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Lady Militant posted:i'm skinny and clean shaven tyvm
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Lady Militant posted:i'm skinny and clean shaven tyvm
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THS posted:stalin did a lot of bad stuff but do you think you would have done a better job given the circumstances 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I submit my hoi4 USSR playthroughs as evidence that I could in fact win ww2 while not purging and fighting a civil war
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namesake posted:Ah the cowards ratio. Mao wrote an entire book detailing the 30 percent.
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enjoyed this interview with michael roberts. its nice to see anybody who has read Capital Vol 3 the parts where he expounds on the tendency of the rate of value to fall being built into capitalism etc are real good. spends a 3rd of the interview telling people to read engels, too lol
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Stalin was wrong to stop at the Elbe realistically a wwiii in 1945 would result in no one winning. Literally everyone in that conflict was running on fumes at that point. Even the USA was experiencing some manpower issues at that point (which would have gotten worse since a war with the soviets at that point would probably embolden the militarists in japan to try and hold out for an invasion).
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T-man posted:what happened to my homeless friends star cowardice by the forum cops merry ded moroz day to my fellow socialist theorists here
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Ardennes posted:Xi is still a dengist, with everything that comes with it, but at the same time, the post-Deng Chinese state relates to its capitalists in a different fashion than a traditional neoliberal state. I could see China moving its own syncretic direction where a Leninist state structure is mixed with elements of social democracy, fordism, and neoliberalism together to get the result it wants (GDP growth and eventually becoming the prime reserve currency). I mean, it's interesting -- I actually had like a paragraph or two written up that I deleted before posting that last bit. I spent a year in college studying abroad in China and I tried to mostly take political science/history classes, but it was undergrad so not the deepest poo poo, and I was still very much a Jon Stewart fan liberal at that point, so take all this with that perspective. But, the thing that really struck me was how much the idea that China was the victim of Western imperialism for like 200 years was struck into people's brains. Like, even little kids, when they first start hearing about history, it's about China was exploited during the Opium Wars, and the Foreign Concessions, and then WWII, etc. And it's not wrong at all, my point is just that this is absolutely the fundamental thing about their own history that comes first. Like, in the US, from like day 1, American kids are taught that we (the implication that white europeans are the protagonists of American history) wanted liberty so bad we came to this continent, and then fought a war for even more liberty. It's like engineered to be fundamental. In China, I think there's a real theme of "we won't let them kick us around ever again" that relates strongly to this. I think a big part of the focus on Tibet, and Xinjiang, and Inner Mongolia (people don't talk about this a ton here, but ethnic Mongolians have been in a very similar boat to Tibetans and Uyghurs for a long time), and more recently the South China Sea has to do with the view that these are buffer zones or marches that need to be maintained so that potential adversaries aren't right on "our doorstep," (meaning the main Chinese population centers. Now, the acceptable language here is definitely "anti-imperialism," but I think it's a little different than what we usually mean by anti-imperialism in the US/at least anglo-sphere. It's more like, "protecting ourselves from ever being a victim of imperialism again." And for the record, I don't think this is wrong. Seeing even what "Progressives" in the US like Matt Stoller and Matt Yglesias say about China, let alone avowed conservatives in either party, have to say about China I don't blame anyone for being concerned.
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Stairmaster posted:realistically a wwiii in 1945 would result in no one winning. Literally everyone in that conflict was running on fumes at that point. Even the USA was experiencing some manpower issues at that point (which would have gotten worse since a war with the soviets at that point would probably embolden the militarists in japan to try and hold out for an invasion). I’m pretty sure that the Americans would have just atom bombed everyone into oblivion, at that point. Edit: assuming they could manufacture the weapons fast enough before the Soviets could steal the secret and make their own.
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dex_sda posted:cowardice by the forum cops where’s xmas Lenin merry Christmas comrades
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unbutthurtable posted:I mean, it's interesting -- I actually had like a paragraph or two written up that I deleted before posting that last bit. I spent a year in college studying abroad in China and I tried to mostly take political science/history classes, but it was undergrad so not the deepest poo poo, and I was still very much a Jon Stewart fan liberal at that point, so take all this with that perspective. But, the thing that really struck me was how much the idea that China was the victim of Western imperialism for like 200 years was struck into people's brains. Like, even little kids, when they first start hearing about history, it's about China was exploited during the Opium Wars, and the Foreign Concessions, and then WWII, etc. And it's not wrong at all, my point is just that this is absolutely the fundamental thing about their own history that comes first. Like, in the US, from like day 1, American kids are taught that we (the implication that white europeans are the protagonists of American history) wanted liberty so bad we came to this continent, and then fought a war for even more liberty. It's like engineered to be fundamental. and to be honest- gently caress yeah. most of my criticisms of china are fundamentally behaviors shaped by the idea of a nation-state and all the baggage that comes with it, and reflect a similar principle- no one should be treated the way we treated china (and many other people). and if that takes the form of those people being able to kick our assess just as hard, all the better. i don't want the decision to treat people like human beings in our hands or anyone else's. i don't want there to be a choice on that level.
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indigi posted:China is much like the Star Wars prequels a lot like the OT; some solid action with a lot of stuff that most people can only love if they see it before age 14, with 3-4 solid gold scenes per film? e: i may be unusual in that i love all the hammy acting in jedi/sith faceoffs; gently caress lightsabers, the force is channeled by chewing the scenery e2: to keep this marxist, did you know that in some drafts, lucas called it "the force of others'? Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Dec 25, 2020 |
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namesake posted:Ah the cowards ratio. I agree that you need to say what the 30% wrong is, and people definitely do use it without saying that which is bad - but Mao and the CCP of the time were pretty clear on Stalin's errors: quote:In his way of thinking, Stalin departed from dialectical materialism and fell into metaphysics and subjectivism on certain questions and consequently he was sometimes divorced from reality and from the masses. In struggles inside as well as outside the Party, on certain occasions and on certain questions he confused two types of contradictions which are different in nature, contradictions between ourselves and the enemy and contradictions among the people, and also confused the different methods needed in handling them. In the work led by Stalin of suppressing the counter-revolution, many counter-revolutionaries deserving punishment were duly punished, but at the same time there were innocent people who were wrongly convicted; and in 1937 and 1938 there occurred the error of enlarging the scope of the suppression of counter-revolutionaries. In the matter of Party and government organization, he did not fully apply proletarian democratic centralism and, to some extent, violated it. In handling relations with fraternal Parties and countries, he made some mistakes. He also gave some bad counsel in the international communist movement. These mistakes caused some losses to the Soviet Union and the international communist movement.
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T-man posted:china is the best capitalist imperial state in the world
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unbutthurtable posted:I mean, it's interesting -- I actually had like a paragraph or two written up that I deleted before posting that last bit. I spent a year in college studying abroad in China and I tried to mostly take political science/history classes, but it was undergrad so not the deepest poo poo, and I was still very much a Jon Stewart fan liberal at that point, so take all this with that perspective. But, the thing that really struck me was how much the idea that China was the victim of Western imperialism for like 200 years was struck into people's brains. Like, even little kids, when they first start hearing about history, it's about China was exploited during the Opium Wars, and the Foreign Concessions, and then WWII, etc. And it's not wrong at all, my point is just that this is absolutely the fundamental thing about their own history that comes first. Like, in the US, from like day 1, American kids are taught that we (the implication that white europeans are the protagonists of American history) wanted liberty so bad we came to this continent, and then fought a war for even more liberty. It's like engineered to be fundamental. I've heard some decent critiques of the anti-imperialist narrative that China upholds, namely that it was in decline as early as 1750 and that the country was beset by anti-Qing movements that would have existed even in the absence of Western imperialism (the Taipings for example). Although I've also seen apologists make that critique in order to treat the Western exploitation of China like some kind of footnote, which is definitely is not
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Judge Dredd Scott posted:enjoyed this interview with michael roberts. its nice to see anybody who has read Capital Vol 3 Hey man, it's Christmas.
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Yossarian-22 posted:I've heard some decent critiques of the anti-imperialist narrative that China upholds, namely that it was in decline as early as 1750 and that the country was beset by anti-Qing movements that would have existed even in the absence of Western imperialism (the Taipings for example). Although I've also seen apologists make that critique in order to treat the Western exploitation of China like some kind of footnote, which is definitely is not I think this is just one of those things where it's like...even if it's true that imperial china was in decline that early, which it probably was at least in relative terms, that still just leads you down a chain of hypotheticals. Which, I mean, can be a fine brain experiment or whatever, but we can't just treated them as sure things.
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e-dt posted:I agree that you need to say what the 30% wrong is, and people definitely do use it without saying that which is bad - but Mao and the CCP of the time were pretty clear on Stalin's errors: oops! all wreckers
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Stalin was wrong to stop at the Elbe Shouldn't have ordered zhukov to stop advancing before Yalta
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okay, I feel .ike I'm going insane the succ thread is gaslighting me or something right?
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Malleum posted:the succ zone is doing a gaslighting, a racism, and a no-growth not sure if you're being sarcastic, but also what is the last one?
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Succ Zone is the part of the forums where people have super leftist values, but cannot seem to understand their own right wing tendencies / be vile to people / understand they're just on a forum which isn't really effective organizing work. Essentially, theres no introspection about how they carry themselves.
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ButterSkeleton posted:Succ Zone is the part of the forums where people have super leftist values, but cannot seem to understand their own right wing tendencies / be vile to people / understand they're just on a forum which isn't really effective organizing work. unfortunately not being self critical and being a communist arent really compatible
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Hodgepodge posted:okay, I feel .ike I'm going insane no, you're just an idiot
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Why do you even bother paying attention to the succ zone? Just do constant poo poo and runs like I do there.
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NaanViolence posted:Why do you even bother paying attention to the succ zone? Just do constant poo poo and runs like I do there. I was mostly shifting back there during the election and since because the dems are relevant again (despite their best efforts). I guess the treason of the coward Bernie Sanders was hard on the thread.
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Hodgepodge posted:unfortunately not being self critical and being a communist arent really compatible 
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