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I see a lot of people acting like Fischl is just a support but she's not. Her basic attack string has almost as much DPS as Diluc and Razor, she's absolutely designed to be a carry if you want to use her that way. The main issue she has is that she's split physical/electro damage but you can just gear her for atk/crit/critdmg and she works fine as a carry especially past C1 with Rust.
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Some Numbers posted:I'm running a ton of HP% on Bennett, because Atk and Dmg stats don't do as much for his as a support, while HP boosts his healing. i've had him built mostly for DPS so that's probably why. but yeah looking at him on the sheet, aside from the unnecessary rec for healing% you'd just see he wants ER/HP/HP. so it does seem usable for determining the finer details of a build with a bit of looking into how artifact stats work.
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Jan 4, 2021 04:14
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Fischl's got the best values on her uncharged shot combo, even above Childe. And given Ganyu will be charge shot centric I bet Fischl will beat her out too. Combined with the constellations that add bonus Oz shots yeah she'll be really great with investment. The big drawback to her is that she's really only doing single target DPS.
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Jan 4, 2021 04:16
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yes but have you considered that uncharged bow spam feels like crap to use regardless of how good the DPS is
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Jan 4, 2021 04:21
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:yes but have you considered that uncharged bow spam feels like crap to use regardless of how good the DPS is Depends on the player, I find it fun as hell to machine-gun spam.
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Jan 4, 2021 04:24
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Also Fischl does noble woman laughs after combos.
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Jan 4, 2021 04:27
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Having Oz floating there doubling the amount of numbers you're sending out makes bow spam feel way more satisfying just by itself.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Also Fischl does noble woman laughs after combos. Which you promptly skip by double tapping the r to maximize damage
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:I see a lot of people acting like Fischl is just a support but she's not. Her basic attack string has almost as much DPS as Diluc and Razor, she's absolutely designed to be a carry if you want to use her that way. The main issue she has is that she's split physical/electro damage but you can just gear her for atk/crit/critdmg and she works fine as a carry especially past C1 with Rust. The main issue is that most combat situations involve more than 1 enemy and claymore is just a better weapon for that. And Diluc is pyro in an element that he's allowed to crit on reactions.
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Jan 4, 2021 04:30
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:I see a lot of people acting like Fischl is just a support but she's not. She can be a carry, just like Xiangling, but if you have better options then she's a really, really good support.
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Jan 4, 2021 04:34
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Taikuri posted:Tried to melt Cryogunner Fatui backed up to a wall with Klee burst. This is my biggest gripe with the game. You can make an auto-targeting system which takes my right-stick input as a suggestion to as to what I'm aiming at. Genshin just says "Aiming at that Fatui? That's cute. But I know what you REALLY want to attack is that fly that is slightly closer to you." Mailer posted:She can be a carry, just like Xiangling, but if you have better options then she's a really, really good support. Yeah, you should really have at least two characters on a team who are just there to activate a skill and go away. Which is why I almost always have at least 2 of Babs/Fishl/Xiangling. The Atomic Man-Boy fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Jan 4, 2021 04:38
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:I see a lot of people acting like Fischl is just a support but she's not. Her basic attack string has almost as much DPS as Diluc and Razor, she's absolutely designed to be a carry if you want to use her that way. The main issue she has is that she's split physical/electro damage but you can just gear her for atk/crit/critdmg and she works fine as a carry especially past C1 with Rust. I use her as my second group DPS for the split Spiral Abyss. Her single target dps is decent, but it practice it feels like there are things that don't translate as well in-game compared to a straight math calculation that make her somewhat worse. One thing is that when auto-attacking you don't have the same level of control on what target you are going after. Another is that a claymore user can hit multiple mobs with a single attack, while a bow user cannot. Also, it does not seem like there is much knockback on her arrows, where if an abyss mage starts shielding up she cannot block it very well, while a claymore user can fairly easily knock them off their feet. As mentioned, I use her as a dps at times and she is fine at finishing off weekly bosses if a melee dps dies and I don't want to waste a steak, but it does feel like the overall low "impact" of her hits factors in on some enemies.
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Reason 1 why Bow dps is thwarted: Electro/Cryo mages
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Tae posted:The main issue is that most combat situations involve more than 1 enemy and claymore is just a better weapon for that. And Diluc is pyro in an element that he's allowed to crit on reactions. Yes, Diluc is a better carry. Razor arguably too though Razor's AoE damage is negligible since he's all about physical and most of his wider hitting AoE is electro based, Razor is mostly better because his basic combo puts out the highest DPS in the game and he self buffs his attacks like crazy. IME most of the time the AoE on claymores doesn't matter that much, almost all AoE ends up coming from ults and skills that explicitly hit a wide area like Diluc's ult. Ibblebibble posted:Depends on the player, I find it fun as hell to machine-gun spam. This.
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Jan 4, 2021 05:32
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Yes, Diluc is a better carry. Razor arguably too though Razor's AoE damage is negligible since he's all about physical and most of his wider hitting AoE is electro based, Razor is mostly better because his basic combo puts out the highest DPS in the game and he self buffs his attacks like crazy. I have a Sucrose in my party a lot and she's real good at pulling enemies together so I can smack 2-4 badguys at once with my claymore. Without some kind of grouping character it's hard to take advantage of the AOE though. The best you can get is using overload knockback to push enemies towards each other / into corners.
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Meanwhile I'm still tempted to toy around with artifact sets to see if I could make Albedo more of a DPS than a support. I think it mostly just comes down to swapping 2pc Defenders for 2pc Gladiator or Noblesse and going for a 4/5* damage focused sword in place of Harbinger of Dawn to balance out the damage between E and Burst. Because yes I'm the crazy bastard that would want to try to turn C0 Albedo into a main DPS.
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Jan 4, 2021 05:57
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Noelle is very good at Claymore AoE, but of course her sword is three times longer than anyone else's.
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Jan 4, 2021 06:06
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Even when her ult's not up, I've never had any trouble hitting at least two enemies at once with a claymore.
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Jan 4, 2021 06:16
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dogsicle posted:i've had him built mostly for DPS so that's probably why. but yeah looking at him on the sheet, aside from the unnecessary rec for healing% you'd just see he wants ER/HP/HP. so it does seem usable for determining the finer details of a build with a bit of looking into how artifact stats work. I actually took ER sands off him for more HP, because I got him to 180 ER without it, which is more than enough to Burst basically whenever I want.
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dogsicle posted:i've had him built mostly for DPS so that's probably why. but yeah looking at him on the sheet, aside from the unnecessary rec for healing% you'd just see he wants ER/HP/HP. so it does seem usable for determining the finer details of a build with a bit of looking into how artifact stats work. I don't understand why you'd want a second HP artifact over heal% if you're trying to minmax his healing anyways. If you're just using benett as a healbot like that he's not gonna be on the field enough for tankiness to really matter -- you just tap E or Q and then switch out again ASAP.
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hp being easier to get than heal% would be the main reason. he heals well enough that i wouldn't bother going after heal% when hp mains would do the better case is probably for ER/pyro/hp
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:You should not give Albedo an ATK% hourglass unless you're trying to do some main-dps auto-attack-damage shenanigans. dogsicle posted:there's not really a need to get that specific when following a list of prioritized stats will basically dictates the build. a character wanting ele%/phys% means their cup slot is spoken for. wanting crit stats means that's the hat they run. any other stat like atk/def/hp/EM/ER would go in their sands slot, and then you also try to get everything from that list in your substats on all the pieces. some stats can be doubled up on, offhand i can only think of like Diona running hp cup/hat or Sucrose running EM cup/hat etc. but based on their lists in this sheet you could arrive at that conclusion. I'm glad people jumped in to offer some advice because that's the exact kinda stuff I was looking for. That and things like specific numbers to aim for, like what was it, 200 EM on Bennet or was that ER? Obviously you want over 1000 atk by 60 but an idea of how high to aim for per WL would be nice.
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RareAcumen posted:I'm glad people jumped in to offer some advice because that's the exact kinda stuff I was looking for. That and things like specific numbers to aim for, like what was it, 200 EM on Bennet or was that ER? Obviously you want over 1000 atk by 60 but an idea of how high to aim for per WL would be nice. 200% ER for Benny if you want the max uptime on ult, anything over that is considered superfluous but won't kill you to have
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Is Bennett's burst up on cooldown consistently? If yes, you have enough ER. If no, you need more. The exact numbers depend on team comp
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RareAcumen posted:I'm glad people jumped in to offer some advice because that's the exact kinda stuff I was looking for. That and things like specific numbers to aim for, like what was it, 200 EM on Bennet or was that ER? Obviously you want over 1000 atk by 60 but an idea of how high to aim for per WL would be nice. Energy Recharge is the only stat that really has magic-number breakpoints. For example, if you use Bennett as a main DPS, 175 ER is (apparently) the threshold where, you can mash E on cooldown and, from Benett alone, you'll generate enough energy to use your burst again the second it's available. If you use Bennett as a support for a non-fire team you'll probably want higher ER than that, since you probably aren't switching to Benny every 4 seconds to use his skill, and you definitely aren't switching every 2 seconds during his ult buff. All the ER stuff is team-dependent, though. If you have two party members of the same element, they'll both need less ER since they get bonus energy from each others' element-matching particles. (Particles that match the character's element give 3x as much burst meter as other colored particles.) If you have a character who generates tons of energy like Venti, Geo MC, or C2 Ningguang, you'll likewise need less ER for the rest of the team. There aren't really any hard target numbers for any other stat like ATK/EM/crit/whatever. edit: Also, there isn't really too much point in thinking about Energy Recharge breakpoints because you don't have any fine control over it. The hourglass is the only artifact slot that can roll it, plus it can show up on weapons. So basically the decision making process is: "Do I use an ER weapon over a higher-damage one? (y/n). Do I use an ER hourglass over an ATK/HP/whatever one? (y/n)." Beyond that it's just artifact substat RNG which you should ignore for the next 1 million years. RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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there's no finishing quest for this event right? it just ends on 'hey look that flower is mad'? seems strange place to leave it.
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kater posted:there's no finishing quest for this event right? it just ends on 'hey look that flower is mad'? seems strange place to leave it. Check again in 40 minutes.
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For as much as I've enjoyed the new area, the latest event, and Albedo's gameplay, I've gotta say that I haven't been into the actual story missions. Cutscene Albedo is a boring character and I don't care about this sword. Can't stand Sucrose either.
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Jan 4, 2021 09:39
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Neat bug that involves killing Amber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OA_GDxnY2Q&t
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the reason you don't use fischl dps is because that's splitting your damage types doing all physical with attacks, then electro from E/Q/C6 means part of your damage isn't getting boosted by your goblet. And you'd need superconduct AND a VV user to amplify both types of damage the best DPSes are the ones that can make most, or all, of their damage one type, like Klee, Diluc, Keqing, etc, so that your damage all gets boosted by your goblet, and you only need 1 support to shred resist (cryo/electro for superconduct, anemo VV for anyone doing elemental primary). Its not like Razor, where he prefers physical damage though he has Electro, as that's mainly there to help him keep triggering superconduct. Fischl's electro damage is very high, making a physical build rather unwieldy for her. And if you decide to take an Electro goblet instead of a physical one, why not just swap off of Fischl after pushing E and use somebody who's getting their basic attacks boosted by their goblet? Why not use somebody who can trigger more electro-based reactions for Fischl to proc her talent damage on? Fischl's fine for autoattacking as a backup, but as a primary DPS she's far from optimal.
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Hazdoc posted:the reason you don't use fischl dps is because that's splitting your damage types Yeah but pew pew pew is hella fun. Also I pretty much never run any anemo in my team so VV's never been a factor in my calculations.
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Fischl oh ho ho’s during her attack string so it’s pretty much the best move in the game.
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Hazdoc posted:the reason you don't use fischl dps is because that's splitting your damage types By that logic Razor is a bad carry too. You say that doesn't count because Razor's physical damage is very high but Fischl has access to Rust, a weapon with what amounts to +40% physical damage at R1, scaling to +80% at R5. With Rust you can effectively have the equivalent of both an electro and a physical goblet at once. My point isn't that Fischl is the best carry in the game or some such nonsense, my point is that she is a top tier carry and players without Diluc, Razor, etc shouldn't just dismiss her out of hand especially if they have C1 and Rust.
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So how is DPS Fischl supposed to be played anyway? Do you use her E or not?
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The game is easy enough (barring late stage Abyss) that it really doesn't matter that spamming Fischl auto-attacks isn't optimal. I clear the highest level Childe fight by pretty much exclusively spamming Fischl's auto attacks.
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gandlethorpe posted:So how is DPS Fischl supposed to be played anyway? Do you use her E or not? why wouldn't you use her E? That's like the entire point of fish
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using her skill shuts off her C1 so it'd be important to know how that affects her damage. given her burst is just an excuse to refresh her skill though, i suppose you can't really escape that and should just treat C1 as a bonus for the like 5s her skill and burst are both on cooldown
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C1 for Fish has got to be one of the most overrated constellations in the game. It's a minor damage boost for the small time your Oz isn't on the field.
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kater posted:Fischl oh ho ho’s during her attack string so it’s pretty much the best move in the game.
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Terper posted:Check again in 40 minutes. guess this was nothing? rip the nothing rear end mystery of this okay enough sword.
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