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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
there is something structural about the very medium of radio itself that turns peeps into nutters. medium is the message, and the message of radio is reactionary nutjobbery

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FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Just consider the type of person who actually wants to call in to a radio station...

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
Anyone trying a limit buy for GIK on open Monday?

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe

Rolo posted:

Anyone trying a limit buy for GIK on open Monday?

The news has been out there for days, so if you're not already in it, I'd wait for a pullback instead of chasing. There's still at least 2 months until merger. Either grab some premarket if it's not spiking much, or wait a bit imo.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
I’m already in but I also have some extra cash in my brokerage account so I was gonna set a limit and see.

Arzakon
Nov 24, 2002

"I hereby retire from Mafia"
Please turbo me if you catch me in a game.

Rolo posted:

Anyone trying a limit buy for GIK on open Monday?

I increased my position late on Friday I'm thinking of taking profits back to to my previous position if it gets above 15.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe

Rolo posted:

Anyone trying a limit buy for GIK on open Monday?

I set a limit buy for $13.50, it it goes above $14 I'll wait for a pullback or just have FOMO.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

Bored As gently caress posted:

I set a limit buy for $13.50, it it goes above $14 I'll wait for a pullback or just have FOMO.

That’s about what I was planning, I’ve just never tried setting one over the weekend after news. Didn’t know if it would be a waste of time.

Michael Transactions
Nov 11, 2013


Almost like something happened in the early 70s

Michael Transactions
Nov 11, 2013

human garbage bag posted:

Does buying stock in a company actually benefit the company, assuming they don't do a stock sale? I'm wondering if it is morally ok to buy stock in a private prison company. I don't support what they do, but if they give me free money from dividends and don't benefit from me buying stock I don't see the problem.

If you feel bad about it, you can donate al lthe proceeds to a charity or something.

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

Here are some benchmarks for 2020 if you'd like to compare your performance on the year:
  • S&P 500: +16.3%
  • Nasdaq Composite: +43.6% (!)
  • Russell 2000: +18.4%
  • Vanguard Total Bond Market: +7.7%

drunken officeparty
Aug 23, 2006

Agronox posted:

Here are some benchmarks for 2020 if you'd like to compare your performance on the year:
  • S&P 500: +16.3%
  • Nasdaq Composite: +43.6% (!)
  • Russell 2000: +18.4%
  • Vanguard Total Bond Market: +7.7%

Comparing my -99.59% to each one in turn

Hmmmm :thunk:

LibCrusher
Jan 6, 2019

by Fluffdaddy

Agronox posted:

Here are some benchmarks for 2020 if you'd like to compare your performance on the year:
  • S&P 500: +16.3%
  • Nasdaq Composite: +43.6% (!)
  • Russell 2000: +18.4%
  • Vanguard Total Bond Market: +7.7%

Lol

jawbroken
Aug 13, 2007

messmate king

Agronox posted:

Here are some benchmarks for 2020 if you'd like to compare your performance on the year:
  • S&P 500: +16.3%
  • Nasdaq Composite: +43.6% (!)
  • Russell 2000: +18.4%
  • Vanguard Total Bond Market: +7.7%

+75.1%, very stupid year.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


pmchem posted:

The US total market is up ~17% since 3 months ago. This means target-date funds need to sell a lot of stocks at the end of the quarter. Remarkably, the date where this effect seems to be most visible is the 23rd of the last month of the quarter. What's tomorrow? Oh right, the 23rd.

some commentary here:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-01/target-dated-funds-grow-to-dwarf-nasdaq-whale-in-markets

free version here:
https://blog.evergreengavekal.com/swimming-with-the-target-date-whale/
"SWIMMING WITH THE TARGET-DATE WHALE: SHORT FOR HALLOWEEN, LONG FOR CHRISTMAS? BY VINCENT DELUARD
Moby Dick is rich with profound spiritual, religious, and psychological themes – and very practical advice: when men fight a giant sperm whale on a tiny boat, the whale usually wins. Giant whales also hide below the calm surface of markets and experienced traders know better than to fight them: when a whale is hungry, it will feed, whether we like it or not.

This report will start with a statistical oddity: the four most recent corrections ended in the last week of the quarter, and three of them ended on the same day - the 23rd."

recent article from an entirely different source:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/y...eal-11608667336


I really believe this is why stocks are tanking the past few days and expect a recovery late next week. Too bad I was too busy with work/family stuff to seriously act upon it earlier this month.

following up on this:

the SPY low from date of post to EOY was, in fact, the date of post. SPY had recovered by early the following week, and then hit its new ATH late the following week at EOY.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


My friend I mentioned earlier is now full tilt on the crypto bandwagon. Bought in last night with both Bit and A. (Half a share of A, a couple of percents of Bit). Lol. I'm assuming he'll make a few thousand and get very high on his own feelings of being amazing at this and then have the market punch him in the face.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
Outside any future mistakes he’ll make it’s been an amazing week for crypto.

BTC + 36%
ETH + 28%
DOGE + 137% lol

I played day trader with it over the weekend and will be getting back out by tomorrow but it was fun!

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

Since it's a snowy weekend and I have some time I thought I'd write up some thoughts on 2020.

Speculation account: +34.7%
Retirement account: +47.3%

Not bad, not bad. I made some dumb mistakes along the way but all told this was a very good year.

WHAT WORKED
  • Short in February - I closed most of my positions and went net short via futures in late February. Was I missing something? There was a very contagious virus in China that seemed to have seeped out to Italy... and the markets were sleeping on it. If nothing else, supply chains were going to get disrupted and the big multinationals were going to see their earnings hit. I poured on the shorts further in early March. It turned out to be the second-best trade of my life (and the very best if we consider that it only took a few weeks to work).

  • Buying in March - There were a lot of things that ended up undervalued in late March. I loaded up on yield, in particular bank and financial preferreds. I could've done better on this--the things to buy at the end of March were tech, tech, and more tech--but under the circumstances I think it was reasonable given what I thought would happen with the market (a muddle-through recessionary grind).

  • Short USO - USO is the weird oil ETF that had big problems during the March and April crash. I did well shorting it then and completely ignoring it after. Incidentally, there was a really interesting opportunity with USO at one point: you could short USO, buy the actual oil futures it corresponded to, and collect an arbitrage profit of 30%. Unfortunately this anomaly only lasted a few hours before the spread closed. As I was checking my math and making sure I didn't miss anything the chance slipped away.

  • SPAC Separation Trades - The basic idea here is that you buy SPAC units close to NAV, separate them into shares and warrants once you're allowed to, and the speculators bid up the warrants so much that the trade becomes profitable as you sell off both pieces. Strictly speaking in a sensible market this shouldn't work but I've been able to grind out decent profits taking on infinitesimal risk doing this in the retirement account. Nice successes here were PSTHU, OTRAU, and RBACU. These trades are more difficult to put on now as nearly every single SPAC unit is bid up above NAV.
WHAT DIDN'T
  • Oil Shipping - There is a well-known habit of traders that after a big win, full of euphoria and testosterone, they think themselves invincible and do stupid things. After killing it with March shorts, I gave a quarter of those profits back by going long oil tanker companies. It was stupid for two reasons: a) I was following a bunch of value guys, not truly examining the thesis for myself, when it's one of my rules to play my own hand, and b) If I had really thought about it, I would've realized the underlying economics made no sense. Okay, there's a worldwide lockdown that's destroying the demand for oil... and you want to own the companies that make money shipping it? You can talk yourself into this trade and feel clever (look at the contango!) but it was still stupid, stupid, stupid. You can't trade for too long without making mistakes but this one hurt, because I really should've known better.

  • Selling Too Soon - As mentioned I had a nice shopping list in late March, and I bought most of what I'd wanted within a few weeks after that. Unfortunately I sold off a lot of it too soon, worried about a second Covid wave, which did in fact arrive but did not slow down the market's recovery.

  • Short Through Summer - I was net neutral through much of the summer--by that I mean I had a portfolio of longs largely offset by shorting S&P futures--and then net short as the election approached. The right move, of course, was to not be short at all.
MINOR INTERESTING STUFF
  • Short TSLA - This didn't really move the needle too much but I somehow managed to make a few bucks shorting TSLA in a year when it increased seven-fold. I'd like to claim it was clever nimble trading but really it was probably just luck.

  • NKLA Warrant Arbitrage - It didn't amount to much, but during the summer I put on a SPAC arbitrage play. At the time, NKLA warrants were horribly underpriced compared to the common stock; the catch is, the warrants couldn't be exercised until they were registered, and there was no way of predicting the exact date that would happen (although we knew a ballpark range). So the play is to buy the warrants, short the common, exercise the warrants to cover the short, and capture the difference in profit. Problem is, I put the trade on too early, and the ever-increasing cost to borrow NKLA common (at one point it hit a 750% APR) ate me alive, turning what could've been a very lucrative trade into a small loser. A good reminder that whenever you see what appears to be free money in the market to think twice and consider every single way something can blow up.

  • Kensington / Quantumscape - Not long after its IPO in June, I bought KCACU at $10.06, and sold it off not long after that for a miserly 1.3% gain. Today the components of KCACU--a share of QS and half a QS warrant--are worth $90. Oops!
Anyone else have any anecdotes or lessons from 2020?

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe
KCAC/QS made zero loving sense, don't beat yourself up about that one. I held it in the beginning for zero gain.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Huh... I took bitcoin off my radar back in 2019 but it looks it's really been on a run lately. If I can find my way back into my Coinbase account I bet the big chunk I bought at ~$4,000 is looking pretty good

EDIT: :psyduck: oh my

GoGoGadgetChris fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Jan 3, 2021

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Huh... I took bitcoin off my radar back in 2019 but it looks it's really been on a run lately. If I can find my way back into my Coinbase account I bet the big chunk I bought at ~$4,000 is looking pretty good

EDIT: :psyduck: oh my

How we doing Chris?

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Huh... I took bitcoin off my radar back in 2019 but it looks it's really been on a run lately. If I can find my way back into my Coinbase account I bet the big chunk I bought at ~$4,000 is looking pretty good

EDIT: :psyduck: oh my

Grats on the 1000% return!

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Inner Light posted:

How we doing Chris?



This will take 18 days to complete. The future of currencies!!

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

This will take 18 days to complete. The future of currencies!!
Now go tell the GBS Bitcoin thread about your winnings! They'll probably be very happy for you.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

GoGoGadgetChris posted:



This will take 18 days to complete. The future of currencies!!

You fool it can only go up!

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



GoGoGadgetChris posted:



This will take 18 days to complete. The future of currencies!!

Haha loving wow congrats. Gotta have money to make money that you forgot about is how the saying goes I think.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
Hot diggety dog congrats!

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



GoGoGadgetChris posted:



This will take 18 days to complete. The future of currencies!!

Nice!

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Agronox posted:

Anyone else have any anecdotes or lessons from 2020?

Great post by you there. I can't contribute anything to that level of detail.

Highlights of 2020 learning-wise:

1. improving my market and current-state-of-macro knowledge through reading this thread (including many of last year's posts), and...
2. curating a quite useful twitter list. I love my financial/markets twitter list.
3. curating a comprehensive list of liquid, potentially useful, and diverse ETFs so that I can tailor my current and future investments. A lot of reading about ETFs taught me about corners of the market I wouldn't have otherwise explored.
4. reading a ton on other websites too and refining my market bookmarks (e.g. https://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/external_committees.html and meeting minutes/presentations therein)
5. discovering and listening to the Odd Lots podcast.

What worked:

1. selling all stocks in Feb (or early March depending on account) and going to bonds, then cash (early/mid-March).
2. buying back in to stocks at end of March / April.
3. largely sticking to 100% stocks post-March and using sector/factor ETFs tactically.

What did not work:

1. buying some stocks with fun money when their RSI was already like 80+ on a gap up green day (August mistake, very minor amount of $ but annoying and lesson learned).
2. going in part to cash shortly before election day (mistake quickly rectified but missed out on a couple % there).

It's difficult to disentangle my gains across all accounts from the ongoing contributions to those accounts, but, if they were disentangled, I'd still be up way more than the 16.3% S&P 500 benchmark.

I hope 2021 is much more boring, I'd honestly rather just set and forget my portfolio for the most part.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009
Haha wow. Congratulations.

Brass Hand
Feb 27, 2020
I’m down ~30% after 2020. I learned a lot (my first year actively trading) and my losses only amount to triple digits (€). I am:
- too impulsive
- too impatient
- too reluctant to jump on the bandwagon when it is obvious. Anti-FOMO I guess?

I’ve made some good wins thanks to this thread but the above and just bad timing cost me in the end.

Biggest % fuckup was Wirecard which I bet €100ish on way too early in the hope it would become some weird HTZ type thing. -98% for now and probably on its way down to -100% eventually lol.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

GoGoGadgetChris posted:



This will take 18 days to complete. The future of currencies!!

:lol: congrats! Crosspost to the BWM thread (and eat a probe for humblebragging :v:)

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

So did you leave your original $4k in there or what? :D

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

odiv posted:

So did you leave your original $4k in there or what? :D

Nah, a number that big means he was reinvesting his dividends.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


GoGoGadgetChris posted:



This will take 18 days to complete. The future of currencies!!
OMG party at Chris's new boat???

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

GoGoGadgetChris posted:



This will take 18 days to complete. The future of currencies!!

are you going to upgrade (lol) to an m3 now

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



Well that made me feel worse about my bad year (dumb day trading decisions, dumb risk management strategy), but comparison is the thief of joy or what's the expression?

Nicely done. I'll trade you for the M3 if you're tired of it :-)

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Martman posted:

Now go tell the GBS Bitcoin thread about your winnings! They'll probably be very happy for you.


Hah! One of these days I'll get some of my mtgoxcoins back, damnit. Hopefully before I die.

Chris, 40k on bitcoins a few years ago was definitely not an approved "long term investment", shame shame.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


gently caress it I'm buying $500 of bitcoin tomorrow. Why not?

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Hit Man
Mar 6, 2008

I hope after I die people will say of me: "That guy sure owed me a lot of money."

Jfc 50k btc and diamond hands. Legend

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