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I actually appreciate that Dusa gets fired because she works herself to death and is constantly doing more than she was asked to do and is burning herself out.
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I just hope I don't see her in Asphodel begging for darkness on the corner.
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Jan 3, 2021 05:41
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speaking of, just watched Dusa's VA go from 16 heat to beating 32 on the first try, extremely good vibes
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Jan 3, 2021 06:17
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I can't imagine doing 32 heat without EM4. I feel like anything else you can pile on to replace it is going to make the run much harder than EM4 boss will because that is a lot of points and precious few things to grab for them once you're at 32 that are not overly punishing.
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Jan 3, 2021 06:49
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Nah, if you're doing 32 heat you want to keep EM at 2 so you can get a ton of use out of tight deadline. Having a 7 min deadline is super easy and you don't have to think if you don't have to worry about added armour and a third health bar on hades
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Jan 3, 2021 11:24
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why not em3? is Beefy Cow just too much trouble?
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Jan 3, 2021 11:38
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Just started the game! Attempt 5 died at Theseus (I was hard carried by the Stygian Sword Cursed Slash +2hp on kill, letting me mash tank most things until I stopped being able to tank things when whacking Theseus' shield). Attempt 6 with the Shield (+Doom on Special) got me to Hades himself, but he hits ridiculously hard and it took ages to read his attacks, I just couldn't do it. Just unlocked the spear, see if that helps me. I really need to find a proper balance between diving into the thick of things and standing at a safe distance poking away.
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Jan 3, 2021 12:31
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You’ll eventually get to the point where it’s super easy to read enemies like Theseus (hint: he wastes time walking back pretty much entirely to expose himself to you after a spear throw), probably sooner then a lot of people since idk if I was even clearing Asphodel by then.
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Jan 3, 2021 12:39
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Cow is really deceptively dangerous with any kind of Forced Overtime speed boost. I'd almost say he rivals Dad on just how much health he can chip if you're not careful.
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Jan 3, 2021 12:40
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GreyjoyBastard posted:why not em3? is Beefy Cow just too much trouble? You can if you want to focus and try hard I guess, but even then it'd be easier to set tight deadline to five minutes and try hard that way.
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Jan 3, 2021 12:44
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BrianWilly posted:Cow is really deceptively dangerous with any kind of Forced Overtime speed boost. I'd almost say he rivals Dad on just how much health he can chip if you're not careful. Asterius with FO 2 is just absolute bullshit. His charge is fast enough that it's impossible to run away or dodge from it unless you had some ridiculous luck with Hermes and have like, +3 dashes or monstrous movement speed or both. So you have to rely on leading him to crashing into pillars and walls. Except then, you notice that his collision detection is buggy as gently caress and unless he hits the pillar/wall dead center, he will just drift around/along it and continue the charge and again, unless you have mad Hermes luck, you won't have enough mobility to lead him to another pillar/wall when that happens. So each time he does that move, it's basically a coin toss between you dodging it and you getting hit for at least 30+ damage (I think 30 is the base damage for that ability?). I'm raging but fighting Asterius is basically the only instance where I'm guaranteed to lose DD before Hades, and it always feels incredibly cheap.
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Jan 3, 2021 12:59
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The charge isn't buggy, he's just a really smart bull. You have to dodge near a pillar or the outer wall at a frighteningly close margin for him to crash into it but once you have it down he'll do so consistently. No "video game boss charges into wall" freebies!
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Jan 3, 2021 14:20
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I got this game a couple of weeks ago. Yay. This was also the run where I cleared Elysium for the first time, funnily enough. Back to the grind! Not doing punishments until I clear with all the weapons or the bonus gives me a dupe weapon, I think.
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Jan 3, 2021 14:51
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Boy I sure do love Flame Wheels! Who wants to actually play the game when you can just, you know, not?  Seriously, though, if there is an enemy in your game that you can purchase the privilege of not seeing, I feel like that's a tacit admission that it shouldn't be in the game to begin with.
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Jan 3, 2021 16:33
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Eh theyre not bad just dash around them. Or dash thru a wall
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cheeseboy58 posted:Eh theyre not bad just dash around them. Or dash thru a wall Seconding this. Game is surprisingly loose with what you can dash through and it changes the whole game when you figure out how to use this defensively
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Jan 3, 2021 17:37
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I know how to deal with them. They aren't hard, they're just annoying and not fun to engage with, and the game knows this, which is why you can purchase an item that stops them from showing up. Which, again, feels like one step away from the actual correct design decision, which is to just not include the annoying unfun enemies to begin with.
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Jan 3, 2021 17:41
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Flame wheels with teleport+ increased speed+ armor are fun stuff. Add some shields and forced overtime from heat choices to really have a party.
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I tried Forced Overtime for the first time the other day and I will be seeing speedster flame wheels in my nightmares
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Jan 3, 2021 17:43
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I enjoy the flame wheels. You have to react quickly when they're flying at you, but they don't really do that much damage if you do get hit. They just add a different dynamic.
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Jan 3, 2021 17:48
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bwahahah 32 heat complete, eat it keys: not doing em4, decent boon rolls, turning off forced overtime, stubborn defiance with the cheese to get an extra DD (even with touch of styx dark I woulda lost to normaldad had I not, shamefully), and also holy gently caress I had no idea the aspect of rama was such a potent murder machine, 'specially with twin shot and point-blank shot
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Jan 3, 2021 21:31
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Doomykins posted:The charge isn't buggy, he's just a really smart bull. You have to dodge near a pillar or the outer wall at a frighteningly close margin for him to crash into it but once you have it down he'll do so consistently. No "video game boss charges into wall" freebies! From what I can tell the joke is that the Bull is the smart one of the pair. Btw any standout Boons or Casts or Keepsakes I should aim for? And Hammer buffs on the four starter weapons.
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Phobophilia posted:From what I can tell the joke is that the Bull is the smart one of the pair. Honestly half the fun is really just experimenting. As a general rule of thumb, slow attacks tend to prefer scaling % like Aphrodite, and fast attacks tend to prefer on-hit effects like Zeus (Ares is a little different though because of his delayed effect). While you're starting out, Cerberus' and Skelly's Keepsakes will help keep you alive. Once you get enough health, Hermes' Keepsake is really good with a fast weapon that can clear rooms out quickly like the Fists.
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Jan 4, 2021 00:25
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The keepsake that boosts boon level every 3 encounters is pretty good imo. I wouldn't run it over plume on weapons that like the plume but for slower weapons it's real good. You can do some real nasty stuff when you don't need to pick up a single pom to scale. It also gets a reasonable effect if you throw it on late in the run because you were fishing for specific boons early. Not as broken as having it on for a whole run but pretty good still
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Jan 4, 2021 00:36
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Support Fire triggers from every hit of zeus shield special haha. With Zeus on special, double strike, larger bolt AoE, and Zeus Legendary boon every room is just a fireworks show. 7% pressure points made it mean.
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Jan 4, 2021 01:05
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Zeus Shield is probably my favourite aspect. The rest of the shield aspects can gently caress off and I like that the rest of the weapons all have some variety that I enjoy but that single aspect is so much more fun itself than even the aggregate varied fun ways to beat up lernie with fists
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I cleared Heat 32 just now with the fist. Had 2 revives left in the chamber against Super Dad so I'm feeling pretty good though he killed me the first 32 run Fun times. ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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I played this game for a week before CP2077 came out and then after beating that a friend bought me Escape From Tarkov so I've been playing that with him since. At the time I put this game down I had yet to beat EM4 Hades, I hadn't unlocked the final hidden aspect, and I hadn't gotten the dialogue from Nyx to free Achilles. Had some free time today so I picked up the game again and went with Zag fists + Plume. Beat EM4 without losing a single defiance, got the shield phrase from Chaos, and Nyx gave me the contract after the run LOL!
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Jan 4, 2021 02:33
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God, the sword is awful. I am trying so hard to make it feel good to use and it just never does. I'm this close to just skipping it even when dark thirst chooses it. It doesn't have speed like the fists, it doesn't have range like the spear or the bow, and outside of Arthur, it doesn't even have damage, so what the gently caress does it have? What is the point of this weapon?
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Jan 4, 2021 20:21
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Sword's got versatility. It's not especially good at anything but it's also not especially bad. The main combo is great for stacking DOTs because you can turn the 3 hit into a 4 hit with the dash attack, and the AOE on the special is affected by any boon in that slot. The thrust at the end of the main combo also does a huge shove on enemies that can be pushed around (and Asterius). Basically, Poseidon Poseidon Poseidon. Smash enemies into all the barriers.
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Jan 4, 2021 20:24
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and speaking of poseidon, the sword's aspect of poseidon plus exit wounds leads to extreme comedy
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The sword has amazing flexibility in build/hammer options and great aoe on the special while being a mid point in other functionality.
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Jan 4, 2021 20:55
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I like this game so much I ordered a controller to play it "the right way" but by the time it arrived I had already logged in 40 hours and gotten good enough with mouse + keyboard that it feels frustratingly hard to learn to play with a controller.
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Jan 4, 2021 20:59
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Sword with Double Nova and Hermes boosting the Special is ridiculous. Great AOE and damage regardless of what boon is on the Special. I think it was my second fastest clear.
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Jan 4, 2021 21:08
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Only have 3 hours in and it's super darn cool. Just unlocked the boxing gloves (I didn't see their names) and ready to step into the ring 
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Jan 4, 2021 21:09
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If you’re not going to use the ludicrously busted hidden aspect, poseidon sword lets you go all in on cast. Force Artemis for exit wounds and just burst down everything in sight. Just don’t gently caress yourself with Dionysus or Demeter casts
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My fastest clears are with the Stygian Blade and using the Nemesis aspect specifically. If you're bad with it, git gud!
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Poseidon sword is alright, but Achilles feels so much better for cast builds. Exit Wounds alone is not enough to make up for the gulf in damage between the two, especially since Poseidon's gimmick only works on some casts, while Achilles works with every cast equally well. Empowered special spam seems the closest thing to a sword build that actually feels good to use, but it's hard to get those hammers. The sword's hammers in general just feel kind of underwhelming. I wish the Sword Beams hammer actually scaled with your damage and carried the effects of your boons; that alone might be enough to make me love the sword.
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two unrelated realizations: one, those "survive for 45 seconds" rooms are potentially huge gold sources. i'd always treated it as pure survival, just running in circles to evade foes, but I just had one that was all charging heads and mages, and ripped through them fast enough to earn a full 200 gold. two, according to Steam, 5% of playershave all of skelly's trophies, including the 32-heat run, 5.8% have completed the Achilles quest, so by my calculations the Achilles quest is about equivalent to a 28-heat run. i am just never, ever going to get that dialogue to unlock, am i?
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Speaking of, I rarely see the Survive rooms now, is that only on non-heat runs? Maybe the idea is that Erasus rooms replace those? The Skelly achivement is only the 8- and 16- statues, but yes, the Achilles storyline (and Hypnos/Than storyline) will never seem to actually happen for me. (64 runs in) I do wonder if finishing the epilogue may have bumped those down and will eventually re-appear.
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