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Xarbala posted:Yeah if you say Ace Attorney's a visual novel, then yeah I could see it. But if you think DE is a visual novel that's like saying D&D 4e is WoW. It's a lot like the walking simulator argument of yore, obviously if you don't actively bash goblins and upgrade your gear then it must be labeled something else than a video game. I remember when Telltale's The Walking Dead first came out and was hailed by some as "the next evolution of visual novels" just for being a super classic adventure game but with a heavier focus on the characters and dialogue.
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The only games allowed to use RTWP are FTL and tower defence games
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:The only games allowed to use RTWP are FTL and tower defence games Nah, RTWP in RPGs is fine.
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Me during the halfway points of Yakuza 7's cutscenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_nPp64OrBc
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I know Steam Link is kinda dead these days but is there any way to stream Xbox Game Pass for PC games over Steam Link through steam and have it use steam's native DS4 controller support? Can you add non-steam games and have it work like that?
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If you can get it in your library Steam will let you run the controller emulation and stream it. Whether it will actually stream properly is another question though.
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Paradox Games make the best use of RTWP
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Hub Cat posted:If you can get it in your library Steam will let you run the controller emulation and stream it. Whether it will actually stream properly is another question though. It's been a pain in the rear end to get XBGP games to get into Steam library. I think I have to use UWPHook and I'm not sure it's the same but I'll try i guess. I have my Steam Link in storage and haven't touched it in like 4 years, but we;re getting an LG 55 CX TV so I'd like to start using that and playing stuff together in the living room, and preferrably at 4K. Perhaps a better question, since Steam Link is pretty old and quite discarded at this point, what's the best ways of streaming games from my PC (be it steam or xbox game pass) and controlling it with either a DS4/Switch Pro in another room? I'm sort of checking out this Moonlight thing but not sure exactly how it works. Is that the best way to do these things now? or should I just invest in one of those Nvidia Shield Streaming devices? unfortunately a really really long HDMI cable + usb cable with a bluetooth dongle is out of the question. Xaris fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Dec 27, 2020 11:32
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Xaris posted:It's been a pain in the rear end to get XBGP games to get into Steam library. I think I have to use UWPHook and I'm not sure it's the same but I'll try i guess. I have my Steam Link in storage and haven't touched it in like 4 years, but we;re getting an LG 55 CX TV so I'd like to start using that and playing stuff together in the living room, and preferrably at 4K. Do you have the option of 10Gbit ethernet? That would be the closest to HDMI data rates at UHD but less of an issue for larger distances.
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How's the Avengers game if I don't give a poo poo about a game-as-a-service or getting a thousand hours out of it (lol that they ever thought that was possible). Is there at least a cute singleplayer story in there?
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haldolium posted:Do you have the option of 10Gbit ethernet? That would be the closest to HDMI data rates at UHD but less of an issue for larger distances. I possibly could yeah. My Router+TV sits together on a case in the living room and I have an ethernet cable I poked through the wall that snakes into the bedroom and along the baseboard to my PC/NAS/Printer area (i have a switch here, its fairly old so I'd have to upgrade that). Not sure if my router (SmartRG SR515) has 10GB support though (looks like only 10/100Base T) but it would still have to then go somewhere to a TV-linked-device with controller connection so I could couch-control it. This is a dumb question, but I have CAT6 ethernet cables, that means its 10GBE right? It looks like the only thing I may have to replace is my router + lan switch which are just 10/100 Xaris fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Pierson posted:How's the Avengers game if I don't give a poo poo about a game-as-a-service or getting a thousand hours out of it (lol that they ever thought that was possible). Is there at least a cute singleplayer story in there? It's alright. If you're a fan of Ms Marvel, it's apparently quite good. It does some good Hulk stuff too. Not worth the price IMHO, but not a terrible game.
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Xaris posted:It's been a pain in the rear end to get XBGP games to get into Steam library. I think I have to use UWPHook and I'm not sure it's the same but I'll try i guess. I have my Steam Link in storage and haven't touched it in like 4 years, but we;re getting an LG 55 CX TV so I'd like to start using that and playing stuff together in the living room, and preferrably at 4K. Alright I was able to get Gamepass games in my Steam library with Glosc and from there they ran on my Shield through the Steam Link app, should work on the Link but I don't really feel like pulling mine out of storage to check.
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Hub Cat posted:Alright I was able to get Gamepass games in my Steam library with Glosc and from there they ran on my Shield through the Steam Link app, should work on the Link but I don't really feel like pulling mine out of storage to check. I was able to get Game Pass games into Steam Library using UWPHook but Steam's native controller support didn't work in-game for some reason. Had to go back to DS4Windows to at least get that part working. I'll tryout GLOSC and I'll try out the Steam Link tomorrow and see if it can pull it up. Thanks! Xaris fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Dec 27, 2020 12:34
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:It's alright. If you're a fan of Ms Marvel, it's apparently quite good. It does some good Hulk stuff too. Not worth the price IMHO, but not a terrible game.
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Been a spell since I've played Dragon's Dogma. Is Hard Mode a bad idea or nah?
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Oh make sure you turn off Enable Overlay in Glosc, it doesn't work at all with XGP games and breaks everything. The whole thing is kind of janky through Steam Link so it feels like the real pro move is running it through Moonlight which works basically flawlessly except for exiting games. You have to have an Nvidia card and be willing to put up with Geforce Experience though. Doesn't look too hard to get on the Steam Link.
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Black Griffon posted:Been a spell since I've played Dragon's Dogma. Is Hard Mode a bad idea or nah?
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SirSamVimes posted:Nah, RTWP in RPGs is fine. Sure, but turn-based is much better and we can leave RTWP to mods
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SirSamVimes posted:Nah, RTWP in RPGs is fine. It's not bad per se, but most games fail at making what is happening on screen easily legible. What spell is that mage casting? What does it do? When will it be cast? Who are they targeting? Do I have time to counter it if my fighter is standing over here? Why is my fighter walking over there instead of where I told him to go? Who killed my rogue? Why am I uninstalling this game?
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I don’t have any of those issues. I do have an issue with combat taking for-loving-ever in turn based RPGs.
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That's really more of a function of the encounter design itself having too much filler. Every turn in D:OS2 feels impactful because there are almost no trash fights and any one of your party members can light up the entire screen in flames.
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Pierson posted:How's the Avengers game if I don't give a poo poo about a game-as-a-service or getting a thousand hours out of it (lol that they ever thought that was possible). Is there at least a cute singleplayer story in there? The general verdict I've seen is that the campaign is good and OK long, but the really cool abilities aren't unlocked until late in the game, so you'll have to deal with Hulk and friends being kinda gimped until then. Trickyblackjack posted:It's not bad per se, but most games fail at making what is happening on screen easily legible. What spell is that mage casting? What does it do? When will it be cast? Who are they targeting? Do I have time to counter it if my fighter is standing over here? Why is my fighter walking over there instead of where I told him to go? Who killed my rogue? Why am I uninstalling this game? The lack of visual feedback in PoE just infuriated me. 15+ status effects but only a couple had a visual effect. Had to refer to the wiki to figure out how buffs and equipment bonuses stacked (or didn't stack) because the game didn't explain it. I think there is space for a really good rtwp rpg, but it has to be one where the game embraces the on-screen chaos. Fine-tune the AI, make effects clearly visible, up the speed and make it a little easier. Like, I love the old Infinity Engine games and still play them, but I have no desire to play new games that just retread their gameplay. Hell IE games are still superior in some ways - BG2 for example eschews repetitive fights entirely. The few trash fights that are present mix up the enemy composition/battlefield so they are all unique in some way. Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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exquisite tea posted:That's really more of a function of the encounter design itself having too much filler. Every turn in D:OS2 feels impactful because there are almost no trash fights and any one of your party members can light up the entire screen in flames. Impactful... to my schedule!
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Final Fantasy 7 Remake, weirdly enough, had a great complex and engaging RTWP battle system whose fundamentals could translate very well into even isometric CRPGs.
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Since this is something Kingmaker actually does incredibly well, the obvious answer to RTwP vs TB is "do both and have a hotkey to toggle between them seamlessly" Like I cannot overstate how awesome that implementation is. I can real time it for trash fights and swap over to tb for the tougher encounters that I want more control over. It's legit an awesome system.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:The only games allowed to use RTWP are FTL and tower defence games SUPERHOT
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Black Griffon posted:Been a spell since I've played Dragon's Dogma. Is Hard Mode a bad idea or nah?
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Mass Effect is RTwP the problem is that either RTwP RPGs have creaky combat systems inherited from D&D (almost 50 years old at this point) and/or are conceptually more suited for turn-based anyway (small squads of irreplaceable characters with loads of different abilities and statuses)
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Mass Effect 1 & 2 were good RTWP games. Turn based doesn't work well with low level d&d style systems where your party can't hit a barn door with a tin sword from 3 feet away. Solasta's been annoying for this when in theory fighting a bunch of lizard men who are crawling up the walls should be fun and interesting. Choose 'attack', dice roll animation, another miss, repeat for 5 other party members.
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I’ve never played Dragons Dogma but my brother goes on about it being so good. Is it too old to enjoy for the first time? Thinking about getting it on PC or Switch to make it portable.
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Rolo posted:I’ve never played Dragons Dogma but my brother goes on about it being so good. Is it too old to enjoy for the first time? Thinking about getting it on PC or Switch to make it portable.
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Rolo posted:I’ve never played Dragons Dogma but my brother goes on about it being so good. Is it too old to enjoy for the first time? It is a bonkers experience but it holds up great. Just don't start as a mage IMO cause they feel weak and slow to play, and if you wanna play a magic user you can just switch to one of the hybrid magic classes or sorcerer when you get to the city -- sorcerer also feels weak and slow to play but has the upside of casting the most ridiculously over the top spells in any game if you can get your like 20 second cast time off.
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exquisite tea posted:Every turn in D:OS2 feels impactful because there are almost no trash fights Is this true? I couldn't finish D:OS1 because of all the goddamn trash fights taking forever and it was enough to sour me on the sequel preemptively.
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Thanks for the detailed answers everyone! Much appreciated.Pennfalath posted:Dark Souls 2 dmboogie posted:how about dark souls? 2 and 3 in particular have special movesets ("power stances") for when you're dual wielding appropriate stuff I see. However, I'm the type who plays in series, rather than straight jumping to 2. Can you recommend a suitable/super-easy build for DS1 which at least "prepares" me for the dual-wielding DS2 experience please? Gay Rat Wedding posted:the vermintide games have a few dual weapons. the controls are the same as other weapons though, they aren't controlled independently Unfortunately it's a multiplayer-based game, which is not really my cup of tea, sorry. exquisite tea posted:Ever roll a Frenzy Barb in D3? Actually, I do have a level 70 Barb at the moment. However, it ended up 2-handed because it's a lot harder to find 2 great legendary. I do enjoy the game though, especially the levelling experience funnily enough. Quill posted:A friend of mine has been deep into the PC release of Monster Hunter for awhile now. Apparently there's a nice collection of weapon types that all feel and play different. It can be real grindy, but it's loot-progression, so that comes with the territory. Once upon a time ago, I've tried really hard to get into Monster Hunter, but just totally bounced off it. It may be caused by incorrect choice of weapon though. Going to try Dual Blades later.' For Honor seems have a lot of bad reviews and all, especially for new players trying to start now. Oh hell yeah, Grim Dawn is pretty awesome as well. I've finished the game multiple times by now. Zereth posted:Some of the melee weapons in Shadow Warrior 2 are dual wielding. It's not mix and match though, it's one weapon that is two swords. Yeah I've played this one as well, good recommendation. Katreus posted:You dual wield scythes as your main weapon in Darksiders 2. I don't really enjoy the gameplay unfortunately.
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exquisite tea posted:Final Fantasy 7 Remake, weirdly enough, had a great complex and engaging RTWP battle system whose fundamentals could translate very well into even isometric CRPGs.
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owl_pellet posted:Is this true? I couldn't finish D:OS1 because of all the goddamn trash fights taking forever and it was enough to sour me on the sequel preemptively. Yes, D:OS2 has extremely good encounter design. Tons of memorable and cool fights. Only downside is that the first 2~3 levels can be a bit confusing/hard, but afterwards it's pretty much all very well balanced.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:
I was looking forward to Divinity: Fallen Heroes more than for Baldur's Gate 3. Shame it is in limbo. 
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ZearothK posted:I was looking forward to Divinity: Fallen Heroes more than for Baldur's Gate 3. Shame it is in limbo. Congrats to Larian for winning the BG3 IP but also boo Larian, I wanted Divinity XCOM more.
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There's no problem with RTWP per se - he problem is specifically with games that use this system to simulate a RPG ruleset based specifically on sequential turns. Then it turns into garbage fire.
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