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Picnic Princess posted:There's been other serial killers in the healthcare profession, he wouldn't be the first to take advantage of their job to murder others. Yep. This guy might hold the serial killer record https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Cullen
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bob dobbs is dead posted:cuz the roni can make you psychotic Covid will be the lead paint of the 21st century.
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canyoneer posted:Yep. This guy might hold the serial killer record Not even close, Harold Shipman killed 250 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman?wprov=sfla1
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xcheopis posted:As far we know, he may have genuinely believed that the vaccine was poison/mind control/mark of the beast and therefore he was trying to save people. Which has precisely zero relevance to how he should be charged. Even if all you're trying to claim is that he isn't mentally fit to stand trial. I agree that the charge should be reckless endangerment rather than attempted murder, but you are arguing it in a really weird way.
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smoobles posted:Not even close, Harold Shipman killed 250 https://twitter.com/edmorrish/status/1343878018129948672
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xcheopis posted:As far we know, he may have genuinely believed that the vaccine was poison/mind control/mark of the beast and therefore he was trying to save people. Look out, Robin! The RIGHT-WING LONG-TERM STRATEGY ALERT is going off! Gee whiz Batman! What's that?!? That's the strategy where claiming you "believed" something means you can't be liable for it no matter how destructive, disgusting, or damaging it is! They call it "freedom of religion." But Batman! That's an absolute inversion of everything freedom of religion stands for! I know, Robin. I know. But remember, my friend.... we're dealing with criminals here. Tune in next week when who gives a gently caress what you believe you crazy vaccine-destroying piece of poo poo go to prison.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Look out, Robin! The RIGHT-WING LONG-TERM STRATEGY ALERT is going off! Yep. Sorry my fine anti-vaxxer pharmacist dude, but how does that saying go? Oh, right: facts don't care about your feelings.
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Castaign posted:Which has precisely zero relevance to how he should be charged. Even if all you're trying to claim is that he isn't mentally fit to stand trial. I said nothing about his mental fitness, only that without other evidence we shouldn't instantly claim he should be charged as a serial killer.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Look out, Robin! The RIGHT-WING LONG-TERM STRATEGY ALERT is going off! This sure is a post full of stupid.
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xcheopis posted:This sure is a post full of stupid. Case closed!
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xcheopis posted:I said nothing about his mental fitness, only that without other evidence we shouldn't instantly claim he should be charged as a serial killer. You also seemed to imply that his motivations and beliefs (whatever they might be) would or should impact the nature of the charges leveled against him.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Look out, Robin! The RIGHT-WING LONG-TERM STRATEGY ALERT is going off! 
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Castaign posted:You also seemed to imply that his motivations and beliefs (whatever they might be) would or should impact the nature of the charges leveled against him. Yes. Motivation often factors into charges. Until we have more evidence that he wanted to kill people, don't assume he is a serial killer. A stupid piece of poo poo recklessly endangering others, absolutely.
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Fumble posted:How much worse is the English strain compaired to the original strain from Wuhan? its just more transmissible I think?
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HugeGrossBurrito posted:its just more transmissible I think? Yeah, you can get it more easily now. All the dumbfucks who are parading around without masks in my city, that haven't get it yet by mere luck, have now even higher chances to get that poo poo for real now.
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OmniCorp posted:He probably wanted to destroy his life as pathetically as other covid truthers. 2020 was lots of fun!
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If it’s an anti-vax thing, did pharmacist man think by leaving the vaccines out he was making them harmless to the people getting the injection? Because he didn’t do anything to stop the injections themselves. And reading a little more about the story it doesn’t sound he made any moves to go undetected for more than a couple days, so it’s not like he could have thought he was preventing these people from getting the real shot soon anyway. Just an Ima throw myself on the gears and do my little tiny part at the cost of my entire career kind of thing, I guess. But then why not just throw the vials out and be done with it? Hard to discern the guy’s thought process.
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prick with tenure posted:If it’s an anti-vax thing, did pharmacist man think by leaving the vaccines out he was making them harmless to the people getting the injection? Because he didn’t do anything to stop the injections themselves. And reading a little more about the story it doesn’t sound he made any moves to go undetected for more than a couple days, so it’s not like he could have thought he was preventing these people from getting the real shot soon anyway. Just an Ima throw myself on the gears and do my little tiny part at the cost of my entire career kind of thing, I guess. But then why not just throw the vials out and be done with it? Hard to discern the guy’s thought process. he's dumb as gently caress, op
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Quoting a really good side-eyed COVID Hoaxer burn.
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Fumble posted:How much worse is the English strain compaired to the original strain from Wuhan? It's the same risk to the individual, if you get it. However it's much worse for the population, even worse than if transmissibility is equal but severity 50% worse. There was a Ding post (I think) where modeling estimated that for 10000 people, ~50% increase in severity gave ~125 extra deaths, but 50% increase in transmissibility gave ~930 extra deaths. These numbers are from my fuzzy memory, but the gist is there. The new variant is scary. [edit] Here's the source: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/12/virus-mutation-catastrophe/617531/?utm_source=feed AnnoyBot fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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It's been detected nationally, I bet the November surge has been riding on this strain and the US just hasn't devoted enough (any?) resources to detecting it.
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Blorange posted:It's been detected nationally, I bet the November surge has been riding on this strain and the US just hasn't devoted enough (any?) resources to detecting it. Ding ding ding The CDC should be proactively studying and sequencing random samples to track the mutations. I seriously bet that it's a huge part of the Covid explosion in SoCal
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CaptainCrunch posted:Is the mutation enough to render the vaccine useless against it? no
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CaptainCrunch posted:Is the mutation enough to render the vaccine useless against it? The vaccine does have a protective effect against this strain, you won't die, you'll just become what is commonly known as a "Flesh Reaper"
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prick with tenure posted:If it’s an anti-vax thing, did pharmacist man think by leaving the vaccines out he was making them harmless to the people getting the injection? Because he didn’t do anything to stop the injections themselves. And reading a little more about the story it doesn’t sound he made any moves to go undetected for more than a couple days, so it’s not like he could have thought he was preventing these people from getting the real shot soon anyway. Just an Ima throw myself on the gears and do my little tiny part at the cost of my entire career kind of thing, I guess. But then why not just throw the vials out and be done with it? Hard to discern the guy’s thought process. Apparently his plan was to ruin the vaccines and then give them to people so they'd then catch covid and prove that vaccines don't work https://twitter.com/ZackDavisson/status/1344811166984413185 If he'd just poured them down the sink and replaced them with saline solution he probably would never have been caught
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CaptainCrunch posted:Is the mutation enough to render the vaccine useless against it? Very recent and strong evidence that the UK variant doesn't break immunity: Winn Haynes via Twitter posted:We used our database of 579 COVID patient samples to evaluate immune evasion the UK variant (B.1.1.7). Overall takeaway is reassuring: we see no evidence that the reported mutations would substantially increase reinfection risk or decrease vaccine efficacy Efforts are underway to reproduce a study with the SA variant, which has significantly more spike mutations/deletions.
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prick with tenure posted:If it’s an anti-vax thing, did pharmacist man think by leaving the vaccines out he was making them harmless to the people getting the injection? Because he didn’t do anything to stop the injections themselves. And reading a little more about the story it doesn’t sound he made any moves to go undetected for more than a couple days, so it’s not like he could have thought he was preventing these people from getting the real shot soon anyway. Just an Ima throw myself on the gears and do my little tiny part at the cost of my entire career kind of thing, I guess. But then why not just throw the vials out and be done with it? Hard to discern the guy’s thought process. Maybe they wanted to incite copycats? Chuds believe strongly in the "silent majority" myth, maybe this one expects a bunch of other medical workers to start doing similar things You're right though, it's hard to know what they were actually thinking E: Ah didn't see the latest update, I guess the plan all along was to not get caught but for some of those people getting the spoiled vaccine to complain about it when they get coronavirus later So this person is just stupid, basically. Even the most effective vaccine is not 100% effective, there were already going to be individuals that antivaxxers could point to as evidence for their mistaken conclusions QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jan 1, 2021 |
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Had anyone posted in here about the UK gov's decision to extend the time for a second dose of the two vaccines from 3 weeks to 3 months, discarding the fact that for one of the vaccines none of the trials involved that sort of timescale so we literally have no idea what effect it will have? For gently caress's sake.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Apparently his plan was to ruin the vaccines and then give them to people so they'd then catch covid and prove that vaccines don't work loving rear end in a top hat. It's not as if we don't know that you can still catch the virus after being vaccinated!
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Bape Culture posted:I thought some sciency goon speculated it wasn’t actually more transmissible it had just hit a super spreader event almost immediately or something like that? A number of posters suggested that the idea the the increased transmission was just poor measures/compliance and the variant was a cover to allow further lockdown efforts? Seemed like a stretch, and also, provably not true: ""Jeffrey Barret via Twitter" posted:Using different models (lots more detail in the paper), spatial resolutions, and either the genomes or S-gene dropout to track B.1.1.7, the conclusion is very consistent: about a 0.5 additive increase to R. paper here
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Akuma posted:Had anyone posted in here about the UK gov's decision to extend the time for a second dose of the two vaccines from 3 weeks to 3 months, discarding the fact that for one of the vaccines none of the trials involved that sort of timescale so we literally have no idea what effect it will have? Also the second dose might be a different vaccine if they don't have the same one stocked that day https://twitter.com/dannyjnwong/status/1344956389148520448
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Bape Culture posted:I thought some sciency goon speculated it wasn’t actually more transmissible it had just hit a super spreader event almost immediately or something like that? Yeah we were pretty sceptical because it there wasn't any strong evidence and the gov was hugely playing it up to cover their own incompetence. However there has been a bunch of new evidence come out since then so it really is looking like the new variant is more transmissible. Which sucks.
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