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The Gunslinger posted:If this thing had Carplay I would just be all set, I hope Apple eventually shits or gets off pot with their EV efforts. Right now apparently Tesla refuses to adopt either tech because they don't want to give Apple/Google all of their fleet driving info or whatever. Only thing I missed was having SiriusXM but now I just use the app on the charting pad as like a second screen and Bluetooth the app. Saved me money vs having an active radio too.
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The Gunslinger posted:If this thing had Carplay I would just be all set, I hope Apple eventually shits or gets off pot with their EV efforts. Right now apparently Tesla refuses to adopt either tech because they don't want to give Apple/Google all of their fleet driving info or whatever. I didn't know this. I depend on Waze for navigating Los Angeles' bad traffic. This makes me feel better about getting the Kia.
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VideoGameVet posted:I didn't know this. I depend on Waze for navigating Los Angeles' bad traffic. You can always run your phone as a second screen on the wireless charging pad. It’s not ideal but it works.
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Bum the Sad posted:You can always run your phone as a second screen on the wireless charging pad. It’s not ideal but it works. Uh no. I put up with having the phone mounted on my windshield (Quad Lock) for close to a decade on the Toyota I just sold. I prefer the larger Apple Car Play screen on the Kia and having a bunch of apps that work with it. I'm kinda shocked that Tesla doesn't do Apple/Google. Just doesn't make sense to me.
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Dec 28, 2020 21:43
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Just use the Tesla navigation then. It’s really good.
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Dec 28, 2020 22:02
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Bum the Sad posted:Just use the Tesla navigation then. It’s really good. And uses Google traffic and routing, IIRC. Which is the same as Waze, though you do lose the individual instance alerts.
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I've been loving the jalopnik articles showing Bradley Brownell mod and fall in love with his $2000 nissan leaf. https://jalopnik.com/a-set-of-three-spoke-wheels-made-me-love-my-cheap-nissa-1845954289
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MrYenko posted:And uses Google traffic and routing, IIRC. Waze and Google Maps give me quite different routes and ETAs
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Dec 29, 2020 04:18
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Office garage folks have finally figured out that I was charging off of a 110v and turned it off. I should get them to put in ChargePoint of something. About 1/10 the cars here are EV''s anyway.
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dissss posted:Waze and Google Maps give me quite different routes and ETAs Waze had gotten me out of difficult traffic snarls. Google has sent me north on PCH from Sunset when I'm heading south to Carlsbad. Waze's ETA are eerily accurate, on a 108 mile LA/OC/SD drive. They are not the same.
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VideoGameVet posted:Office garage folks have finally figured out that I was charging off of a 110v and turned it off. If the garage is open to the public, you could probably frame it as "offer an employee perk that can be at least partially subsidized by other drivers after hours". The after hours charging probably won't come close to making a dent in the employee charging, but by the time they see that the chargers will already be installed!
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VideoGameVet posted:Waze had gotten me out of difficult traffic snarls. Google has sent me north on PCH from Sunset when I'm heading south to Carlsbad. Waze's ETA are eerily accurate, on a 108 mile LA/OC/SD drive. Can confirm, and I don't know *why* that would be, since Google bought Waze some time back. I did notice the feature of indicating what lanes you want to be in for a split or exit just showed up on some locations on Waze, while that feature has been on Google Maps for some time. There's definitely not feature parity between the two.
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Yeep posted:I’d be all over a well done Volvo XC70 or Saab 9-5 conversion. It’d be cheaper than the £70k the VW Id Space Vizzion is rumoured to cost too. the ID space vizzion is gonna roughly track ID4 pricing maybe at a bit of a premium
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RZA Encryption posted:If the garage is open to the public, you could probably frame it as "offer an employee perk that can be at least partially subsidized by other drivers after hours". The after hours charging probably won't come close to making a dent in the employee charging, but by the time they see that the chargers will already be installed! It's not and the garage management is contracted by the building's owners. So it's not gonna happen. The good news is they are moving the Corporate Apartment to a location that has ChargePoint stuff. (note: the current one had them too, but they didn't work with my ChargePoint card)
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So I stumbled onto this free charger in Malibu: Yeah, this company: https://www.avinc.com Cool aerospace stuff. Heck I even ran into the founder (Paul B. MacCready) decades ago (1998 or so) when he showed up at a HPV (human powered vehicle) event in Long Beach and showed off the first eBike I ever saw that was a "pedal-assist" thing, 1997 He's the guy who designed the Gossamer Albatross and other cool things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_MacCready The charger looked oldish, probabily related to the company's involvement in the design of GM's EV1. More on that: https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/06/aerovironment-official-charger-of-the-chevy-bolt/ VideoGameVet fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Dec 31, 2020 |
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VideoGameVet posted:So I stumbled onto this free charger in Malibu: Huh. That’s cool as hell, those are the chargers at the local mall.
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Hey all, just finished a project I started back in April, wiring up 240v to my car port to get level 2 to my leaf. 240v 50 amp circuit with 6/3 direct bury cable 120v 20 amp circuit with direct bury cable cat6 ethernet with direct bury cable (now that i've been through it all, I'd probably do conduit for the whole thing) https://imgur.com/a/11T1nyA The local PUD is offering 500 bucks if I install a "smart" charger. The stupid portable one that comes with the leaf does 6.6kw which is the car's max anyway, but I could set it to charge at certain times and amounts, which would be nice. Also, other or future cars could charge at up to 42 amps depending on the EVSE i get. Any reccomendations? Here's the PUD site. https://www.snopud.com/?p=3808 edit: hey, what cars charge faster than 6.6kw (~27 amps) on Level 2 power? LRADIKAL fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Dec 31, 2020 |
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LRADIKAL posted:Hey all, just finished a project I started back in April, wiring up 240v to my car port to get level 2 to my leaf. Cool. I have a roll of 6/3, a subpanel, and the rest of the things I need to run 240v out to my garage when it gets warmer. I had conduit run out there when it was built which is both nice but also I really am not looking forward to pulling 6/3 through 90° bends in conduit.
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I think pretty much all non-Leafs will do > 6.6kw - Teslas can do more 11-16kw depending on model and the Renault Zoe can do 22kw AC (and the originals didn't have any DC at all)
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Stultus Maximus posted:Cool. I have a roll of 6/3, a subpanel, and the rest of the things I need to run 240v out to my garage when it gets warmer. I had conduit run out there when it was built which is both nice but also I really am not looking forward to pulling 6/3 through 90° bends in conduit. The 6/3 I have is direct bury, which was a real pain. I ended up with 1.5” conduit. I think that actually pulls pretty easy, but the 120 volt I was pulling with it would bind in the corners. Soap helped, but I figured out that taping the cables together at regular intervals kept them from wrapping around each other and binding bad. I was doing rows, holding the cables with my hands and loose conduit with my feet for a while. Edit: regarding charge rate, 13.2kw would be beyond the capacity of a 50 amp setup as rough math puts 13.2 kw at 52 amps. 9.6kw charge is probably the safe limit for the setup I have @ 40 amps. LRADIKAL fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Dec 31, 2020 |
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dissss posted:I think pretty much all non-Leafs will do > 6.6kw - Teslas can do more 11-16kw depending on model and the Renault Zoe can do 22kw AC (and the originals didn't have any DC at all) Not here in the U.S. You're quoting the 3 phase numbers. Enel X is the Juicebox I believe, which is pretty popular.
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Stultus Maximus posted:pulling 6/3 through 90° bends in conduit. Try 2-2-2-4 AL direct bury wire.... Ran that to my detached garage. Getting it into the fittings and into the panels on either end... was... a bitch.. to put it lightly.
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stevewm posted:Try 2-2-2-4 AL direct bury wire.... Ran that to my detached garage. Getting it into the fittings and into the panels on either end... was... a bitch.. to put it lightly. How far away is your garage that the economics of aluminum make more sense than copper??
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Finger Prince posted:How far away is your garage that the economics of aluminum make more sense than copper?? Because it was free 
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stevewm posted:Because it was free Now that makes sense!
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Finger Prince posted:Now that makes sense! My work sells electrical supplies. We have bulk rolls of common wire types that are sold by the foot. We sometimes have bits left over on those large rolls that no one wants. They get saved in a bin. Work was cleaning the bin out, and I wanted a 80-100A subpanel in my garage.(the builders cheaped out and didn't wire the garage  ) So I ended up with some free 2 gauge USE-2 AL wire.
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Finger Prince posted:How far away is your garage that the economics of aluminum make more sense than copper?? Al is pretty much always cheaper than the equivalent copper though?
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Elviscat posted:Al is pretty much always cheaper than the equivalent copper though? Yeah but you need thicker gauge for the load which makes it a pain to work with and if you're only running like 50' like does it really matter? Like you're gonna save $50 to charge your $50k car.
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Oh yeah, I never use Al for that exact reason.
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Oh, there were early Model Ses with 2 40amp chargers (19.2kW), and later a 72amp charger (17.2kW). I know there are some cars with 7200w and 9600w chargers but I don't know which off the top of my head. Most are limited to 6.6kW though and some even as low as 3.3kW.
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Finger Prince posted:Yeah but you need thicker gauge for the load which makes it a pain to work with and if you're only running like 50' like does it really matter? Like you're gonna save $50 to charge your $50k car. Yeah I was going to get some copper. But the AL was offered to me for free, as was the sub panel I used. So AL it was! Yes it was a bitch to install, but that was a one time annoyance. The permit I had to get from the county office cost more than the materials.
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Welp my cousin just bought a brand new 2020 Bolt. Got to drive it around for awhile today. I'm sold. She got a gray LT with all the option packages and fast charging. So it has everything but Lane keep assist for cheaper than I got my LT Volt for.
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stevewm posted:Welp my cousin just bought a brand new 2020 Bolt. Got to drive it around for awhile today. I'm sold. Its such a fun little car! She's not missing anything but not having LKA, it's super trash here
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Honestly yeah, driving my significant other's Bolt poisons me when going back to my Volt. Quicker acceleration, and true one pedal driving are addicting. It's such a great car! The deals for them are insane, you can get them as low as 20-22k new and fully loaded.
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Westy543 posted:Honestly yeah, driving my significant other's Bolt poisons me when going back to my Volt. Quicker acceleration, and true one pedal driving are addicting. It's such a great car! i didn't realize it would come to a full stop in L. Was delighted to find that out. Same with the Regen paddle. The dealer she bought it from had several with the same config. Said they can't keep them and usually sell each shipment in just a couple days. I might be taking a drive there later today...
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Charles posted:Oh, there were early Model Ses with 2 40amp chargers (19.2kW), and later a 72amp charger (17.2kW). I know there are some cars with 7200w and 9600w chargers but I don't know which off the top of my head. Most are limited to 6.6kW though and some even as low as 3.3kW. New Tesla’s are 11+ kw still. But, I think the practical difference between 6kw charging at home and anything faster is pretty minimal, can’t imagine very many situations where fast home charging would help you out but a quick stop at a dc charger wouldn’t make more sense.
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sanchez posted:New Tesla’s are 11+ kw still. But, I think the practical difference between 6kw charging at home and anything faster is pretty minimal, can’t imagine very many situations where fast home charging would help you out but a quick stop at a dc charger wouldn’t make more sense. - Charge during dinner before dropping kids off at (activity). - Charge after work before going to (social occasion). - Friends can stay a little longer when visiting because they don't have to budget in a fast charging stop on the way home. All of these opportunities are charging when the car is parked anyway, rather than charging when you would rather be traveling and forcing you to wait. Quicker home charging enables more activities with less total battery capacity (and therefore cheaper and lighter car). I realise COVID makes most of these irrelevant, but let's hope the world returns to something like normal, then they could happen.
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Don’t forget having a limited window when the price per kWh is lowest, a lower charge rate might force you to spill out into the more expensive rates.
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S/X gets delivered with 16.5 kW or 17 kW chargers, 3/Y it depends on the trim level iirc.
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Tesla has used a few different onboard charger configs, I think some had up to 80 amps possible. But they've standardized across their line now. Only the "standard range" 3 has a lower power charger (7.7kw/32 amp, which is the max the mobile connector can deliver). Everything else in the Tesla lineup has a 11.5kw/48 amp charger, but you'd need to install a wall connector to deliver it to the car. https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/onboard-charger I debated the whole charge speed thing with myself, but settled on just doing some 50 amp plugs (and charging at the 32amps of the mobile connector). We're withing 15-30 miles of a handful of superchargers, with another one supposed to go in pretty close, so even in a worst case scenario with a nearly empty battery, it's not a long time to charge to be able to get to one and really quickly charge.
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