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Lifespan posted:Unless Sherman takes a massive pay cut, he's not coming home. Griffin is still good and Reed is playing great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqO4vBSLHMw
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Finger Prince posted:Refs tried their hardest to give the Rams the advantage, but in the end it was the same old sorry rear end rams. How? I'm seriously asking because I only saw clips of the game on RedZone, and I haven't heard/read this.
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Dec 29, 2020 05:48
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He’s being dumb the refs did nothing to help the Rams
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GIVING HIMSELF UP MY rear end NO IM NOT MAD
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DariusLikewise posted:He’s being dumb the refs did nothing to help the Rams Saying he gave himself up denied us one of the funniest and best highlights of all time. Fuckin refs, man.
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Lifespan posted:Reed is playing great. Good to hear at least one legendary 49ers cornerback is playing.
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The game was basically over by then but "giving himself up" was a total bullshit call that seemed to be made just to save the Rams some dignity.
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It was the obviously correct call by the rules.
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Yeah, it was the right interpretation, and the game was way over so the only upshot was that it erased an what would have been an extremely funny turnover.
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Nit Wit Dog poo poo posted:How? I'm seriously asking because I only saw clips of the game on RedZone, and I haven't heard/read this. I disagree with the interpretation of giving himself up, based on the rule posted in the GDT. "Article 1: Dead Ball Declared. An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: ...when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance; or" He didn't kneel, and he didn't fall to the ground and make no effort to advance. He made the catch and got up with it in his possession. Then he decided not to advance the ball by placing it on the ground, not while he was on the ground. But anyway, it was pretty loving hilarious for a minute regardless. There was also the roughing the kicker penalty, which was clearly running into the kicker, the former which gave the Rams a fresh set of downs. And the fumble on the punt that was recovered by Seattle on replay but was never reviewed or considered to be anything but a recovery by the Rams. And the not set penalty on DK that erased a run for a 1st, which is ticky tacky but maybe technically correct, like calling an o-lineman on holding. And then there was the obvious intentional grounding where Goff was still in the pocket and hucked it into the turf behind the LOS to avoid pressure that wasn't called. There was probably other stuff, but the Rams never really were able to make much of any advantage given by the refs, so it was only WTF at the time it happened and quickly forgotten. And like I'm not mad about it really, because we got the win, but it just seemed to me while watching the game that if the refs had a chance to make a call that favoured the Rams, they made that call. Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Dec 29, 2020 |
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Finger Prince posted:I disagree with the interpretation of giving himself up, based on the rule posted in the GDT. He fell to the ground and made no effort to advance the ball, which is exactly what the rule says. Both of those actions happened. The rule doesn’t say you must fall to the ground and remain there while not advancing the ball. How would one even advance the ball while they were on the ground? Rolling? Belly crawling? Anyway, the refs err on the side of obvious player intent in cases like this, like in this play from last season. https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinBoilard/status/1213598794501296129
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He gave himself up you nerds Player: *emphatically places ball on ground after going down and believing himself to have been touched, and sprinted away from said ball* Geniuses on the internet: nope play was live, didn't give himself up Spoeank fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Dec 29, 2020 |
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YOLOsubmarine posted:He fell to the ground and made no effort to advance the ball, which is exactly what the rule says. Both of those actions happened. The rule doesn’t say you must fall to the ground and remain there while not advancing the ball. How would one even advance the ball while they were on the ground? Rolling? Belly crawling? Yeah, I know, I know. I just wish they'd sometimes err on the side of funniest result, that's all!
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Finger Prince posted:Yeah, I know, I know. I just wish they'd sometimes err on the side of funniest result, that's all! Well, there was that time that Wright clearly batted the ball out of the back of the endzone against the Lions but the refs ruled it a touchback instead, which is extremely funny if you’re a big fan on the sitcom “The Universe Hates the Lions.”
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Well, there was that time that Wright clearly batted the ball out of the back of the endzone against the Lions but the refs ruled it a touchback instead, which is extremely funny if you’re a big fan on the sitcom “The Universe Hates the Lions.” I figured that was a case of.the ref not knowing the rulebook
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Spoeank posted:He gave himself up you nerds No seahawk was anywhere near him so unless he thinks Patrick Swayze was helping him on the potter's wheel he wouldn't have thought so Also it was way less funny to call the rule like that so that is the true crime Its Rinaldo fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 29, 2020 |
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I think if you consistently apply it the way it was sunday you're going against the spirit of the rule, opening the game up to more antics, and putting more doubt into a players head on whether or not a play is actually over without hearing a whistle. All of which is much worse than a team who couldn't stop the clock anyway losing a few extra seconds. Giving yourself up should be blatant and it should result in a player waiting for a blown whistle, not dictating on their own when a play is over. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Dec 30, 2020 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I think if you consistently apply it the way it was sunday you're going against the spirit of the rule, opening the game up to more antics, and putting more doubt into a players head on whether or not a play is actually over without hearing a whistle. All of which is much worse than a team who couldn't stop the clock anyway losing a few extra seconds. Yeah, he could have easily turned up field and run for another 5 yards once he got up with the ball. The fact that he didn't confused the defense enough that they thought the ball was live. You need to make a point of declaring the ball dead at the spot, like signalling for a fair catch. If there was a defender anywhere near him he could have got trucked while he was putting down the ball. But I get it, and it's not an inconsistent call. Look at intentional grounding. As long as you meet the barest minimum criteria of vague intent it's not intentional grounding. Just throw it withing 5 yards of the feet of your blocking TE with his back to you with one foot on the side hash mark, good enough, you tried. Nobody was ever going to catch that, but the intent was you were declaring the play dead, so it's dead.
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yeah how could he have thought that he got touched while rolling on the ground to secure the catch
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maybe i'm unimaginative but what do people think this opens the door for? like i don't really see the utility of a trick play built around deliberately dropping the ball and running away from it in the midst of the defense or something
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Dutchy posted:maybe i'm unimaginative but what do people think this opens the door for? like i don't really see the utility of a trick play built around deliberately dropping the ball and running away from it in the midst of the defense or something The idea is that he gets up with the ball, and can choose to run with it at that point, or place it down. The defense doesn't know which. With a QB slide or fair catch, there's a deliberate signal to the defense to call off murdering the guy. You get up off the ground with the ball and see a safety trucking full speed looking to push your ribs into the next time zone, just place the ball down. Now the defense probably gets a roughing penalty.
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I dont know that anyone would be quick enough to game it intentionally but who knows, these are some of the smartest dudes in sports. There's plenty of highlights of heads up plays that make me  might as well not incentivize tomfoolery and end plays the way they're supposed to end.
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Lol Seahawks fans don’t deserve anything nice
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I dont know that anyone would be quick enough to game it intentionally but who knows, these are some of the smartest dudes in sports. There's plenty of highlights of heads up plays that make me This is particularly funny considering the events of the play being discussed.
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No one in the nfcw does. Maybe the cards but they have kyler now.
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its all nice on rice posted:This is particularly funny considering the events of the play being discussed. It'd be smarter if you could reliably predict an outcome. But yeah
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Guess I’m gonna have to switch my avatar again. https://twitter.com/fieldgulls/status/1344096500540993537?s=21
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DariusLikewise posted:Lol Seahawks fans don’t deserve anything nice Darn! Oh well, I'm sure I'll find a way to enjoy the division title anyway.
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shirts and skins posted:Darn! Oh well, I'm sure I'll find a way to enjoy the division title anyway. They say that but they gifted the Hawks the division by losing to the Jets after we lost to the Giants which I thought was nice
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Y'all starting to sound like Pete Carroll 9/11 truthers with this stuff
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Finger Prince posted:The idea is that he gets up with the ball, and can choose to run with it at that point, or place it down. The defense doesn't know which. With a QB slide or fair catch, there's a deliberate signal to the defense to call off murdering the guy. You get up off the ground with the ball and see a safety trucking full speed looking to push your ribs into the next time zone, just place the ball down. Now the defense probably gets a roughing penalty. Not too worried about a thing that’s literally never happened before happening and needing to create a rule to deal with it when it does happen (never).
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Its Rinaldo posted:They say that but they gifted the Hawks the division by losing to the Jets after we lost to the Giants which I thought was nice Yeah, the Rams really did us a solid there and I appreciate that.
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Finger Prince posted:With a QB slide or fair catch, there's a deliberate signal lmao When Russell fakes dipping out of bounds and stays in for a few more yards, I'm 100% sure Seahawks fans cheer him on.
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Good lord I am extremely embarrassed for folks arguing he didn't give himself up or that it would be good for competitive football to interpret the rule differently.
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Coldforge posted:lmao It’s infuriating when Aaron Rodgers does it and I pray somebody decleats him and I hate when Russ does it too
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I am mad at players pushing rules to their literal limits.
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Is Kyler healthy or what? He's not been his usual self lately. Also, Kliff is bad at playcalls?
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Is Kyler healthy or what? Kyler has likely had a nagging shoulder injury since the last Seahawks game. Also, Kliff is bad at playcalling and cannot decide if the Cardinals are a running team or a passing team. A more attuned head coach probably wins the division this year. The Cardinals defense is also wildly hit or miss and hasn't been the same since Chandler Jones went down. Hasaan Reddick and Budda Baker have been playing out of their minds this year, and Patrick Peterson is finally showing signs of decline.
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