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Silver Alicorn posted:iOS is NOT linux! lol yes, just go license a real unix that's being actively developed and not counting down the days to eol in maintenance mode while organizations migrate off of it. lots of choices like macos and, uh...
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RFC2324 posted:HP/UX? Maximum Leader posted:aix was the original linux PCjr sidecar posted:you’re thinking of a/ux
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The_Franz posted:lol yes, just go license a real unix that's being actively developed and not counting down the days to eol in maintenance mode while organizations migrate off of it. lots of choices like macos and, uh... IBM could have had their own UNIX. they are cowards
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Jan 2, 2021 17:41
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Idk I'm just postin'
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they do. it's called z/OS® Unix System Services™, and it provides a fully POSIX-compliant software environment on any z/OS LPAR!
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carry on then posted:they do. it's called z/OS® Unix System Services™, and it provides a fully POSIX-compliant software environment on any z/OS LPAR! they still sell AIX too. often large mainframes at many orgs do have a lot of linux vms on their ibm mainframes, they've offered it for decades now and it's fairly mature
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carry on then posted:they do. it's called z/OS® Unix System Services™, and it provides a fully POSIX-compliant software environment on any z/OS LPAR! Last I checked, which was before ibm bought RH, they actually recommended RH over their own product.
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RFC2324 posted:Last I checked, which was before ibm bought RH, they actually recommended RH over their own product. you can run redhat on z/os, they developed a custom version for their systems w/ them
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Broken Machine posted:they still sell AIX too. often large mainframes at many orgs do have a lot of linux vms on their ibm mainframes, they've offered it for decades now and it's fairly mature isn't aix power-only as of the latest version, which is now 5 years old?
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The_Franz posted:isn't aix power-only as of the latest version, which is now 5 years old? you need their hardware to run it, yes. i think it's possible to virtualize but it's uncommon. although you never really see AIX outside of big commercial operations, it's known for being really well integrated and incredibly stable. i wouldn't say it's fun to administer it or easy to use but it's great for mission critical stuff and what have you, it works well
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Broken Machine posted:you need their hardware to run it, yes. i think it's possible to virtualize but it's uncommon. although you never really see AIX outside of big commercial operations, it's known for being really well integrated and incredibly stable. i wouldn't say it's fun to administer it or easy to use but it's great for mission critical stuff and what have you, it works well there's also
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Broken Machine posted:you need their hardware to run it, yes. i think it's possible to virtualize but it's uncommon. although you never really see AIX outside of big commercial operations, it's known for being really well integrated and incredibly stable. i wouldn't say it's fun to administer it or easy to use but it's great for mission critical stuff and what have you, it works well I've always heard AIX is actually pretty easy, smit(ty) does most things for you and actually shows you how to do poo poo manually if you pay attention. I've never done more than shoulder surf it tho, so grain of salt
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my only experience with aix was getting it to run on an old IBM F80 rs/6000 i had to mess around with. it was pretty straight forward to set up from scratch and configure a few services on, but i didn't get very in depth with it.
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getting gtk running on it involves downloading stuff from a website called bullfreeware (this is the official documented procedure for getting some websphere-related guis working) which was annoying when i had to help someone with it
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RFC2324 posted:I've always heard AIX is actually pretty easy, smit(ty) does most things for you and actually shows you how to do poo poo manually if you pay attention. my first job was AIX admin and it's kind of easy, but if you cant do it in smitty it becomes a hellish nightmare. it's nothing like linux for starters. for example: if you want to change a system parameter you have to go into this custom database called ODM that literally only exists for AIX config. its basically like the windows registry for unix https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_aix_72/generalprogramming/odm.html
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at least circa 2010 a shitton of HMR installs were running on AIX because Epic reasons from a stability standpoint, this was good. from a "we still need to hand-configure the machines from scratch because the only config management system that's sorta available is cfengine, and even that is considered 'too modern' and therefore scary" it was bad also loving ksh in vi mode by default gently caress that
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cfengine haha oh man I haven’t thought about that hunk of poo poo in years
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2021 just might be the year of Linux on the desktop
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Captain Foo posted:2021 just might be the year of Linux on the desktop checks out, I just asked IT to swap out my lovely MacBook for a decent laptop (thinkpad) running a decent os (Debian)
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Nomnom Cookie posted:checks out, I just asked IT to swap out my lovely MacBook for a decent laptop (thinkpad) running a decent os (Debian) you need to talk to someone before you inflict more self harm
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Nomnom Cookie posted:checks out, I just asked IT to swap out my lovely MacBook for a decent laptop (thinkpad) running a decent os (Debian) yikes
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Nomnom Cookie posted:checks out, I just asked IT to swap out my lovely MacBook for a decent laptop (thinkpad) running a decent os (Debian) nice one op
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Thinkpads: Good Debian: Not good. Use Ubuntu LTS or Fedora
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Nomnom Cookie posted:checks out, I just asked IT to swap out my lovely MacBook for a decent laptop (thinkpad) running a decent os (Debian) if you had a functioning IT department they'd tell you to bing it up your rear end
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incredible self ownage
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Thinkpads: Good 
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Thinkpads: Good
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Can someone please explain why Ubuntu is bad? Perhaps point me to a long post setting out the reasons??
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do you think nbsd will re-reg just for this?
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Rufus Ping posted:Can someone please explain why Ubuntu is bad? Perhaps point me to a long post setting out the reasons??
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Gentle Autist posted:you need to talk to someone before you inflict more self harm it feels good once you get used to it
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ubuntu lts is fine, especially since centos is now dead. lol at running fedora on a server
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where's nbsd where you need him to defend his viewpoints the only real issue, I think, was that packages in the universal repository will never ever get updates. The six years support for LTS is only for the core packages. This is an issue because apparently a lot of software depends on installed universe packages to work, and the lack of updates creates a serious security issue. this is just what I heard from his rants. Whether these points are still relevant in 20.04 is for someone else to find out.
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yeah but EPEL is the same poo poo
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ubuntu main and universe is functionally the same as having centos with epel. you can still directly use a vendor provided repo (like nginx) if you must ensure you absolutely have the latest, but you should be doing that anyway if your package isn't in the RHEL/centos repo then you are either relying on a community maintained package or a vendor. it's not magically different
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sounds like this is a laptop not a server also grats on getting off of apple's bullshit. via the acquiring company's hardware lifecycle policy i was finally able to swap a 2016 touchbar trash mbp with some sort of dell and its been extremely needs suiting
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Progressive JPEG posted:sounds like this is a laptop not a server apple sheeple BTFO by this one lovely hunk of plastic trash running linux
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Rufus Ping posted:Can someone please explain why Ubuntu is bad? Perhaps point me to a long post setting out the reasons?? Ubuntu has ZFS and it works great. U until LTS is now better than CentOS because IBM is making CentOS a testing bed for RHEL.
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