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Lol @ the non-spoiler thread bitching about how Marco is an insufferable idiot and him getting so powerful/lucky makes no sense
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Crazycryodude posted:Lol @ the non-spoiler thread bitching about how Marco is an insufferable idiot and him getting so powerful/lucky makes no sense
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Dec 28, 2020 04:15
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It always kind of annoyed me how people complained about Marco unbelievable when, you know gestures vaguely at reality
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Dec 28, 2020 04:36
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kerwyn posted:It always kind of annoyed me how people complained about Marco unbelievable when, i've just awoken from a 20 year coma! excuse me, my good fellow, what year is it? who's the president? who?!?!?
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Dec 28, 2020 04:40
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I was initially surprised there wasn’t more coverage in Ep 4 about the attack on the Martian PM but the more I think about it in the books it was someone we never saw or heard from except from others’ POV and I guess I didn’t really care about them then. There’s still time but the earth thing was certainly more impactful for many reasons. Just initially felt like a “Pentagon coverage on page 9” newspaper on 9/12 thing.
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Dec 28, 2020 04:51
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I am enjoying all the posts about how this was symbolic and he's not going to do anything major. Which is why I hope they aren't downplaying the horror, the story doesn't work if Marco isn't the biggest mass murderer in history.
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Dec 28, 2020 06:31
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Hed posted:I was initially surprised there wasn’t more coverage in Ep 4 about the attack on the Martian PM but the more I think about it in the books it was someone we never saw or heard from except from others’ POV and I guess I didn’t really care about them then. I'll be sad if we don't get Alex and Bobbie escaping a Donnager-class battleship with Nate on the Razorback. Grand Fromage posted:I am enjoying all the posts about how this was symbolic and he's not going to do anything major. But he's not the biggest mass murderer in history. Winston Duarte is.
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Dec 28, 2020 08:16
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kerwyn posted:It always kind of annoyed me how people complained about Marco unbelievable when, No he's really bad I think I actually said "Oh my loving god just kill him already!" when I read the part in the book where his fleet is at a stand-off with another and he just slams the controls of his hesitant pilot and it quickly switches to the end of the battle, which he somehow won
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Dec 28, 2020 13:49
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Grand Fromage posted:I am enjoying all the posts about how this was symbolic and he's not going to do anything major. Yeah, "It's just space 9/11" isn't a very accurate take. Hoping they lean in on the fact that Earth's biosphere is completely hosed for generations.
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Dec 28, 2020 14:25
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It’s obvious in the book that Marco is kind of meant to be a poo poo villain, that’s the point. He’s this bloviating rear end in a top hat with delusions of grandeur who loves making big speeches and pretending it’s all part of the plan. The guy is space Trump. Foolish show watchers are not getting that.
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Dec 28, 2020 15:22
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he’s a distraction used by Mars/Duarte
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Dec 28, 2020 15:29
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i just touched the poop a little bit in the non-spoilers thread and lol really hope we get the delivery of Marco just being a moronic pawn so the people in the thread won't have their vindication that he's badly written/acted/whatever tf
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Dec 28, 2020 15:36
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Jakabite posted:It’s obvious in the book that Marco is kind of meant to be a poo poo villain, that’s the point. He’s this bloviating rear end in a top hat with delusions of grandeur who loves making big speeches and pretending it’s all part of the plan. The guy is space Trump. Foolish show watchers are not getting that. It’s not entertaining to read an “on purpose poo poo villain”
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Dec 28, 2020 16:31
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Professor Shark posted:It’s not entertaining to read an “on purpose poo poo villain” I thought it was - he wasn’t the best part of the books for sure but I found him interesting enough. Definitely something different.
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Dec 28, 2020 16:39
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Yeah gauging based off what show watchers are thinking either they hosed up the rocks and martian conspiracy in the show or they are pulling their punches for reveals later in the season. I wonder if its the latter, then what do y'all think the show watcher reaction will be? That the rocks more or less destroy earth and that Marco is just a pawn in a giant martian conspiracy? Because right now show-watchers are either underestimating the rocks/conspiracy or are underwhelmed by it.
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Dec 28, 2020 18:01
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I'm pretty sure the punches are gonna land as Amos tours the post-apocalyptic wasteland, with a side serving of Avasarala getting reports about mass agricultural collapse or whatever. The show is still in "wtf is going on, rocks just hit, nobody knows what's happening" mode, give it a few more episodes.
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Dec 28, 2020 18:10
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Yeah no way they’re going to let a main character walk across a desolated apocalyptic wasteland then be like ‘don’t worry though this is just this area, he happened to get unlucky!’ Shits gonna be fuuuuuucked up
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Dec 28, 2020 18:32
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Phi230 posted:Yeah gauging based off what show watchers are thinking either they hosed up the rocks and martian conspiracy in the show or they are pulling their punches for reveals later in the season. This is what I was saying before. The rocks felt really underwhelming compared to how they played up the planetbuster hitting in s1. It almost feels like an afterthought like "oh poo poo, yeah the episode is ending, uhhh show a lame explosion I guess".
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Dec 28, 2020 19:02
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Professor Shark posted:It’s not entertaining to read an “on purpose poo poo villain” It actually really was. Those couple books were my favourite of the series.
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Dec 28, 2020 19:33
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Kaedric posted:This is what I was saying before. The rocks felt really underwhelming compared to how they played up the planetbuster hitting in s1. It almost feels like an afterthought like "oh poo poo, yeah the episode is ending, uhhh show a lame explosion I guess". I dont understand why they did the planet buster at all. It entirely downplays the way that even Mars knows that Earth is too valuable to really harm. They knew the rocks were coming, why downplay them?
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Dec 28, 2020 19:42
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PriorMarcus posted:I dont understand why they did the planet buster at all. It entirely downplays the way that even Mars knows that Earth is too valuable to really harm. They knew the rocks were coming, why downplay them?
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Dec 28, 2020 20:15
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Nail Rat posted:I'm betting they really didn't expect to get to nemesis games at all. I think you're probably right.
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Dec 28, 2020 20:16
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CLAM DOWN posted:It actually really was. Those couple books were my favourite of the series. That's fine- I thought it killed the momentum of the series. Maybe when I do a reread I'll appreciate it more.
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Dec 28, 2020 22:30
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gfarrell80 posted:I just re-watched Ep 4 and I think we're applying something to Marco that isn't there. In his speech at the end of the ep he does say he recognizes Mars and Earth's right to exist. He's not attempting to wipe out thirty billion people. 
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Dec 28, 2020 22:58
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very lol post in any case, falling for fictional hamhanded propaganda
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Dec 28, 2020 23:04
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Mars having a right to exist that ends at its own atmosphere is pretty funny since they're not self sufficient. And sure, all of the 1300 new worlds belong belong to less than 1% of humanity. Marco is a reasonable man!
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Dec 28, 2020 23:46
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Marco is what happens if you let one of those coal miners who thinks that his job is going away because coal miners with middle school educations are being unfairly singled out, not that his skills are no longer relevant, him have access to nuclear weapons.
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Dec 28, 2020 23:50
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Nail Rat posted:Mars having a right to exist that ends at its own atmosphere is pretty funny since they're not self sufficient. And sure, all of the 1300 new worlds belong belong to less than 1% of humanity. Marco is a reasonable man! That was such an amazing part of his speech, lmfao
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Dec 28, 2020 23:51
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I'd argue that he wasn't poo poo if he managed to do what he did to earth
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Dec 29, 2020 01:26
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All the Expanse villains are kind of the same, anyway. A semi-sociopath blowhard who thinks he is smarter than he is, and has [a magic power.] Mao's magic power was money, much like Book!Dresden's. Murtry's power was a gun. Marco's power is supervillain charisma. The problem is that they don't write him with much charisma but a whole lot of blowhard, and so, you kind of sit there going 'wait, people fall for this?' even though the wider point of Marco is that, yeah, they do, and Marco was in just the right place - and just the right decoy - to do incredible damage.
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Dec 29, 2020 01:53
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kerwyn posted:It always kind of annoyed me how people complained about Marco unbelievable when,
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Dec 29, 2020 01:58
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:All the Expanse villains are kind of the same, anyway. A semi-sociopath blowhard who thinks he is smarter than he is, and has [a magic power.] Mao's magic power was money, much like Book!Dresden's. Murtry's power was a gun. Marco's power is supervillain charisma. The problem is that they don't write him with much charisma but a whole lot of blowhard, and so, you kind of sit there going 'wait, people fall for this?' even though the wider point of Marco is that, yeah, they do, and Marco was in just the right place - and just the right decoy - to do incredible damage. OK but to be fair Duarte does gain magic powers.
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Dec 29, 2020 02:01
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pik_d posted:OK but to be fair Duarte does gain magic powers. Haha, true. Might be why he's been the one I've found most interesting in the novels. Sad we probably won't get to see him in the series. Should've cast Bezos.
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Dec 29, 2020 02:03
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I still think Edward James Olmos. Besides the similarities in the description, Duarte is in many ways an evil Adama
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Dec 29, 2020 02:23
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I have always pictured book Trejo as being portrayed by Danny Trejo and I will not hear otherwise.
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Dec 29, 2020 02:28
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I know the protomolecule has accomplished its purpose in the sol system and is likely to sit inert if someone were to bring it out of containment and prod it, but I would love to see what horror would ensue if that was not the case and the Inaros faction tries playing with the very dangerous thing nobody understands.
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Dec 29, 2020 02:32
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Defiance Industries posted:I still think Edward James Olmos. Besides the similarities in the description, Duarte is in many ways an evil Adama If we could get BSG-era Olmos, then that would be perfect. I think he's a little old now, though. My fan cast recently has been Clancy Brown.
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Dec 29, 2020 02:36
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CLAM DOWN posted:I have always pictured book Trejo as being portrayed by Danny Trejo and I will not hear otherwise.  I always liked the idea of Duarte being played by Giancarlo Esposito, but he's in everything these days. (I still like the idea)
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Dec 29, 2020 02:46
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:
I've been fan casting Duarte with Lance Reddik recently, just to bring another Wire alumni on board.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Haha, true. Might be why he's been the one I've found most interesting in the novels. Sad we probably won't get to see him in the series. Should've cast Bezos. Ol' Jeff heard someone say this and that's why the series was cancelled, because he finally realized he wasn't Holden, he was JP Mao all along.
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