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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Also the second dose might be a different vaccine if they don't have the same one stocked that day That seems like a very bad idea.
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xcheopis posted:That seems like a very bad idea. Maybe. No one knows!
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Akuma posted:Had anyone posted in here about the UK gov's decision to extend the time for a second dose of the two vaccines from 3 weeks to 3 months, discarding the fact that for one of the vaccines none of the trials involved that sort of timescale so we literally have no idea what effect it will have?
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Scarodactyl posted:Weirdly some immunologists are saying it makes sense and there's a general phenomenon of boosters being more effective after a longer wait across all vaccine types, in addition to the limited AZ data supporting the move. So this might actually not be as bad an idea as it seems. Aren't boosters typically the same vaccine though?
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xcheopis posted:Aren't boosters typically the same vaccine though? Boosting with a different style of vaccine is sometimes done and can yield good results. But typically the order matters I think? And usually it would be done with complementary approaches like dead vs live attenuated? It is not an insane thing to try....in a clinical trial. On a population level it's a damned desperate move. If you're that desperate maybe something like a legit lockdown would be more sensible.
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QuarkJets posted:Maybe they wanted to incite copycats? Chuds believe strongly in the "silent majority" myth, maybe this one expects a bunch of other medical workers to start doing similar things If it’s the silent majority thing why not just throw the vials out? But at least this makes sense of why he didn’t really try to avoid getting caught. The “I’m gonna try to convince people the vaccine doesn’t work” thing doesn’t make any sense either. If he believes the vaccine doesn’t work then there’s no need to tamper with the vials. If he does think the vaccine works why would he be anti-vax? Maybe he thinks they do work but the risks outweigh the benefit so he just tried to convince people they don’t work at all?? Or maybe it’s the full psycho thing that he thinks the vaccine works but wants to cause as much suffering as possible by convincing people it doesn’t work? But if it’s either of those why so little effort to avoid getting caught before the people who got the shot start getting sick? It’s like six to ten years to get a pharmacy degree after HS in the US, that’s why it’s so weird. I’d expect what he did to make some kind of sense if he was prepared to blow his whole career for it. Just a total dumbass, maybe.
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6 to 10 years to mostly be a drugstore cashier. Jesus Christ. I've always wondered why anyone would want to be a pharmacist, they always seem stressed out. it looks like a lovely job.
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Maybe he got some of that nasty post-covid psychosis (psycovid?)
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Medical officials in Tennessee have already been caught letting their friends and relatives jump the queue and get vaccinated way ahead of schedule, after they'd turned away others and told them they'd run out of doses https://twitter.com/calliestarnes/status/1345023735879917568 https://twitter.com/calliestarnes/status/1345090708210855938
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AnnoyBot posted:It's the same risk to the individual, if you get it. However it's much worse for the population, even worse than if transmissibility is equal but severity 50% worse. So its going to be our biggest post Brexit export?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Medical officials in Tennessee have already been caught letting their friends and relatives jump the queue and get vaccinated way ahead of schedule, after they'd turned away others and told them they'd run out of doses This was to be expected but it still makes me irrationally angry. Every single one who received their vaccine that way should be charged with a felony. And those who gave it should have manslaugther charges x the vaccines given or something for denying other's who were higher risk the vaccine.
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Hopper posted:This was to be expected but it still makes me irrationally angry. Every single one who received their vaccine that way should be charged with a felony. And those who gave it should have manslaugther charges x the vaccines given or something for denying other's who were higher risk the vaccine. rupert murdoch got his and hes most of the reason anti vax poo poo is on tv
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Thanks. Blitter posted:Very recent and strong evidence that the UK variant doesn't break immunity: Thank you. Appreciate the effort.
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The Glumslinger posted:Ding ding ding In the UK we've had stories stating that we're finding these variants because we do a lot of sequencing of samples, including for other countries (I heard a claim of 45% of all the covid sequencing is done in the UK?), and that's why they were also saying about another even-more transmissible variant from South Africa almost immediately afterwards (and to try to deflect attention from #PlagueIsland trending, I suspect...)
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Robo Reagan posted:rupert murdoch got his and hes most of the reason anti vax poo poo is on tv What does he need one for? Aren't lichs immune to disease already?
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Blorange posted:It's been detected nationally, I bet the November surge has been riding on this strain and the US just hasn't devoted enough (any?) resources to detecting it. Robo Reagan posted:rupert murdoch got his and hes most of the reason anti vax poo poo is on tv
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Scarodactyl posted:Weirdly some immunologists are saying it makes sense and there's a general phenomenon of boosters being more effective after a longer wait across all vaccine types, in addition to the limited AZ data supporting the move. So this might actually not be as bad an idea as it seems. It seems kinda immoral to try this poo poo on without trials to back it up. What if mixing vaccines causes some sort of hosed immune response or something like that?
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HoAssHo posted:6 to 10 years to mostly be a drugstore cashier. Jesus Christ. I've always wondered why anyone would want to be a pharmacist, they always seem stressed out. it looks like a lovely job. Pharmacists are paid well. That's all it is Degreed pharmacists specifically, not pharmacy technicians
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Zugzwang posted:I wonder if any single human being has done more damage to humanity, ever, than Rupert Murdoch.
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gay picnic defence posted:It seems kinda immoral to try this poo poo on without trials to back it up. What if mixing vaccines causes some sort of hosed immune response or something like that? Mixing them willy nilly is far less defensible outside of a controlled trial. It will probably be OK but that isn't a good basis for health policy. Definitely a good thing to test in clinical trials which should already be starting up. If you're going to make big, desperate moves (as the situation warrants) how about a big lockdown with money and supplies for people instead? Seems like a much less risky move.
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HoAssHo posted:6 to 10 years to mostly be a drugstore cashier. Jesus Christ. I've always wondered why anyone would want to be a pharmacist, they always seem stressed out. it looks like a lovely job. Hospital pharmacists have interesting jobs that utilize their training, but that only accounts for something like 20% of the available positions. Everyone goes into the field thinking they will get these coveted clinical jobs, but most end up working in the salt mines of CVS. That's just another reason why this person's actions are so baffling. They had one of the good jobs and just threw it all away.
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prick with tenure posted:If it’s the silent majority thing why not just throw the vials out? But at least this makes sense of why he didn’t really try to avoid getting caught. The conspiracy world is pretty animated over the mRNA vaccines (presumably because they don't have the adjuvants and preservatives that they like to say are the evil thing in traditional vaccines so they ahve to come up with a whole new conspiracy), claiming they rewrite all of the DNA in your body for... reasons. If he's a believer in those conspiracies *and* aware of how fragile the vaccines are, his actions make sense - he's "saving" the patients by deactivating the evil mRNA, without having to deal with the brainwashed sheeple demanding their jabs that he'd have got if he just refused to give them. Admittedly this requires a pretty narrow window of knowledge and conspiracism (and dumbness in presumably believing he wouldn't get caught) but it's a big world and the chances of him - and others - being in that sweet spot are probably pretty high.
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Just remember why someone would do it doesn't make sense so don't try to make sense of it. They're anti-logic and anti-reality because they are very loving dumb and also insane. (they also probably make up like 40% of the population at least judging by how many people voted trump) hemale in pain fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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Boy seeing people celebrate the New Year at parties and going out to eat with their families is not at all loving upsetting. The loving Swedish prime minister got caught going to a mall two days for a loving watch after having a big statement on how we need to avoid the sales after Xmas in stores or need to keep our distance. Other officials have been caught doing similar as well. Why do I wear a mask at all when maybe half the population does on a good day? Why do I feel guilty wanting to go downtown masked up and buy something that isn’t groceries? Why did I stay in Sweden for the holidays instead of visiting loved ones in the US? Others traveled to the ski slopes or South Africa or try and get back to England to see family. Sure I survived a zoom call and it was nice and all but clearly I could have just gone to my mom’s like usual because others did. I feel like an idiot caring and trying to do the right thing, which I know is loving stupid. But gently caress I’m angry and exhausted of it all. I know I need to keep at it and keep doing what is really bare minimum to try and hinder the spread. But seeing others clearly not care is sucking the life out of me. I feel so spoiled for complaining because I haven’t had it affect me directly as much as others, but Jesus gently caress I feel like screaming into a pillow for hours. I cannot imagine being a healthcare worker during any of this. teen witch fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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teen witch posted:Boy seeing people celebrate the New Year at parties and going out to eat with their families is not at all loving upsetting. The loving Swedish prime minister got caught going to a mall two days for a loving watch after having a big statement on how we need to avoid the sales after Xmas in stores or need to keep our distance. Other officials have been caught doing similar as well. You chose the wrong scandi country to live in, assuming it was a choice. I feel your anger though. Tonnes of people did the right thing, and the thing keeping everything locked down in Denmark is a bunch of either boomers in nursing homes having parties with 90 people present or my fellow millennials going shopping with their spouse and kids in tow in the smallest supermarkets in the country. gently caress. Just stay at home and we can all get out sooner, but noooooooo aunty Gertrud just turned 85 and is still somehow alive with advanced dementia and we just have to invite everyone and their dog. My mom works in a covid trace call center and it's an endless barrage of idiots who either can't or won't isolate with their nearest families. MENA Boomer men are especially bad because they apparently have mens only clubs where they meet, while their wives and children stay at home not meeting with anyone else. Next on the list are 18-25 with no symptoms who partied and partied, and then the idiots who went to Sweden to do their late Christmas shopping because, and I quote, "everything is open there, it's fine".
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Akuma posted:Had anyone posted in here about the UK gov's decision to extend the time for a second dose of the two vaccines from 3 weeks to 3 months, discarding the fact that for one of the vaccines none of the trials involved that sort of timescale so we literally have no idea what effect it will have? sounds like a BREXIT!
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teen witch posted:Boy seeing people celebrate the New Year at parties and going out to eat with their families is not at all loving upsetting. The loving Swedish prime minister got caught going to a mall two days for a loving watch after having a big statement on how we need to avoid the sales after Xmas in stores or need to keep our distance. Other officials have been caught doing similar as well. This is the most exhausting part, honestly. There are just terrible incentives all around--bad behaviour goes relatively unpunished for most offenders while good behaviour is basically a punishment in itself because of the isolation. Meanwhile, media is full of jackasses smugging it up for everyone and it's plastered everywhere because it ~drives engagement~ and people staying in to do another jigsaw puzzle or do another Zoom call with their parents just get ignored. Idiots get tons of reinforcement just from seeing their actions mirrored everywhere, they're further encouraged by the complete absence of leadership in most countries, and it feels like people who do the right thing get practically no support from anywhere so we have to dig deep and find the will to do it all again every new day.
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Trying at all in Sweden is pointless since almost no one uses masks etc. Stuff like gyms have been open for the entire pandemic and they've been packed etc
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hemale in pain posted:Just remember why someone would do it doesn't make sense so don't try to make sense of it. They're anti-logic and anti-reality because they are very loving dumb and also insane. It really amazes me how long it took someone to point out that the irrational action was almost assuredly backed by irrational motivations so there isnt much point in trying to find a scenario where his decision made sense.
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teen witch posted:Boy seeing people celebrate the New Year at parties and going out to eat with their families is not at all loving upsetting. The loving Swedish prime minister got caught going to a mall two days for a loving watch after having a big statement on how we need to avoid the sales after Xmas in stores or need to keep our distance. Other officials have been caught doing similar as well. Oof. People stare at me like I'm insane for going out to do my groceries with double masks and face shield. If you ever dare to say someone to mask on facebook or how wrong was to make a big party, they will instantly get mad and say you are just ~*jealous*~. Jealous of getting sick, dying or killing others, I guess. Anyway, the neighbors next door had a parade of visitors during New Year. It's an old couple, the lady got a heart surgery years ago and it's on a forever special diet and medication, her husband is/was a chain smoker with diabetes. They are like the type that would fall like flies, yet their sons,daughters and friends seem to not give two shits.
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I came across a very :3 video by a Norwegian biostatistician, who illustrates various outcomes of different R0 values with crocheting. Each sample starts with 10 infected, and there are 9 generations of spread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lxKUulMxH8 R0 = 1.2  R0 = 1.5  Current value achieved with mandates in the US varies between 1.2 and 1.5 R0 = 2.0  R0 = 2.5  That's 15259 cases from 10 in 9 generations. The UK variant is going to loving tear poo poo up.
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teen witch posted:The loving Swedish prime minister got caught going to a mall two days for a loving watch after having a big statement on how we need to avoid the sales after Xmas in stores or need to keep our distance. Other officials have been caught doing similar as well. FoolyCharged posted:It really amazes me how long it took someone to point out that the irrational action was almost assuredly backed by irrational motivations so there isnt much point in trying to find a scenario where his decision made sense.
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teen witch posted:Boy seeing people celebrate the New Year at parties and going out to eat with their families is not at all loving upsetting. The loving Swedish prime minister got caught going to a mall two days for a loving watch after having a big statement on how we need to avoid the sales after Xmas in stores or need to keep our distance. Other officials have been caught doing similar as well. There’s a few ways I help deal with what your describing above: 1. YOU are NOT alone. There are millions if not billions of people doing what you are, making the right decisions. You never see them, because they rarely go out of their homes. You are mostly seeing the people that don’t. If you are not a front line/essential service worker, you are being a hero of sorts by doing the right things and protecting others with your actions. 2. Humans default to their “fight or flight” systems when facing a threat. You can’t run from something you can’t see, so I feel the people that fall into the flight grouping just try to ignore it all, and tell themselves it’s not a threat, or “it’s not that bad”. The threat is so great to their personal freedoms that they take (possible unconsciously) the selfish route. People that fall into the fight category (you and me), choose to educate themselves, choose to search out the facts, choose to isolate, and when we do go out (groceries/medicine/forced to go to work) we choose to wear a mask, social distance, make indoor shopping visits as short as possible, wash our hands, etc. We are choosing to protect ourselves and others. WE are the compassionate ones. 3. I also tell myself this everyday: Would I feel worse than I do right now if I let my guard down, even a little, and got sick/put others at risk? The answer is always a resounding YES. So I take pride in the right decisions I choose to make. It’s hard to make the right choices as we can’t see the impact we’re making, because it’s drowned out by all the people making poor decisions mainly because their brain tells them to as part of their built in threat response system. I don’t know you at all, but I respect you, and applaud your decision to make the right choices. Many other people share in this as well. You are one of the good ones, and please keep up the fight. You are not alone, and many people WILL benefit from your correct decisions, even if they don’t realize it.
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Kragger99 posted:There’s a few ways I help deal with what your describing above: Not OP, but I needed to hear this today. Thank you.
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poverty goat posted:can we call it the england virus now The Hubris strain.
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Kragger99 posted:There’s a few ways I help deal with what your describing above: Also not OP but this is good poo poo, thanks.
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Desperado Bones posted:Oof. People stare at me like I'm insane for going out to do my groceries with double masks and face shield. If you ever dare to say someone to mask on facebook or how wrong was to make a big party, they will instantly get mad and say you are just ~*jealous*~. tbf im pretty loving jealous since i have awful asthma and because of that hosed up blood pressure. yeah itd be nice to know i could catch it and have a chance of not dying like most of the population but that poo poo's gonna kill my rear end if i get it lmao
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