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sean10mm posted:Plus I mean once your embodiment of female awesomeness spends 65 years pining over a dude she met that one time so she can inadvertently steal another man's body to put her memories of her dead boyfriend in him and screw him almost immediately... I dunno, man. That's not hosed up subtext, that's just "poo poo the movie did BUT WHY?!" It's weird that the movie simultaneously makes the point that many decades have passed and also has Diana behave as if the events of the first film happened a few weeks ago.
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smug jeebus posted:Yo, this blog is awesome thanks for posting it McCloud posted:It is fascinating for the detail it goes into the Spartan life , but also a bit annoying that they're kind of misunderstanding the film. Like yeah, Spartan society is supremely hosed up and they abuse kids and indoctrinate them in a manner we'd compare to child soldiers, this is a big hint that the Spartans aren't really heroic figures.
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teagone posted:It veers off hard sci-fi into horror slasher territory which is a reason a lot of people don't like the movie. I get it, and feel the jarring shift in tone is a valid criticism. I like it though. The revelation of what happened to Icarus 1 is a neat twist and Pinbacker is weird as gently caress and gross. His character's commentary on god and religion is something I found super interesting. If that tone shift hadn't happened Sunshine was gearing up to be one of my favorite movies of all time. I really wanted it to end with a meditative look on whether humanity deserved saving.
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Lol if they'd cut the mall scene they would have a superhero movie sequel with literally no superhero action for like what, the first 70 minutes? The amazon race is just an exaggerated decathalon, and doesnt feature your main actress.
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ketchup vs catsup posted:If that tone shift hadn't happened Sunshine was gearing up to be one of my favorite movies of all time. I mean, that's still what we got. It's like saying the tone shift in 2001 is out of place.
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VinylonUnderground posted:I mean, that's still what we got. It's like saying the tone shift in 2001 is out of place. I don't remember Sunshine that way, but I also think 2001 is a garbage tier movie.
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ketchup vs catsup posted:If that tone shift hadn't happened Sunshine was gearing up to be one of my favorite movies of all time. But it did, and said yes. Pinbaker is pretty meditative in his violent sabotage
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ketchup vs catsup posted:I really wanted it to end with a meditative look on whether humanity deserved saving. That's honestly the best part of the DCAU version of Red Son, where Diana just decides "gently caress all of this and gently caress *you* too" and withdraws forever from the world of men when Soviet Superman decides to go HAM on the US. Seriously, even the worst DCAU Wonder Woman movie (Bloodlines >.>) is better than the two live-action ones. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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ketchup vs catsup posted:I don't remember Sunshine that way, but I also think 2001 is a garbage tier movie. I don't see how you would like Sunshine at all if you don't like 2001.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Seriously, even the worst DCAU Wonder Woman movie (Bloodlines >.>) is better than the two live-action ones. WW: Bloodlines is weird, but I like that they took inspiration from Eyes of the Gorgon for the big fight at the end. The 2009 animated Wonder Woman owns though. I really wish they went hard into the Greek myth aspect of Diana's character instead of doing this garbo 1984 period piece for her second live-action film.
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Jenkins was more interested in exploring the interesting mileu of the Wonder Woman TV series and Superman III than Greek myth or anything connecting to modern superhero movies.
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Blood Boils posted:But it did, and said yes. Pinbaker is pretty meditative in his violent sabotage I think movie could have been more effective in its meditation without the violence. EDIT: VinylonUnderground posted:my issues with 2001 can be said better by noted physicist Freeman Dyson: Freeman Dyson posted:After seeing Space Odyssey, I read Arthur Clarke's book. I found the book gripping and intellectually satisfying, full of the tension and clarity which the movie lacks. All the parts of the movie that are vague and unintelligible, especially the beginning and the end, become clear and convincing in the book. Fate Accomplice fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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ketchup vs catsup posted:I think movie could have been more effective in its meditation without the violence. I dunno there wouldn't be any conflict otherwise, the crew are all sensible utilitarians who know any sacrifice they make is worth it to achive their goal so there kind of needs to be an outside force to shake things up. Plus the 'five crew members' scene owns and I don't want to see a version of Sunshine where it doesn't launch into a horro thriller in the last act
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ketchup vs catsup posted:I think movie could have been more effective in its meditation without the violence. What is the ‘meditation’ on extinguishing all known life in the universe? That’s some Thano nonsense.
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The second half of Sunshine doesn't quite land for me, but I could see exactly what they were trying to do. Pinbacker isn't a human being anymore, he's the personification of a tired Sun-God who just wants to sleep and let his children die. And Capa + the other scientists are his children coming to his palace to say "gently caress you, give me more life." This was made super on-the-nose in a cut scene where Pinbacker calls out to Capa as he's about to enter the bomb activation chamber and says something like "...and God told me to bring all his children to heaven," to which Capa tersely replies "I don't believe in God." Does it work? I think Pinbacker's kills are a little too goofy and slashery to really carry the imagery here. But I could totally see what Danny Boyle was going for.
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Shageletic posted:Jenkins was more interested in exploring the interesting mileu of the Wonder Woman TV series and Superman III than Greek myth or anything connecting to modern superhero movies.
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this movie is awful but i really really liked kristen wiig in it. shes "fun" and does a good job showing childish hurt and teenage angst. pedro carried a ton of water too. the rest is tepid sewage
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Drakyn posted:Thanks. Please check out his piece on war elephants if you haven't already - it's a lovely example of the blog's twin sides of examining both pop culture and history combined, because besides spending a lot of time on the material details of how and why and when they did and didn't and maybe worked, it goes into fun detail on why they're almost always used as a symbol of 'foreign despotism.' You're probably right. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3880957&pagenumber=285#lastpost Welcome...to the Snyder dome
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It would be a better movie if Barbra was the protagonist and Diana was just some random girl she had a crush on. You could have her join up with Lord, and then make the choice to sacrifice her new powers in order to stop him.
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lmao they wanted to cut the two scenes in the movie where something actually happens?
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Imagine keeping the gold armor in lol
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McCloud posted:You're probably right. Thanks, threw it in over there. Apologies for the length, but that should clear this thread of us.
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Neo Rasa posted:Imagine keeping the gold armor in lol Dude, they have 2 million action figures of that armor already made! She needed a different costume or no one would have bought the same model again for this movie's release!
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ketchup vs catsup posted:
ACC is a hardcore child molester and, frankly, not a very good author. Kubrick, on the other hand, never hosed a kid and made a lot of really great movies. I'm OK judging people who favor the mediocre child-molester over the awesome auteur.
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Zzulu posted:Wait, Barbara was gay? I thought she was into Pedro Pascal? Gay can also include bi, so Im just hoping people are saying that and didnt miss the "buying his crap" contrast the movie was making with them?
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VinylonUnderground posted:ACC is a hardcore child molester and, frankly, not a very good author. Kubrick, on the other hand, never hosed a kid and made a lot of really great movies. well this certainly took a turn into unexpected territory. are you judging me for saying the movie doesn't make much sense narratively without the book because I'm supposed to know the book's author molested kids? I've seen a lotta Kubrick and he's great, I just think 2001 is a miss. to me the movie doesn't make much sense without an explanation, which conveniently exists in book form. I understand movies as art, but when you're trying to tell a story, requiring the audience to read a novel to understand the movie is a bridge too far.
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I feel like seeking meaning is the point. The book is just extra crap that no one needs. The narrative leaves more questions than answers, which is good since that's our job. It's like complaining about the physics of reigniting the sun. If you are thinking about poo poo like that then what are you even doing watching this movie?
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I dunno why we’re discussing one of my all time favorite movies (2001) in a thread about “Donald Trump but HANDSOME: the movie” but go ahead I’m all for it.
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Haven’t read the thread yet but just watched it and thought it was hilarious that Diana thought 1900s England was hideous but loved the excess of 1980s America. 
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Diana would join Reagan in congratulating Springsteen for his wonderfully patriotic “Born in the USA”, wouldn’t she?
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Neo Rasa posted:lmao they wanted to cut the two scenes in the movie where something actually happens? 
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Sites are now reporting that its a box office success because it made 100 million overseas so far; in some cases the same sites that were saying Tenet was a bomb because it made 300 million overseas during an even further pandemic scare/height. There's something suspicious about how the press has been rolling out with this movie; its like its actively avoiding negatives or something. Just like the fast tracked sequel reporting and such (and not really reporting the RT drop on release).
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Darko posted:Sites are now reporting that its a box office success because it made 100 million overseas so far; in some cases the same sites that were saying Tenet was a bomb because it made 300 million overseas during an even further pandemic scare/height. WB also has that hush money.
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ruddiger posted:Haven’t read the thread yet but just watched it and thought it was hilarious that Diana thought 1900s England was hideous but loved the excess of 1980s America. Lol oh yeah, I dont even remember Diana having a point of view regarding her surroundings. She seemed to like it? I guess? Wtf was the point of setting it in the 80s other than for the trailer?
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Shageletic posted:Lol oh yeah, I dont even remember Diana having a point of view regarding her surroundings. She seemed to like it? I guess? Cold War nukes and parachute pants, duh.
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Shageletic posted:Lol oh yeah, I dont even remember Diana having a point of view regarding her surroundings. She seemed to like it? I guess? The vaporwave style promo shots?
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teagone posted:Cold War nukes The nuclear threat actually works against the the theme Jenkins was apparently trying to develop here, Diana renouncing Steve and learning not to cheat or whatever lacks any weight at all because the alternative is nuclear annihilation.
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Shageletic posted:Lol oh yeah, I dont even remember Diana having a point of view regarding her surroundings. She seemed to like it? I guess? I think the idea was using the excess of the era as a jumping off point for the wishing stone, people wanting more and all that. But it’s not like the excess of the 80’s ever went away. Though that’s still how pop culture sees things. Plus then they could use the Cold War paranoia for the finale. Though I think that was a bad idea for a number of reasons. But yeah, not using any 80’s music was a really dumb idea. I don’t know how you gently caress that up.
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teagone posted:WB also has that hush money. ... what hush money?
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