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Umbra Dubium posted:Well there was that thing about third world countries asking for the copyrights on the vaccines to be waived so they could produce it themselves. That was on the conventional vaccines (none of which I think have made it out of P3 trials yet) that are makeable in conventional vaccine manufacturing facilities, not the mRNA ones (Pfizer, Moderna) or the modified virus ones (AZ, Sputnik), which require sophisticated and specialist manufacturing. Given that the two main inactivated-virus contenders are from China I can *certainly* see them implementing a Belt And Road And Hypodermic Needle policy, and making Very Serious People bloviate even more about their growing influence in the world and wondering how they can combat this with more aeroplanes that are too expensive to leave the country.
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look I don't think it's likely that everyone posting about Starmer quitting will cause a great reflective spiritual vibration in the fabric of probabilistic space time leading to the collective power of the mass unconscious creating a sympathetic quantum flux in the matrix of possible timeline fissures resulting in the manifestation of a resignation in the material realm, but it's worth a try innit can't believe starmer is leaving, wow
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Jan 2, 2021 20:35
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No ifs, no buts Starmer Out
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Also a good album by composer John Zorn and one of his many groups, Electric Masada.
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Personally I think Starmer should stay and fight the good fight. (I hope he reads this he always does the opposite of what I want)
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I’d love a news person to just point out that scientific advice doesn’t tell you what to do - it gives you some facts and some estimates and some predictions with x% certainty and you use them to balance out other factors and make a decision. The fact this is so poorly understood, and literally never, ever talked about or acknowledged also boils my piss. I’ve told you a lot of things boil my piss today I do realise. It makes me wonder if they’re all just not saying that for political reasons or there genuinely is nobody in the political and media sphere world who understands how policy and science interact, even the very basics of that dynamic.
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Jakabite posted:I’d love a news person to just point out that scientific advice doesn’t tell you what to do - it gives you some facts and some estimates and some predictions with x% certainty and you use them to balance out other factors and make a decision. The fact this is so poorly understood, and literally never, ever talked about or acknowledged also boils my piss. I’ve told you a lot of things boil my piss today I do realise. It makes me wonder if they’re all just not saying that for political reasons or there genuinely is nobody in the political and media sphere world who understands how policy and science interact, even the very basics of that dynamic. they just can't be hosed doing their jobs https://twitter.com/fleetstreetfox/status/1344928915182202886?s=20
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Jose posted:they just can't be hosed doing their jobs Love to not actually do any investigative journalism in case I get removed from the WhatsApp briefing group and I get told off by the government :-(
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https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1345459896335085572 And the Boxing Day Sales have started.
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Jakabite posted:I’d love a news person to just point out that scientific advice doesn’t tell you what to do - it gives you some facts and some estimates and some predictions with x% certainty and you use them to balance out other factors and make a decision. The fact this is so poorly understood, and literally never, ever talked about or acknowledged also boils my piss. I’ve told you a lot of things boil my piss today I do realise. It makes me wonder if they’re all just not saying that for political reasons or there genuinely is nobody in the political and media sphere world who understands how policy and science interact, even the very basics of that dynamic. if anything, over the past year mainstream press have been far more indulgent of attacks on the normally-widely-accepted authority of public health experts to plan public health based on traditional metrics (aggregate QALYs etc), both from the right and the left - this even leading to observable impacts in the way SAGE is issuing advice within weeks
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Jose posted:i read the replies and lmao The Sun has published pictures of celebs in hospital multiple times, not to mention all of the other spectacularly illegal and unethical things they've done to let us know that someone from Big Brother is shagging someone else from Big Brother (and of course lectured us all on the importance of a free press). But of course none of that threatens the Establishment.
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ronya posted:if anything, over the past year mainstream press have been far more indulgent of attacks on the normally-widely-accepted authority of public health experts to plan public health based on traditional metrics (aggregate QALYs etc), both from the right and the left - this even leading to observable impacts in the way SAGE is issuing advice within weeks This isn’t about attacking public health experts. It’s about the completely false framing of scientific advice being the whole picture. It never has been at this level, never will be, and literally cannot be. Sure, they can advise on how to do certain things - for example, I imagine SAGE can give a pretty decent plan of how to save the most lives, but that inevitably has to be balanced against a number of other factors including whether that plan can even be carried out with current resources. A government can’t just ‘follow scientific advice’ because scientific advice is one tool that can give certain information, which then need to be synthesised with all of the other scientific advice (and yes there is balancing to be done there), as well as other factors. To anyone who knows anything about science, policy making, public health or crisis management, this is lesson 1. Follow the scientific advice is not something that you can do because it intrinsically does not make sense in the real world as a statement.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1345459896335085572 Yeah when the FT COVID guy, who AFAIK has been pretty level headed since March, calls a trend genuinely scary, get ready for some sub-optimal outcomes
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'we really want to show you but we might lose our job' is the weakest poo poo ever when you're a journalist. Like you wouldn't be set for life with that kind of scoop. The actual issue is we don't have journalists anymore.
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Pencils R Cool posted:Love to not actually do any investigative journalism in case I get removed from the WhatsApp briefing group and I get told off by the government :-( hmm if only there were some people who were inside the wards and could tell us what they're like though that would require a journalist talking to a member of the public so obviously it'll never happen
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OwlFancier posted:I don't remember mega racism in mountains of madness, even if the entire conceit of it is weirdly fashy. The story of Mountains of Madness might as well be "aliens find the journals of Southern plantation owners documenting the revolution". The Old Ones' writings tell a very good tale of the Shoggoths being bestial and unintelligent and talking in a grotesque parody of their language and all that, but we only have their word for it. Of course, H.P. Sauce's viewpoint character believes it implicitly and is scared shitless by the thought that something non human might still be alive down there.
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Julio Cruz posted:hmm if only there were some people who were inside the wards and could tell us what they're like that doesn't sound very objective or balanced. we should broadcast one person in a ward being made to argue with another person who runs a blog about how hospitals aren't real
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Angepain posted:look I don't think it's likely that everyone posting about Starmer quitting will cause a great reflective spiritual vibration in the fabric of probabilistic space time leading to the collective power of the mass unconscious creating a sympathetic quantum flux in the matrix of possible timeline fissures resulting in the manifestation of a resignation in the material realm, but it's worth a try innit If that worked, Corbyn would be Prime Minister right now just from this thread
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Dabir posted:The story of Mountains of Madness might as well be "aliens find the journals of Southern plantation owners documenting the revolution". The Old Ones' writings tell a very good tale of the Shoggoths being bestial and unintelligent and talking in a grotesque parody of their language and all that, but we only have their word for it. Of course, H.P. Sauce's viewpoint character believes it implicitly and is scared shitless by the thought that something non human might still be alive down there. Shoggoths came up a lot in his stories and they were invisible and rowdy
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Dabir posted:The story of Mountains of Madness might as well be "aliens find the journals of Southern plantation owners documenting the revolution". The Old Ones' writings tell a very good tale of the Shoggoths being bestial and unintelligent and talking in a grotesque parody of their language and all that, but we only have their word for it. Of course, H.P. Sauce's viewpoint character believes it implicitly and is scared shitless by the thought that something non human might still be alive down there. You certainly can read it that way, though I also think it works in the way he probably intended it. It is entirely reasonable that they did just end up getting eaten by their not-very-intelligent but extremely dangerous beasts of burden because they spent too much time being decadent and not maintaining their glorious empire or whatever. Like I said the conceit is pretty fashy but so was he so it's reasonable to assume he might have meant it exactly as it was written. Regarde Aduck posted:Shoggoths came up a lot in his stories and they were invisible and rowdy Are they invisible? The one with the goatman and the invisble monster is a different thing, I think? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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Julio Cruz posted:hmm if only there were some people who were inside the wards and could tell us what they're like Yeah but if that person is critical of the government in any way, shape or form you get to doxx him on Twitter because he was briefly a Labour member 15 years ago, then tut at Mean Uncivil Lefties for disapproving of your This Is Him Here strategy for the pleasure of your Sensible Blue Tick friends.
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Regarde Aduck posted:'we really want to show you but we might lose our job' is the weakest poo poo ever when you're a journalist. Like you wouldn't be set for life with that kind of scoop. The actual issue is we don't have journalists anymore. I played at journalism in school because I liked writing things. Couldn't do it in real life because I hate confrontation and would run away in shame if I annoyed anyone doing it. Why are the real-life journalists behaving like journalist me? Jakabite posted:This isn’t about attacking public health experts. It’s about the completely false framing of scientific advice being the whole picture. It never has been at this level, never will be, and literally cannot be. Sure, they can advise on how to do certain things - for example, I imagine SAGE can give a pretty decent plan of how to save the most lives, but that inevitably has to be balanced against a number of other factors including whether that plan can even be carried out with current resources. A government can’t just ‘follow scientific advice’ because scientific advice is one tool that can give certain information, which then need to be synthesised with all of the other scientific advice (and yes there is balancing to be done there), as well as other factors. To anyone who knows anything about science, policy making, public health or crisis management, this is lesson 1. Follow the scientific advice is not something that you can do because it intrinsically does not make sense in the real world as a statement. Sounds like the ought-is problem again. No such thing as 100% evidence-based policy making, no matter how sensible you want to be. At some point you have to choose which things are good and which ones are bad. Like the wise man said.
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Jakabite posted:This isn’t about attacking public health experts. It’s about the completely false framing of scientific advice being the whole picture. It never has been at this level, never will be, and literally cannot be. Sure, they can advise on how to do certain things - for example, I imagine SAGE can give a pretty decent plan of how to save the most lives, but that inevitably has to be balanced against a number of other factors including whether that plan can even be carried out with current resources. A government can’t just ‘follow scientific advice’ because scientific advice is one tool that can give certain information, which then need to be synthesised with all of the other scientific advice (and yes there is balancing to be done there), as well as other factors. To anyone who knows anything about science, policy making, public health or crisis management, this is lesson 1. Follow the scientific advice is not something that you can do because it intrinsically does not make sense in the real world as a statement. to be clear, the status quo is one where experts may be asked to issue not just scientific advice but also ethical advice - not just means but also ends. Govts have essentially opted to devolve advice in this area to experts (reflecting, really, that subject matter experts in this area enjoy rather higher levels of public trust than legislatures or executive governments). That's a political decision in itself but not one which people are much interested in directly contesting in many matters of governance there's levels of mandates issued to expert advice and different groups of subjects/experts receive varying levels of mandates. Some of these are be readily codified as part of the planning process - hence equalities impact assessments, environment impact assessments, etc. - but others can evolve rapidly public health normally receives a massive degree of latitude to advise over multiple areas of life that goes unchallenged (normally, anyway). it's certainly received elevated scrutiny over the past year; even so this has just taken the form of poking WHO, FDA, SAGE, MHRA, etc. alphabet soups to consider more factors, rather than mainstream politicians openly arguing to displace expertise in this area with some alternative source of authority. Mostly, anyway. ronya fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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Bobstar posted:Why are the real-life journalists behaving like journalist me? Also journos absolutely are poo poo, but lets not pretend that if a journo actually went and did their job at a hospital, that any editor would have the balls to print it.
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Regarde Aduck posted:'we really want to show you but we might lose our job' is the weakest poo poo ever when you're a journalist. Like you wouldn't be set for life with that kind of scoop. The actual issue is we don't have journalists anymore. set for life how? through what mechanism? people who do actual journalism generally get either sidelined into irrelevance or chased out of the country/besieged in embassies being a good journalist is basically career poison
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Jakabite posted:I’d love a news person to just point out that scientific advice doesn’t tell you what to do - it gives you some facts and some estimates and some predictions with x% certainty and you use them to balance out other factors and make a decision. The fact this is so poorly understood, and literally never, ever talked about or acknowledged also boils my piss.
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Jose posted:i'm reporting this post to the brexit police for using a funny character What, like... Basil Brush?
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Dabir posted:The story of Mountains of Madness might as well be "aliens find the journals of Southern plantation owners documenting the revolution". The Old Ones' writings tell a very good tale of the Shoggoths being bestial and unintelligent and talking in a grotesque parody of their language and all that, but we only have their word for it. Of course, H.P. Sauce's viewpoint character believes it implicitly and is scared shitless by the thought that something non human might still be alive down there. dunno why I never arrived at that take on shoggoths despite the rest of Lovecraft's whole, you know, racial thing i like it
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Communist Thoughts posted:set for life how? through what mechanism? Don't forget the one who exposed the Panama Papers getting car bombed in Malta. Weird how nothing ever came of all that, huh? What a world we live in.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I think we should have a general election. I concur. Primarily to see the Lib Dems have fewer seats than the DUP, Shinners, or Plaid, and match the SDLP. 
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I think we should have a general election. Remember that annual parliamentary elections is the one unfulfilled demand of the people's charter. I think the army also demanded annual elections during the Putney debates. Basically previous generations of British radicals were committed to the idea and our constitution continues to be a terrible let down.
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Well gee, too bad the current government doesn't have to call an election for another four years, and has no reason whatsoever to do so any earlier.
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Payndz posted:Well gee, too bad the current government doesn't have to call an election for another four years, and has no reason whatsoever to do so any earlier. lmao somehow I was still thinking the next election was 2022 per FTPA, guess I hadnt updated my mental calendar there. ah well
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