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Yossarian-22 posted:This, seriously. Every country blamed China for "hiding" Covid, as they publicly imposed a highly militarized, public, often criticized lockdown that was largely condemned by major media outlets well before things even got remotely bad in Western Europe. They hosed up in its earliest stages because of state censorship but the "China virus" meme is stupid as hell. There's a reason why East Asia is doing better than every other part of the world that's had major outbreaks. And thats the thing China was locking poo poo down hard while the W.H.O sucked ccp dick. Remember the picture of the chinese dude in Italy saying he isnt a virus? then a month later Italy got hosed hard and by that point good luck containing it. I tend to swing environmentalist and off shoring alot of our pollution to china I view as a mistake. Now the supply chain is moving on to places like Vietnam.
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WarpedNaba posted:I wish I had enough space to keep bunnies. They do well in smaller spaces if you let them free-roam! 
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Dec 27, 2020 15:01
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Ups_rail posted:And thats the thing China was locking poo poo down hard while the W.H.O sucked ccp dick. Remember the picture of the chinese dude in Italy saying he isnt a virus? then a month later Italy got hosed hard and by that point good luck containing it. On the plus side business going to places like Vietnam as a result of sanctions will help a lot of people, and probably won't fund land (and sea) grabs with a side of genocide by a fascist dictatorship as a byproduct.
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Dec 27, 2020 15:21
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Warbadger posted:On the plus side business going to places like Vietnam as a result of sanctions will help a lot of people, and probably won't fund land (and sea) grabs with a side of genocide by a fascist dictatorship as a byproduct. Wait, how does moving supply chains to Vietnam result in defunding the US military?
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Dec 27, 2020 15:44
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There was a big story in the local paper today on how China's massive fishing fleet is illegally depleting protected fish stocks all over the Pacific, loving over entire ecosystems. gently caress the PRC to hell, Taiwan #1.
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Dec 27, 2020 16:24
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barbecue at the folks posted:There was a big story in the local paper today on how China's massive fishing fleet is illegally depleting protected fish stocks all over the Pacific, loving over entire ecosystems. gently caress the PRC to hell, Taiwan #1. Closer to home they've been caught running huge illegal fishing ops into North Korean waters (and pretty much everyone else in the region). Apparently crashing the fish and squid populations and forcing the DPRK fishermen to make attempts further out to sea on small, lovely boats meant to stay near shore. With the predictable resulting bodycount. Further out you had the gigantic fleet fishing right off the Galapagos, inside Ecuadorian waters, and getting chased around by various navies in the region. HashtagGirlboss posted:Wait, how does moving supply chains to Vietnam result in defunding the US military? I mean the whole point of a wide range of economic sanctions is forcing US/European corporations to not just go with the biggest profit/lowest cost (slave) labor solution, so in a way you could get that wish too! Warbadger fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Dec 27, 2020 16:52
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Blistex posted:That's basically how I predicted Xi was going to take control away from the toad. Corruption isn't a way to do business in China, it's pretty much the only way to do business. You have to grease the wheels from day one, and the larger you get, the more wheels you have to lube. It's also the same when rising up through the party. Therefore anyone who has amassed any significant wealth or influence has a massive closet full of skeletons that can be brought up to take him/her down. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Dec 27, 2020 18:10
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Warbadger posted:On the plus side business going to places like Vietnam as a result of sanctions will help a lot of people, and probably won't fund land (and sea) grabs with a side of genocide by a fascist dictatorship as a byproduct. bad news on the government of vietnam (and india w the hindutva peeps, and nigeria, and...)
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Dec 27, 2020 18:53
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Ups_rail posted:And thats the thing China was locking poo poo down hard while the W.H.O sucked ccp dick. Remember the picture of the chinese dude in Italy saying he isnt a virus? then a month later Italy got hosed hard and by that point good luck containing it. i don't really remember that but i do remember the W.H.O. made an official statement in january that corona virus 100% absolutely cannot be spread through the air i also remember all the stupid jackasses posting videos of themselves hugging random asian-looking people on the street to prove how not racist they are
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Dec 27, 2020 19:49
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I remember CAPS LOCK BROKEN called me an idiot for saying that a middle eastern organization that hasn’t actually studied this virus saying it wasn’t contagious wasn’t good evidence. Wonder what burner account he’s on now.
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Warbadger posted:On the plus side business going to places like Vietnam as a result of sanctions will help a lot of people, and probably won't fund land (and sea) grabs with a side of genocide by a fascist dictatorship as a byproduct. Yup. Moving commerce and mfg elsewhere will hurt Chinese people but it will help other people instead. The biggest thing the world can do to help the Chinese people long term is to force China to liberalize.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I remember CAPS LOCK BROKEN called me an idiot for saying that a middle eastern organization that hasn’t actually studied this virus saying it wasn’t contagious wasn’t good evidence. Wonder what burner account he’s on now. Lol I completely forgot that in the very early days of the pandemic, like the first few weeks, tankies like caps lock (and R. Guy on a parachute account too  ) were shouting from the hills that the coronavirus was a big nothingburger and that western media was just hyping it because racism and China bad. Ironic that chuds ended latching onto the same position for almost completely opposite reasons.
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Dec 28, 2020 03:57
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I am sorry Devils Affricate since I can't PM you I can't send you the picture. If you have alternate means I am happy to do so. I have sent it to the donors I can PM. They can do what they wish with it. I also need to make a public disclosure and an apology, I actually can't find it hence the delay. The picture is of a suit I own but not the suit. Not all is lost! After more digging I found a picture of it with the appropriate metadata thus a reference and why I know I haven't found it. However, the picture is of me wearing it which is the $1000/letter writing tier. Fur20 posted:i don't really remember that but i do remember the W.H.O. made an official statement in january that corona virus 100% absolutely cannot be spread through the air WHO was slicing it real thin even after that trying to separate it between can spread through the air and "Airborne". There are technical differences with droplet size being one but functionally made no difference for the public at large. For health workers it meant the difference between mask, gowns, face shields or space suits. WHO was also pulling a lot of other BS. I don't remember that but that is creepy as hell and stupid. No, I don't want to be your token. I have seen the free hugs people but they are cool.
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Citizen journalist jailed for 4 years over Wuhan virus reportingquote:A Chinese citizen journalist held since May for her livestream reporting from Wuhan as the COVID-19 outbreak unfolded was sentenced to four years in prison on Monday, almost a year after details of an “unknown viral pneumonia” surfaced in the central China city.
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Dec 28, 2020 09:03
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oohhboy posted:I am sorry Devils Affricate since I can't PM you I can't send you the picture. If you have alternate means I am happy to do so. I have sent it to the donors I can PM. They can do what they wish with it. Oohhboy has lived up to his end of the bargain, and I have seen the suit. He's been a great sport about the jokes so all I have to say is I'm disappointed at the number of pieces.
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Dec 28, 2020 09:21
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Fur20 posted:i don't really remember that but i do remember the W.H.O. made an official statement in january that corona virus 100% absolutely cannot be spread through the air heres a link https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3050499/i-am-not-virus-i-am-human-being-italian-chinese-mans-video So during sars the WHO had a effective leadership that basically published the truth. Even the mayor of Vancouver went to the WHO and complained how the WHO was making them look bad (by saying there was problem and recomending what should be done) During SARS they also told the CCP "hey we have this information and well you can come forward with it or we can come forward with it" Very different from this round of "china is wonderful everythint is wonderful" and of course that Canadian dude who couldnt talk about taiwan.
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Without extreme measures to lower china's gdp every year, what will be their incentive to reform?
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mikerock posted:Oohhboy has lived up to his end of the bargain, and I have seen the suit. He's been a great sport about the jokes so all I have to say is I'm disappointed at the number of pieces. Post tha loving suit mike rock!!!
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Dec 28, 2020 11:16
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hakimashou posted:Without extreme measures to lower china's gdp every year, what will be their incentive to reform? GDP is just another severely over-rated and heavily-manipulated index people relied on too loving much anyone can also build ghost cities and boost consumption / production index if you've got the money.
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Zakrello posted:GDP is just another severely over-rated and heavily-manipulated index people relied on too loving much you frequently don't even need the money VideoTapir posted:How is that? a nontrivial part of why china has been so much more belligerent over the last half a decade is because a huge part of Xi's platform is saying 'gently caress the coastal elites, we're going to bring success to the rural poor by practicing self-sufficiency' which has been part of every regressive leadership playbook in the last 200 years, including donny t's (who came to power riding a pretty similar sentiment). it has a track record of working out for the poor it's supposed to help exactly 0 times over those 200 years, which America at least partially figured out over the last 4 years but China is still rolling forward on. you can (eventually) force a liberalization of foreign and trade policy by simply refusing to engage with a power that is doing bad things, but in between making that decision and the regressive government either collapsing or surrendering you basically have an unknown number of years or decades of economic grind that hurts the innocent poor the most. however, this can reasonably be stacked up against the theoretical damage that regressive power will do while it is being propped up by engaging on its terms, though good luck making that stacking objective in any way since you're inherently going to be comparing like and unlike. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 28, 2020 |
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Warbadger posted:
Should have just bombed it to the bottom of the sea  Reefs and fish are precious and far less replaceable than bumfuck criminals
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A quixotic obsession with complete and total autarky is a classic hallmark of a fascist regime because their xenophobia causes them to view any interaction with the outside world as a potential threat, which seems to me an implicit acknowledgement of the influence that the outside world can have.
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I laugh whenever "gently caress the coastal elites" come up. It has nothing to do with them being elites or being "Better" or them imposing anything in the literal middle of nowhere. It's simple economics. If you have access to the ocean you can trade with the rest of the world extremely cheaply as ship can move cargo cheaper than every other option the moment boats were invented. Plus it's where all the rivers flow out to, food like fish. It's why people live on the coast. This land lock/costal imbalance is built into the geography and there is no "fix". Direct wealth transfers can soften the imbalance which already happens via farm subsidies(There are other reasons too). States like CA/NY will always pay more into Federal than they get out due to this. Even sovereign countries can't overcome this disadvantages so must play what niches they do have which in the case of the US is to farm the hell out of it. America is so good at it, they are making the world fatter. As technology gets better less farmers are needed which pressures family farms which might not have the capital to compete with conglomerates which the solution for the families is to create their own conglomerates. Of course, they value individuality so much I wouldn't be surprised if they think it is socialism because you are cooperating with your neighbours beyond bringing a plate. Places like Georgia have become a mini Hollywood much like Canada has with Vancouver. Secondary silicone valleys have popped up taking advantage of cheaper costs of living. It's one reason why orange and xi and every other tosser will fail
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Yup, its literally just an ease and ability to trade thing. Telecom infrastructure goes a long way to equalizing some stuff but a port is still gonna just be better for the foreseeable future. The USA has kind of mitigated the problem by continuing to pour money into cities and letting lovely small nowheresville towns die. Midwestern cities aren’t as rich in opportunities as true major ports like LA or NYC but having access to decent airports and good internet means that it’s still good enough for a lot of purposes. Meanwhile in China...
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Dec 29, 2020 00:57
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I love how all the china tanks who at the start of the year were screaming about how covid was a racist lie to defame the biggest existing socialist country in the world are now screaming about how china handling covid so well is proof china's existing socialism is the best system in the world and the unnamed country can only salivate at their covid numbers.
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oohhboy posted:I laugh whenever "gently caress the coastal elites" come up. It has nothing to do with them being elites or being "Better" or them imposing anything in the literal middle of nowhere. It's simple economics. If you have access to the ocean you can trade with the rest of the world extremely cheaply as ship can move cargo cheaper than every other option the moment boats were invented. Plus it's where all the rivers flow out to, food like fish. It's why people live on the coast. This land lock/costal imbalance is built into the geography and there is no "fix". Direct wealth transfers can soften the imbalance which already happens via farm subsidies(There are other reasons too). States like CA/NY will always pay more into Federal than they get out due to this. On your coastal stuff. 80% of Australia's population lives on the coast. I mean most of the rest of the country is desert, but your point still stands.
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Baronjutter posted:I love how all the china tanks who at the start of the year were screaming about how covid was a racist lie to defame the biggest existing socialist country in the world are now screaming about how china handling covid so well is proof china's existing socialism is the best system in the world and the unnamed country can only salivate at their covid numbers. God I wonder what it's like to be so high you think China in 2020 is great socialism. Those must be some loving amazing drugs.
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BrigadierSensible posted:On your coastal stuff. 80% of Australia's population lives on the coast. I mean most of the rest of the country is desert, but your point still stands. The same is true everywhere. Most of China's population lives on the coast, I wouldn't be surprised if the number is about the same. Empires are predicated on ease of movement/logistics to better trade, to project military power. The world's greatest empires all have access to boats. In the case of Mongolian's high mobility with horses and being land locked. British Empire, 1/4 of the world had only a small army, but the best navy. It's the same for America. Those aircraft carriers aren't only there to obliterate countries or to bitch about how much they cost, they are there to show the flag, to own the seas. Even arresting pirates is important so is inspecting for contraband, it's to demonstrate your control. Submarines are great in war but can't perform other function. A vague sense of dread isn't going to drive off pirates, inspect boats, or provide staying power or do the one thing a sub should never do by showing the flag. If America wants to continue to be top dog it must control the sea and trade with people that share values. That is the price. Yes, racism quite literally hurts your wallet. America First is the dumbest idea if you want to stay strong. It's why I laugh at anybody who tries to justify it or play up orange's trade deals or diplomacy wins. Everybody is waiting for him to gently caress off while throwing a bone or two.
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oohhboy posted:The same is true everywhere. Most of China's population lives on the coast, I wouldn't be surprised if the number is about the same. this looks like some suspiciously GLOBALIST thinking there mr oohhboy, 'specially that tradin' part is you one-a thems
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Coolguye posted:
that isn't what liberalize means quote:a nontrivial part of why china has been so much more belligerent over the last half a decade is because a huge part of Xi's platform is saying 'gently caress the coastal elites, we're going to bring success to the rural poor by practicing self-sufficiency' That is in no way what China has been doing. quote:which has been part of every regressive leadership playbook in the last 200 years, What does 'regressive' mean here and which countries have been it?
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the prc rural policy is failing for the different reason of they're not gonna reform hukous and they're not rehoming rural peeps in cities like they used to, not because xi jinping is a chinese trump
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I had (had) a friend in Beijing who was telling me how great it was when they drove out all the migrant workers from Beijing. When they bulldozed dozens of slum neighborhoods right at the start of loving winter. There is approximately zero chance no one dies from that bullshit. A couple months after I took a walk around Chaoyang (near the mall where some dude got stabbed a few years prior) through a neighborhood where I used to jog. Flattened, with no sign of any plans for construction. You could see the outlines of where brick homes had been, crushed brick mixed with fragments of household effects and loving kids toys compacted into new road surface. My father in law had like 5 or 6 of his employees staying in his apartment for a couple months after that purge. The main staging area for his business (where he lived) was among the places leveled. Anyway, my idiot friend, who I think was from Beijing IIRC thought this was just the bee's knees, rousting 2 million people with little or no notice at almost the worst possible time. I'll usually defend China against most criticism (because most of what Anglophones say about it is ignorant bullshit), but man, Beijing in particular can gently caress right off. Constantly trying to turn themselves into Shanghai, and failing in large part because they destroy everything that used to be nice about Beijing in the process. Anyway, hukous are some bullshit.
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VideoTapir posted:I'll usually defend China against most criticism (because most of what Anglophones say about it is ignorant bullshit) This is a great thing to post in the middle of your rant about that time the Chinese government bulldozed 2 million poor people's homes for no reason
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Fojar38 posted:This is a great thing to post in the middle of your rant about that time the Chinese government bulldozed 2 million poor people's homes for no reason Hey congratulations ulyou made it that far. Keep practicing and you'll build up enough stamina to keep going
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oohhboy posted:I am sorry Devils Affricate since I can't PM you I can't send you the picture. If you have alternate means I am happy to do so. I have sent it to the donors I can PM. They can do what they wish with it. I was under the impression that the suit pictures, once unlocked, would be equally distributed to the the people of this thread, as according to their needs. If it's my choice to do as I wish with it, please share it here with our comrades.
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tbf it was a really stupid sentence VideoTapir posted:Hey congratulations ulyou made it that far. Keep practicing and you'll build up enough stamina to keep going
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VideoTapir posted:I'll usually defend China against most criticism (because most of what Anglophones say about it is ignorant bullshit), but man, Beijing in particular can gently caress right off. Constantly trying to turn themselves into Shanghai, and failing in large part because they destroy everything that used to be nice about Beijing in the process. Beijing is absolutely not trying to turn itself into Shanghai, a city with at least a bit of character and humanity. The goal of Beijing’s leadership is to turn it into a safe, bland, sterile, charmless city that satisfies the central government’s obsession with order and control. Evidence of that is the migrant worker expulsion campaign you mentioned, the demolishing of small streetside shops, the crackdown on street vendors, and a hundred other things. My favorite was when they ordered all skyscrapers and other tall buildings to take down their exterior signs because ??? - that, at least, got quietly shelved pretty quickly because people were loudly complaining that it was hard to find your way when you’re surrounded by a bunch of anonymous tall buildings with no identifying signage whatsoever.
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Porfiriato posted:Beijing is absolutely not trying to turn itself into Shanghai, a city with at least a bit of character and humanity. The goal of Beijing’s leadership is to turn it into a safe, bland, sterile, charmless city that satisfies the central government’s obsession with order and control. 
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