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misadventurous posted:ive been holding back on a shut the gently caress up about jimmy dore post through all these pests continuing to bring him up but youre the one that got me to pull the trigger. Shut the gently caress up about jimmy dore you unbelievable dipshit. hundreds of people lined up and got their asses kicked by cops last year because they were pissed about racial injustice it’s not their fault any more than dores that our sociopathic government went on ignoring them anyway but it’s infinitely more loving galling to act like their attempts were more ineffective/dumb than angry tweeting at dumb liberals Not dumb, but objectively as effective
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Jinnigan posted:so here's the thing: FTV wasn't perfect, but it was probably okay, in the large scheme. having an okay or acceptable plan to affect change is fine, it's easy. it's the "ideas guy" of political organizing. actually building up the long-term organization, infrastructure, leadership, participation, is the actual work. you can tell if someone is committed to affecting political change by whether or not they are prepared to do all those things. Jimmy Dore has none of commitments, and this post shows exactly why So why do you bring the discussion to Dore when other leftists who supported FTV are doing this exact thing? This obsession with Dore is absolutely an attempt to defang and dissipate any energy the FTV efforts inspired.
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Jinnigan posted:so here's the thing: FTV wasn't perfect, but it was probably okay, in the large scheme. having an okay or acceptable plan to affect change is fine, it's easy. it's the "ideas guy" of political organizing. actually building up the long-term organization, infrastructure, leadership, participation, is the actual work. you can tell if someone is committed to affecting political change by whether or not they are prepared to do all those things. Jimmy Dore has none of commitments, and this post shows exactly why who is someone committed to affecting political change?
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misadventurous posted:ive been holding back on a shut the gently caress up about jimmy dore post through all these pests continuing to bring him up but youre the one that got me to pull the trigger. Shut the gently caress up about jimmy dore you unbelievable dipshit. hundreds of people lined up and got their asses kicked by cops last year because they were pissed about racial injustice it’s not their fault any more than dores that our sociopathic government went on ignoring them anyway but it’s infinitely more loving galling to act like their attempts were more ineffective/dumb than angry tweeting at dumb liberals
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Jinnigan posted:so here's the thing: FTV wasn't perfect, but it was probably okay, in the large scheme. having an okay or acceptable plan to affect change is fine, it's easy. it's the "ideas guy" of political organizing. actually building up the long-term organization, infrastructure, leadership, participation, is the actual work. you can tell if someone is committed to affecting political change by whether or not they are prepared to do all those things. Jimmy Dore has none of commitments, and this post shows exactly why I think that something that must be said and propagandized is that AOC was but one ~100 representatives identifying as progressives and not one of them is attempting to fight the system or extract concessions. quite frankly, who cares about AOC? She is but a junior member of the largest faction within the democratic house establishment and that faction from bottom to top and in all directions is against progress. The electoralism answer would be to primary and remove from power every single one of these false friends.
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misadventurous posted:ive been holding back on a shut the gently caress up about jimmy dore post through all these pests continuing to bring him up but youre the one that got me to pull the trigger. Shut the gently caress up about jimmy dore you unbelievable dipshit. hundreds of people lined up and got their asses kicked by cops last year because they were pissed about racial injustice it’s not their fault any more than dores that our sociopathic government went on ignoring them anyway but it’s infinitely more loving galling to act like their attempts were more ineffective/dumb than angry tweeting at dumb liberals did you actually think that i was doing some kind of objective comparison of some kinda efficiency per protester poo poo as opposed to shitposting at the latest lib to tag in or are you just looking for an excuse to get mad?
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bedpan posted:this is exactly my point. material conditions will need to get much worse to propel a great crowd into open revolt or some other decisive rejection of the system. as bad as things are or seem to be, they are not bad enough. Contingency posted:With the civil rights movement, people remember the protests and arrests, but not the boycotts. I've wondered how things would have gone down if the community approached the local Walmart and malls and threatened to boycott unless they agree to delay paying business/sales taxes. Coerce them into applying pressure on the local government for something actionable, like banning chokeholds or adopting non-lethal policing measures. partially correct. experiencing or witnessing cruelty is a powerful motivating force. they need to be trained so they have the skills to participate, they need to believe that their participation matters, and they need to believe they can win. however, people need to be organized. in short, people need to be organized. rosa parks isn't some bitty who just got tired one day - she was a lifelong activist who had already trained at the highlander folk school over many years, and she was plugged in to the local organizing groups.
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gradenko_2000 posted:let's get some good succ going: I found some gradenko_2000 posted:organizing is definitely the thing jagoff youtubers are NOT doing, but what real-rear end leftists MUST do if they are to win M4A within four to eight years (under President Gavin Newsom)
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Vomik posted:who is someone committed to affecting political change? rush limbaugh i guess, but not jimmy dore e: my point is it's pretty obvious the effect rush limbaugh had on pushing the republican party rightward and idk how obtuse you have to be to not see the utility in having dore attempt to do the same thing for the left
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The conclusion I'm reaching is that ultimately the only real power you can hope to get as a civvie is amass a big twitter following and radicalize people there. Main problem being that getting a big twitter following requires a lot of marketing and you'll have an easier time making internet money by selling out than by sticking to your principles, and anyone who's good at marketing is going to do the first option every time
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everytime internet "leftists" say "organizing" it reminds me of cult leaders who are trying to explain to their members why they haven't achieved enlightenment yet and need to give just a bit more money
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Jinnigan posted:partially correct. experiencing or witnessing cruelty is a powerful motivating force. they need to be trained so they have the skills to participate, they need to believe that their participation matters, and they need to believe they can win. however, people need to be organized. in short, people need to be organized. rosa parks isn't some bitty who just got tired one day - she was a lifelong activist who had already trained at the highlander folk school over many years, and she was plugged in to the local organizing groups. I and a great many other people have been taught that rosa parks was an old woman with sore feet who didn't want to stand. The activism and the movement that surrounded her have been very neatly removed from history. I can say in abstract "organize" and "train" but I have no idea what those ideas actually mean in practice. And I am soft and fat. bedpan has issued a correction as of 16:48 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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PhilippAchtel posted:So why do you bring the discussion to Dore when other leftists who supported FTV are doing this exact thing? my dude jinnigan is not the one bringing up dore it's the FTV stans. it just keeps happening.
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Jinnigan posted:so here's the thing: FTV wasn't perfect, but it was probably okay, in the large scheme. having an okay or acceptable plan to affect change is fine, it's easy. it's the "ideas guy" of political organizing. actually building up the long-term organization, infrastructure, leadership, participation, is the actual work. you can tell if someone is committed to affecting political change by whether or not they are prepared to do all those things. Jimmy Dore has none of commitments, and this post shows exactly why why are you like the sixth dude to show up and make post after post constantly tying everything back to jimmy dore
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I don't really know or care who dore is but I remember FTV being a thing a few years back when people had hope and stuff and I thought it sounded good, because why the hell not?
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bedpan posted:this is exactly my point. material conditions will need to get much worse to propel a great crowd into open revolt or some other decisive rejection of the system. as bad as things are or seem to be, they are not bad enough. Have you been tracking the new C19 variant and the UK? Things have just started and there's going to be some good ammunition for pushing m4a when they try and shore up the ACA. Dems in power now might seem bad but it's going to be amazing to see how they flounder to respond to this crisis with no republicans to blame.
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Vomik posted:who is someone committed to affecting political change? sara nelson, jane mcalevey, the poor people's campaign, unite here, sunrise movement, dream defenders, black youth project 100, etc etc
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Jinnigan posted:partially correct. experiencing or witnessing cruelty is a powerful motivating force. they need to be trained so they have the skills to participate, they need to believe that their participation matters, and they need to believe they can win. however, people need to be organized. in short, people need to be organized. rosa parks isn't some bitty who just got tired one day - she was a lifelong activist who had already trained at the highlander folk school over many years, and she was plugged in to the local organizing groups. The thing is that the DSA cannot be this org. They are too plugged into the democratic party and will never lead protests that implicates both major parties. Despite the name, an org devoted to promoting a single capitalist party is not a socialist org. I recognize the DSA is one of the best options we have now, which just underlines the sad state of things. The justice Dems can't be part of it either. They sometimes say the right things, but when the chips are down, they will forward the theory that the GOP is the cause. What we need is something like the BPP or a real socialist party to organize efforts and train people at a high level.
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Quetzadilla posted:my dude jinnigan is not the one bringing up dore it's the FTV stans. it just keeps happening.  Read my post he was responding to.
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Vomik posted:everytime internet "leftists" say "organizing" it reminds me of cult leaders who are trying to explain to their members why they haven't achieved enlightenment yet and need to give just a bit more money perhaps you think that things just happen magically, for no reason? the spontaneous generation of political movements
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Jinnigan posted:sara nelson, jane mcalevey, the poor people's campaign, unite here, sunrise movement, dream defenders, black youth project 100, etc etc the sunrise movement and groups like it are heavily engaged with past and ongoing democratic party missions. they have spent time, money, and lives on campaigning for their staunchest enemy. lesser evilism is an insidious poison bedpan has issued a correction as of 16:54 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Populon posted:Jimmy Dore Zone: You'll love JimmyDoreism new thread title please
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alarumklok posted:i haven't posted in a week, why is this thread filled with loving libs now? did they misunderstand the thread title
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Jinnigan posted:sara nelson, jane mcalevey, the poor people's campaign, unite here, sunrise movement, dream defenders, black youth project 100, etc etc To be sure, these are better options.
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Jinnigan posted:sara nelson, jane mcalevey, the poor people's campaign, unite here, sunrise movement, dream defenders, black youth project 100, etc etc I have not heard of any of these, except sunrise, they should try organizing harder
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:jimmydorejimmydorejimmydorejimmydorejimmydore that the guy who wanted to vote on m4a? that would have been cool if it worked imo
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Jinnigan posted:perhaps you think that things just happen magically, for no reason? the spontaneous generation of political movements if you weren't being obtuse as a posting gimmick you would have figured out several pages ago that people were making fun of the use of "organizing" as a nebulous excuse to justify inaction not the concept of organizing as a whole
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Giga Gaia posted:that the guy who wanted to vote on m4a? that would have been cool if it worked imo jimmy dore
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alarumklok posted:i haven't posted in a week, why is this thread filled with loving libs now? did they misunderstand the thread title I think deep down they recognize liberalism is failing, and are here in the belly of the beast to either try to fool themselves we aren't any better or subconsciously because they want to be convinced it's time to abandon liberalism. Also trolls.
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idk if you realized this but there's an entire thread of other posts in here roughly half of which are "dore don't miss yaaaas kween"
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