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The thing that kind of impresses me is that in none of the photos of the scene have I seen anything that resembles any part of an RV - engine block, frame, axles, etc. You'd think a blast big enough to obliterate a vehicle like that would leave a pretty sizable crater but instead it seems like it just sort of vaporized.
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*slaps roof of RV* this bad boy can fit so much loving nitrate fertilizer and diesel in it
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Dec 27, 2020 05:51
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Porfiriato posted:The thing that kind of impresses me is that in none of the photos of the scene have I seen anything that resembles any part of an RV - engine block, frame, axles, etc. You'd think a blast big enough to obliterate a vehicle like that would leave a pretty sizable crater but instead it seems like it just sort of vaporized. Not like RVs are super strong, structurally.
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Dec 27, 2020 05:57
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CommieGIR posted:Not like RVs are super strong, structurally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ5Xet7qPdw
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Dec 27, 2020 05:59
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From Local News 4 (NBC affiliate) in Nashville: https://twitter.com/JFinleyreports/status/1343038998848090112
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Dec 27, 2020 06:11
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facialimpediment posted:From Local News 4 (NBC affiliate) in Nashville: Yup, he went after the ATT building, called it.
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Dec 27, 2020 06:17
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So.... This guy was a boomer?
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Dec 27, 2020 06:23
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:So.... This guy was a boomer? His camper definitely was.
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Dec 27, 2020 06:55
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Midjack posted:His camper definitely was. 
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Dec 27, 2020 07:51
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facialimpediment posted:From Local News 4 (NBC affiliate) in Nashville: I loving knew it.
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Dec 27, 2020 08:11
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Only a boomer would use an rvied
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Dec 27, 2020 10:13
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facialimpediment posted:From Local News 4 (NBC affiliate) in Nashville: ded posted:My first thought as soon as I read it was next to an AT&T building was 5g covidiots. 
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Dec 27, 2020 12:44
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get this man a job in his local fusion center.
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Dec 27, 2020 13:18
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Called it
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Dec 27, 2020 13:22
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loving 5G spying conspiracy bullshit 
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Dec 27, 2020 14:06
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Didn't Donny hop on the 5g conspiracy bandwagon after making a lot of noise about how great it was
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Dec 27, 2020 14:19
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Milo and POTUS posted:Didn't Donny hop on the 5g conspiracy bandwagon after making a lot of noise about how great it was Not that I ever saw but they drummed up a lot of poo poo about it being a war to win vs China or some other poo poo. Looks like its a real turd right now though: https://www.publicknowledge.org/blog/the-trump-administration-goes-to-war-on-5g-with-itself/
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Dec 27, 2020 14:25
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Discussion Quorum posted:Lots of people on Twitter trying to put a political lens on it but it feels like the work of a weirdo with weirdo grievances. We'll see, though. Just curious, do you still think this isnt politically motivated? Harry Potter on Ice fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Dec 27, 2020 15:25
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Harry Potter on Ice posted:Just curious, do you still think this isnt politically motivated? If this is a play at "did that new information change your opinion, stupid? ", I guess my response would be a) you are mistaken as to my opinion and b) do we actually have new information beyond maybe it was 5G paranoia? Because no, I will not be surprised if it turns out to be a right wing nut mad about voting machines or Bill Gates and population control.I just thought, and still think, that yesterday was too soon to be doing victory laps on Twitter that it must be ONE OF THEM when there are plenty of examples of wackos doing wacko poo poo because wackos do wacko poo poo.  https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1342984709723316225?s=19
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Porfiriato posted:The thing that kind of impresses me is that in none of the photos of the scene have I seen anything that resembles any part of an RV - engine block, frame, axles, etc. You'd think a blast big enough to obliterate a vehicle like that would leave a pretty sizable crater but instead it seems like it just sort of vaporized. So if human remains were detected, are we talking about cocaine on a Benjamin levels of traces?
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Dec 27, 2020 16:48
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https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1342986545272401920?s=20 I grew up in Pinellas county and went to middle school and played little league baseball with Charles. I remembered he committed suicide but somehow it escaped that he did it by flying a plane into a building.
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Dec 27, 2020 16:48
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Wasn't there some real screwy poo poo with the anthrax too
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Dec 27, 2020 17:24
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Reminder that we still don't really know poo poo about the motives of the dude who collected a bunch of guns and then shot dozens of people to death in Vegas from a hotel room.
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Dec 27, 2020 17:53
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Milo and POTUS posted:Wasn't there some real screwy poo poo with the anthrax too Yes, the samples were from our "diagnostic" stock. When they were analyzed, it scared the dogshit out of those checking it out because the spores were extremely fine and took to air readily, and suggested that if it had come from "trrists," they had a far better developed bioweapons capability than we'd imagined. As I recall, they ultimately theorized a disaffected scientist was behind the attacks who had committed suicide before he could be charged: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins Suicide by Aspirin/Tylenol is probably one of the most painful ways to go. 
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Dec 27, 2020 17:59
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mlmp08 posted:Reminder that we still don't really know poo poo about the motives of the dude who collected a bunch of guns and then shot dozens of people to death in Vegas from a hotel room. I thought he was just bonkers and his brother was a pedophile, right? Oh also didn’t he have gambling debts too?
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Dec 27, 2020 18:00
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Just goes to show the class divide. People on the other side of that divide get rewarded for their gambling debts with a Supreme Court seat.
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Dec 27, 2020 18:08
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MazelTovCocktail posted:I thought he was just bonkers and his brother was a pedophile, right? No evidence of mental illness aside from some bouts of depression and an anxiety medication prescription. So no, not "bonkers." He gambled, but no serious debts, just that he'd lately been losing more than winning according to some. A chef who knew him said he watched a lot of youtube conspiracy theory stuff, but that's not much to go on. I've no idea what his brother would have to do with the shooting, unless he was an accomplice. So in short.. mlmp08 posted:Reminder that we still don't really know poo poo about the motives of the dude who collected a bunch of guns and then shot dozens of people to death in Vegas from a hotel room.
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Dec 27, 2020 18:25
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Basically, FBI concluded the guy had kept his thoughts pretty private his entire life, including leading up to his mass killing and suicide. The closest conjecture they could come up with regarding family connections were that the shooter's dad had been a notorious bank robber back in the 1960s, but that's not much at all to go on. quote:The report depicts a man whose physical and mental health was deteriorating and who was planning for the end of his own life. "In reaction to this decline, Paddock concluded that he would seek to control the ending of his life via a suicidal act," the report says. It also suggests the high-stakes gambler may have been inspired by his father, a bank robber and fugitive, who, in 1968, was on the FBI's top-ten most-wanted list.
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Dec 27, 2020 18:32
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Discussion Quorum posted:If this is a play at "did that new information change your opinion, stupid? No no it was more like do you think that the link to the limited info we have now is political or not? I guess it's more of a discussion about mental illness because you keep referencing wackos or weirdos, it was just an odd way to minimize something of this nature. It's hard to post about this and not talk irl, something gets lost in translation. I guess I'm asking can you hand wave away violence as just some form of mental illness without taking into account their motivation if it doesnt make sense to you? These arent gotcha questions on trying to figure it out myself and I'm not sure I'm making myself clear Harry Potter on Ice fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Dec 27, 2020 18:36
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I'm not trying to minimize it, my original comment was a response to a trend I was seeing on Twitter of people all but pre-writing what they thought this guy's manifesto was going to be (essentially "this must have been done by my enemies" with zero real evidence to that end). I guess what you're asking is how expansive we want to make the definition of "political violence," and does the mental state of the perpetrator matter? Which of the following is political violence?
If it turns out this bomber was a sov cit who had had enough of AT&T's collections department turning off his internet in violation of admiralty law, is that political? Technically yes, but IDK that it rises to a level that I would consider it political terrorism. Likewise if it turns out to be 5G paranoia. I'd consider those weirdo grievances, which does not mean the individual was mentally ill, or that if they were, that mental illness somehow excuses it. Want to make that real clear. If he was bombing AT&T because of the Dominion voting machine conspiracy or Q poo poo? It can be both political and weirdo. ETA: IMO, there are certain weirdo things that have penetrated far enough into right-wing thought that I would consider them serious enough to see through a political lens. Bill Gates/vaccine population control paranoia, Q, election fraud, probably ten times that I am forgetting. Trump has muddied those waters for sure. Discussion Quorum fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Dec 27, 2020 19:10
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Given the state of American political discourse, trying to distill a "political motive" that's distinct from mental illness seems pointless. The whole of Qanon appears to a lay observer to be some kind of politically induced psychosis. There are also dozens of other examples where politicians (primarily conservative politicians) tap into some pretty "insane" theories to attract wingnuts to their platform.
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Dec 27, 2020 20:22
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Given the amount of outreach and acceptance the political right has given to fringe conspiracy groups over the last 4 years, actual grounding in political reality is no longer required to be a politically motivated terrorist. Right wing figureheads have actively encouraged anti-5G and all sorts of other ungrounded conspiracy violence
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Dec 27, 2020 20:24
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Internet Wizard posted:Given the amount of outreach and acceptance the political right has given to fringe conspiracy groups over the last 4 years, actual grounding in political reality is no longer required to be a politically motivated terrorist. Right wing figureheads have actively encouraged anti-5G and all sorts of other ungrounded conspiracy violence Jinx
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Dec 27, 2020 20:32
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Now he owes you a Koch.
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Internet Wizard posted:Given the amount of outreach and acceptance the political right has given to fringe conspiracy groups over the last 4 years, actual grounding in political reality is no longer required to be a politically motivated terrorist. Right wing figureheads have actively encouraged anti-5G and all sorts of other ungrounded conspiracy violence https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1342994857023983616?s=21
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Dec 27, 2020 21:06
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mlmp08 posted:Reminder that we still don't really know poo poo about the motives of the dude who collected a bunch of guns and then shot dozens of people to death in Vegas from a hotel room. Plus almost nothing has changed law wise so if another bad person felt like doing the same other than needing to buy bump stocks used. And might want to bring the bags up to his room over a few days instead of all at once. Would it be accurate to say that until he broke the hotel window and barricaded the door, he hadn’t broken any laws?
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Dec 27, 2020 21:16
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Plus almost nothing has changed law wise so if another bad person felt like doing the same other than needing to buy bump stocks used. And might want to bring the bags up to his room over a few days instead of all at once. Planning a mass murder attack with full intent to commit the attack is a crime. But otherwise, AFAIK, just some low level stuff like he might’ve hired a sex worker.
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Dec 27, 2020 21:21
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Plus almost nothing has changed law wise so if another bad person felt like doing the same other than needing to buy bump stocks used. And might want to bring the bags up to his room over a few days instead of all at once. This reminds me, how the hell are binary triggers legal? It's a second bullet fired for every trigger pull (technically it fires a bullet when you release the trigger), so that should run afoul of gun laws to my limited understanding of the situation.
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As Nero Danced posted:This reminds me, how the hell are binary triggers legal? It's a second bullet fired for every trigger pull (technically it fires a bullet when you release the trigger), so that should run afoul of gun laws to my limited understanding of the situation. From arfcom (ugh), here’s the document and this on page 83 https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1120876/download quote:The Department disagrees that other firearms or devices, such as rifles, shotguns, It makes no sense but no gun regulation in the US makes much sense so
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