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a pipe smoking dog posted:Yeah I'm married to a teacher so I'm inherently biased but to my mind the obvious scale is: hospital staff -> care home staff -> teachers -> most clinically vulnerable -> olds -> everyone else in decreasing age order Well there were about 60,000-70,000 potential Tory voters who hadn't been prioritised before.
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lmao that their sole policy is "don't call for schools to be closed because keith will look like an idiot"
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ronya posted:the UK is doing remarkably well on the vaccine rollout thus far Israel's per-capita numbers are very skewed by who they consider a "person". e: I can't find any actual evidence but I'm willing to bet my place in the vaccine line that the same thing is happening in Bahrain.
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OwlFancier posted:lmao that their sole policy is "don't call for schools to be closed because keith will look like an idiot" It's literally this. Absolutely pathetic.
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This is excellent and thanks to all the committee members (and especially you Maugrim!) for your hard work. Since the balance is currently quite healthy (and has been pretty consistently), are there any thoughts about ways to encourage take up in general, and maybe to encourage UKMT posters to bring the fund up more to increase its visibility? There's a solid sense of community here and people do post about going through tough times materially or mentally, but assuming that not everyone who posted something like that applied, and that not everyone who applied posted, I'd imagine there are some more people who could benefit who haven't applied because they don't know about it/don't want to ask.
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Jan 4, 2021 10:36
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The Perfect Element posted:It's literally this. Absolutely pathetic. One of the benefits of Sensible Leadership is that the Leadership defines what is Sensible and it would be Insensible to change their opinion. After all, how would anybody know what is Sensible if they went around changing their opinion?
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LordVorbis posted:So if you need a doctor now what? Just die? My docs has had all e-services turned off since June or so, because they had a 60% no show rate on online appointments. Now the amazing modern system is if you want an appointment for anything non 999 worthy you ring at 8am, and get engaged tone and redial immediately for at least 40+ minutes. Then you get put in a queue of max 5 people (why they can't have a bigger queue system I don't know) You then explain your problem and they triage you and you get a call back later in the day from the doc. It's utter balls and for someone pathologically afraid of phone calls it's quite fun making 200+ calls whenever you need to talk to a doc.
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Jan 4, 2021 10:52
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Jan 4, 2021 10:57
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Public Health 101 - If the public don't follow the rules then either the rules weren't fit for purpose or the communication and enforcement wasn't fit for purpose. (Or it was an unwinnable situation, but the existence of other places where this wasn't the case nullifies this.)
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Jan 4, 2021 11:01
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Our government isn't utterly terrible, it's that British people are uniquely unwilling to follow rules
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Jan 4, 2021 11:09
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Gort posted:Our government isn't utterly terrible, it's that British people are uniquely unwilling to follow rules Were the quieter, "that doesn't apply to me" crowd, over the "dying is part of my god given rights!"
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Jan 4, 2021 11:13
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Israel's per-capita numbers are very skewed by who they consider a "person". I saw somebody mentioning in the Covid thread a few days ago that Bahrain has approved the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine, and has received enough of it that it's widely available. Their numbers are up because they're early adopters of a vaccine most of the rest of the world considers untested.
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And yet it's the closest to a traditional inactivated virus vaccine and has undergone Phase 3 trials in Brazil. Most of the opposition to further rollout there seems to be political between São Paulo and Bolsonaro rather than a matter of science.
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Niric posted:This is excellent and thanks to all the committee members (and especially you Maugrim!) for your hard work. Since the balance is currently quite healthy (and has been pretty consistently), are there any thoughts about ways to encourage take up in general, and maybe to encourage UKMT posters to bring the fund up more to increase its visibility? There's a solid sense of community here and people do post about going through tough times materially or mentally, but assuming that not everyone who posted something like that applied, and that not everyone who applied posted, I'd imagine there are some more people who could benefit who haven't applied because they don't know about it/don't want to ask. The income has actually tracked surprisingly well with payouts over the course of the year. It started out very healthy, around 3k from initial donations, and slowly reduced over the course of the year as requests slightly exceeded donations for most months. By the end of Nov we were sitting around 2k, but some generous Christmas spirit has put us right back up to 3k again. (We have a largish request approved but not paid out yet though, so it's actually more like 2.5k.) What I'm saying is if many more people applied we might be forced to actually pick and choose who gets help in order not to run out of funds. And that's fine! It's what the committee is for! It does feel like some of very worst-off people aren't always comfortable asking for help. I don't know what is to be done about that. But if lack of funds is impacting on anyone's health, whether mental or physical, I would certainly encourage them to apply. E: also I'm going to put a reminder in every post I make about the Fund - if you want to stand for committee membership please let us know here or in the Discord! Maugrim fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Look, the polls say that people continue to blame the public over the government for the extent of the epidemic, so Labour is very sensibly taking the majority view!
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Pistol_Pete posted:Look, the polls say that people continue to blame the public over the government for the extent of the epidemic, so Labour is very sensibly taking the majority view! Oh gently caress it's literally this isn't it. Sometimes I go and read an article about Jacinda Ardern just to feel like good things can happen somewhere in the world.
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Maugrim posted:Oh gently caress it's literally this isn't it. Better things happen the further away you get from England 
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loving hell she's vile. For context all the guy did was (accurately) say that her Tweets have contributed to an ongoing campaign against the NHS. https://twitter.com/jelly_pack/status/1346029868153245696?s=19
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Focus groups will have shown that pointing out the government's mistakes from the sidelines has limited popularity, while the masochistic Uk public like nothing more than a finger-wagging authority figure telling them what naughty boys and girls they've been.
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Unfortunately for Labour, no one considers any of their MPs to be authority figures
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It's not defamation when the public knows she is already an absolute twat PS- worth reporting some of those Tweets (esp those naming his employer and threatening his job) as targeted harassment. Ewan fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Grey Hunter posted:It's not unique. Look at the yanks and their near riots in the street. To be clear, my post was sarcasm. I think that if - back in March or early on in the pandemic - the UK and US governments had both said, "Coronavirus is a huge deal and will cause thousands of deaths if we don't get ahead of it" and instituted a proper, month-long lockdown with places of work closed, schools closed, pubs closed, and shops closed except for the absolute essentials (which is a white-list, incidentally, if you're not on it you can't open), we'd not even be talking about coronavirus now. I think people would've gone along with it as long as the rules were clear and enforceable, and the drastic nature of the rules would've meant they wouldn't have to be in place for long. Gort fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Maugrim posted:Oh gently caress it's literally this isn't it. Don't read this one then. Or https://twitter.com/bernardchickey/status/1336013247544131586?s=19 I'm sure NZ is great compared to the UK in many ways, but it's pretty hosed in others. e: or https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/09-12-2020/new-report-shows-the-truly-dire-state-of-nz-housing/ Lungboy fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1346036528288587776?s=20 Close everything. Also keeping schools open should be the top priority. So says the Shadow Education Secretary that's only in the job because they binned off the previous one clearly because she was a bit mouthy about backing the teaching unions. This party is loving disgusting. Also they've focus-grouped ice rinks into the equation, along with zoos, I guess.
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Ewan posted:It's not defamation when the public knows she is already an absolute twat Yeah but the goal isn't to be right it's to use your money and power to humiliate and leave destitute anyone that stands up to them. https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1346049779550343168 They'll probably just do it anyway.
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Gort posted:
You do this - full lockdown for a month, and you make every single arrival into your country stay in a quarantine hotel by themselves for two weeks. And you make sure transport from airport to the hotel is in a quarantine bus, not a taxi or whatever. And you test people in high risk groups like clockwork. If, somehow, you get new cases, isolate and test all contacts and contacts of contacts immediately. Then you have what China (and New Zealand) have done and you get effectively zero community spread and domestic consumption, education, healthcare etc can carry on like normal. It continues to absolutely amaze me that many people still think there's no way to beat it without vaccines.
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Trouble is, now there's a vaccine the rich and connected can get hold of, their personal incentive to control the virus just vanished.
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So the judge agreed that assange committed the crimes he was accused of just that he'd kill himself if extradited. Great precedent
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Tarnop posted:Judge in the Assange case just refused extradition, because the US prison system is so hosed it would destroy his mental health while simultaneously being unable to prevent him committing suicide. It's a shame that his strategy to sit in the embassy and wait out the Sweedish sexual assault/rape charges worked*, but I suppose it's good he isn't being tortured in a US prison for facilitating leaks. *= But that is more due to the a country having statute of limitations for any crime, much less sexual assault ones. And having it as low as under ten years.
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Jose posted:So the judge agreed that assange committed the crimes he was accused of just that he'd kill himself if extradited. Great precedent Yeah and the reason he'd be likely to kill himself is because he'd have to be kept in permanent solitary to avoid being murdered by US intelligence agencies. Sorry, because "special measures" would have to be used in his incarceration due to the "hostile attitude" of US Intel agencies.
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Jose posted:So the judge agreed that assange committed the crimes he was accused of just that he'd kill himself if extradited. Great precedent Without having read the judgement, extradition hearings are not really about did you do the crime or not*, they are more concerned with how likely are your human rights to be ignored or if you are likely to get a fair trial if extradited. * = There can be overlap if you are arguing that what you have been charged with is an offense known to law or if you could have been prosecuted for said offense for the country you are in. Also if the argument is that the evidence against you is so sketchy that it shouldn't proceed to be before a court, but it would have to be obvious on the facts. Extradition courts are clear that they aren't to be used as a dress rehearsal for the main court case. Even if that does sometimes end up happening.
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Does anyone have that thing posted his weekend showing there is general support for closing schools? I think it was about 60% if you added strongly support and somewhat support together. I’ve just had a scroll through but couldn’t see it.
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Jose posted:So the judge agreed that assange committed the crimes he was accused of just that he'd kill himself if extradited. Great precedent I mean nobody denies he did what he was accused of, and the inhuman conditions of the US prison system absolutely should be reason to deny extradition. In fact I think that's the only legal grounds to oppose extradition he had. Worth noting this is only a preliminary ruling that will definitely be appealed though.
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Sanford posted:Does anyone have that thing posted his weekend showing there is general support for closing schools? I think it was about 60% if you added strongly support and somewhat support together. I’ve just had a scroll through but couldn’t see it. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/education/survey-results/daily/2020/12/30/2ac0b/3 67%
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