploring if that kind of thing interests you. I did a deep dive exploring the links after finding links from The Goon Show to Douglas Adams some time ago and yes, it's really quite something to see just how The Goon Show either directly begat other famous comedy shows or heavily influenced them. How could it not when Peter Sellars, Spike Milligan and Harry Seacombe were the main Goons? quote:There are official copies of 87 episodes here. I'll recommend The Great Regent's Park Swim, The Man Who Never Was, The Mysterious Punch-Up-The-Conker of course, and The Case of the Missing CD Plates. The Last Smoking Seagoon is also a great episode, but it's not in the BBC free archive so you'll have to look elsewhere. There is one skit about Blackpool Tower that I cant for the life f me remember what episode it was where Neddy Seegoon is stuck on Blackpool Tower without a ticket that kills me every single time.
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Dec 27, 2020 04:00
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An insane mind posted:Terry Pratchett was a goddamn treasure. Bit of a backpull but Pratchett's "lolrandom" was never really random, always coming from a place of sincere love for what he was parodying, be it the dwarves making days-long operas where the only word is "gold" or a running theme of the Discworld having something that's kind of like reality but due to magic getting a cute twist like the Pork Futures Warehouse. 
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Dec 27, 2020 04:20
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Only pretty early and very late Pratchett was particularly lolrandom. Also, for gently caress sakes can we please stop having yet another argument of if Rall is a Russian agent? Please analyze his cartoons on their own lack of merit.
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Dec 27, 2020 04:24
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Taking care of a parent with Alzheimer's must be incredibly difficult and it's natural to have to grapple with complicated emotions, and many people are going to end up doing it at some point. making GBS threads on a guy for opening up about it and telling others what it's like to do that is the gooniest thing ever. Like yeah I know Ted Rall is a KGB spy who attacked are glorious drone commanders because he hates America and apple pie, but even people who were mean to Obama have emotions about tragedies in their lives.
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Dec 27, 2020 04:25
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Agents are GO! posted:gently caress that, if anybody discovers a way back to 1995 I call dibs. The year when Ace Ventura was acceptable to publish as a mainstream thing and got a sequel? loving pass. The 90's were garbage. Ace Ventura really showcases how far we've come in 25 years.
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Dec 27, 2020 05:07
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endlessmonotony posted:The year when Ace Ventura was acceptable to publish as a mainstream thing and got a sequel? Yet I can’t shake this feeling I’ve had for a while now that where we’re going, we won’t need eyes to see.
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Dec 27, 2020 05:12
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The Ace Ventura sequel is better than the original. The villain is a capitalist trying to remove an indigenous people. Ace flips a car, fights an alligator, and astroprojects. Him climbing out the rhinos rear end is up there with being one of the things that sent me into one of the longest laughing fits of my life. no trans panic or anything. As far as im concerned, the second movie is the only movie. anyway enough about all this, bring more obscure comics if you feel like talking about Rall or the 90s 
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Dec 27, 2020 05:18
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Raised By Birds posted:Don't forget his 1984 book. Previous thread ran through that one. Eh, his version of 1984 was incredibly bad, but it doesn't really show him being arrogant and narcissistic outside of him thinking it's really good, but most people think things they make are really good so I can't hold that against him. My War With Brian on the other hand shows Ted Rall replacing a drill bit in shop class to slash open a kid's stomach and has him go "Ha ha I sure got him that time, I'm so awesome!" And oh god, I forgot about The Year of Loving Dangerously where Ted Rall is so handsome and charming he's able to gently caress a different woman every day to avoid homelessness. That is the loving peak of his ego, come to think of it. Isn't that also the one where he says he thought he had AIDS but he didn't tell any of the women he slept with because he wasn't sure if he did?
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Dec 27, 2020 05:18
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Iirc it was around #6 that people started raising their eyebrows. It was so much about him rather than her, and he clearly misunderstood the doctors diagnostic questioning as judgemental. And why wouldn't a clerk tell him that? It was just such an off cartoon with even a little thought. The Artificial Kid fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Dec 27, 2020 05:59
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VitalSigns posted:Taking care of a parent with Alzheimer's must be incredibly difficult and it's natural to have to grapple with complicated emotions, and many people are going to end up doing it at some point. making GBS threads on a guy for opening up about it and telling others what it's like to do that is the gooniest thing ever.
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Dec 27, 2020 06:00
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Yeah, my paternal grandparents have rapidly slid into severe dementia and while I know it's selfish, it's so heart-wrenching to interact with them that I can barely stand it. I sympathize with Rall on that one tbh,
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Dec 27, 2020 06:35
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Its fine if you can't! My brother couldn't. It really sucks to see someone who used to be strong and clever turn into a weak and confused person. It leads to uncharitable thoughts and emotions you'll have to grapple with
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Dec 27, 2020 06:43
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My dad has dementia. I spent the last 3 years shopping for him and doing his errands. And the last 1 year tending to him 3-4 times a week. Now he needs assisted living and he spends pretty much all our interactions cursing me for abandoning him. He also calls other family members and his grand children to curse me out to them as well. And some of it takes root because he sounds so drat convincing and clear at times. I also paid his bills and gave him receipts which he then gave me money for. But now he thinks I robbed him and he told that to my siblings. Siblings who pretty much abandoned him 5 years ago but now showed up because they smell an approaching inheritance. They will 100% sue me after his death for the money I spent on his bills with the accusation that I manipulated their beloved dad. They also destroyed all receipts. I never speak the stuff that Ted Rall puts into his comics but I sure think it a lot. Loved ones with dementia can destroy your soul.
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Dec 27, 2020 06:54
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Honestly the best argument for banning Rall from the thread is just to kill the dumb loving discourse about him that happens on a bi-monthly basis
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Dec 27, 2020 07:27
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Rall talking poo poo about the medical staff is bullshit though. They have enough to deal with and they're doing their best.
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Dec 27, 2020 07:28
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Katt posted:Rall talking poo poo about the medical staff is bullshit though. They have enough to deal with and they're doing their best.
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endlessmonotony posted:The year when Ace Ventura was acceptable to publish as a mainstream thing and got a sequel? While we are left with the legacy of the brilliant and doomed artists of the day, consider those things far harder to archive: the bizarre soda experiments of the day. Surge was the most famous, but it was also the era of insane poo poo like Orbitz. 1995 was the year I started high school, and, for that first year, there was a Fruitopia machine by the entrance to the cafeteria. I would always get some strawberry-kiwi concoction that tasted like metallic, vaguely fruit-flavored industrial runoff. God, how I miss it. All these flavors are lost, like tears in the rain. Time to diet Crystal Pepsi.
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After The War posted:While we are left with the legacy of the brilliant and doomed artists of the day, consider those things far harder to archive: the bizarre soda experiments of the day. Surge was the most famous, but it was also the era of insane poo poo like Orbitz. 1995 was the year I started high school, and, for that first year, there was a Fruitopia machine by the entrance to the cafeteria. I would always get some strawberry-kiwi concoction that tasted like metallic, vaguely fruit-flavored industrial runoff. God, how I miss it. I would love to taste OK Soda one last time before I die, even though I know logically that it was just 1/2 coke and 1/2 orange soda.
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Tibalt posted:What pissed me off last time that comic was posted was the kroger's cashier, because I've been on the other side of that conversation. Hey buddy, ever consider that the retail worker who knows you and more importantly knows who your mother is might be telling you something you need to know because they think you should know? I forgot that comic. Do you have a link to it?
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Dec 27, 2020 08:05
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Katt posted:I forgot that comic. Do you have a link to it?  There's absolutely no reflection on Rall's part about why anyone is telling him these things about his mother's health, his mind jumps directly to 'I feel embarrassed, so therefore they must be trying to shame me.'
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Dec 27, 2020 08:16
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Tibalt posted:Sorry, yeah, context. Yeah that's a lovely comic. He even gave the cashier furrowed brows (glasses?) when she just shows concern for him and his mom As for the nurse. Dealing with old people is dealing with poop. That probably wasn't the third or the 5th time that day. Nurses are battle hardened to this stuff and Rall is the one disgusted.
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Dec 27, 2020 08:24
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I know Todrick Rall sucks, I just think some of you all are too hard on him. I felt bad for him even when he was "making it all about himself". I just thought the whole situation was loving sad and reading people's posts where they're lovely about it doesn't make me feel angry, or even depressed, it just seems gross. What happened to him really sucked. It's tough for a human to go through that. If you want someone to lose their loved ones to dementia because you don't like their drawings then be up front about that and own it. Don't weasel out of it or anything.
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Dec 27, 2020 09:05
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His politics are underdeveloped and he expresses lovely sentiments sometimes. I don’t see anything to criticize in those comics about his mother.
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Dec 27, 2020 09:10
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I still kind of hope the McCoys boys get hit by a train. A train labeled "SOCIALISM" for some reason.
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Dec 27, 2020 09:12
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Where do I get train driving instructions? Choo Choo motheerfuckers!
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If I got back to 1995 I would buy boxes upon boxes of Starburst Fruit Twists and Planter's Cheese Balls.Tibalt posted:Sorry, yeah, context. I hate that he drew the doctor with an angry looking face in the second panel, when that's a legitimate followup question. He's not trying to shame her, he's trying to help her. Shaming her would be "People can't live that long, you can't possibly be that old!" Antifa Turkeesian posted:His politics are underdeveloped and he expresses lovely sentiments sometimes. I don’t see anything to criticize in those comics about his mother. I would criticize his portrayal of the health care workers, but that's about it. I agree that people are maybe a little too harsh about those comics about his mother, like yeah he's talking about how it makes him feel because they're biographical comics. He's made much, much worse comics, like "That teacher who tried to save her students from a tornado must have been a big ol' fatty fat fatass!" or "Letting gays get married is an evil plot to turn them all straight."
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Using the mother comics as a representative segment of Ted Rall's output is silly, because he has hundreds, if not thousands of other comics that are leftist rhetoric presented in insufferable, smug and often factually incorrect ways. Those comics are a complete shift from his normal output and should be judged separate from the rest of what he's made, alongside the other non-political and more personal comics he's made (for better or worse). It's really, really loving dumb to try and draw paragraphs of discourse about Rall from a project that has nothing to do with the comics and writings that have made up 99% of his output, and 99% of our criticisms of him.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:There is one skit about Blackpool Tower that I cant for the life f me remember what episode it was where Neddy Seegoon is stuck on Blackpool Tower without a ticket that kills me every single time. The Thing on the Mountain. It's not in the archive, unfortunately, but it's available on CD.
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Dec 27, 2020 10:36
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Please stop having this drawn out Rall discussion:(
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DarklyDreaming posted:Can anyone really complain about a "Stain on our legacy" when half the stains are from the person complaining? Seems like a fairly standard page from their playbook. I mean, poo poo, Stantis has been doing it nonstop for the past four years. "Ignore the fact that we not only tacitly endorsed everything Trump says and does and also benefitted greatly from doing so, we actually were against him the entire time. No True Republican actually liked him. Please disregard absolutely all evidence to the contrary."
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The way I see Rall, well. Rall is the type of person who thinks he's very deep and contemplative and intellectual, but he's actually pretty shallow and self-centered. He's not good at self-analysis. He cannot conceive of other people having rich internal lives in which he is not the most important thing. In his mind, he's the protagonist of reality, and he doesn't have the ability or will to think about that objectively, or as objective as we can ever get about ourselves. His comics about his mother are. Enlightening? I think it's as close to truly self-reflective as he's gotten. He was grieving, publicly, through a difficult and tragic episode. I have a lot of sympathy for him. At the same time, he keeps trying to assign blame for the situation, mostly on health care workers who are just trying to do their job, or the clerk at Kroger who is trying to let him know that something is wrong and his mom needs help. In only a few strips we have multiple instances of "why would you tell me these terrible things about my mother? You must be trying to hurt me, directly or through her." He thinks he's being deep. He's not. But he is showing just how broken a human being he is. It seems that his relationship with his mother was tense. He calls his childhood abusive. He got angry with his mom for her weakness when her mind started slipping, not sympathetic. He's passive aggressive with her and resentful towards her for ignoring him or not reading his cartoons in the newspaper. He doesn't examine why he feels these things. He offers them up as though they make perfect sense. What I'm saying is that Rall needs therapy.
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