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Catfish Noodlin posted:I think you've pretty well got it, he's going to be an obligate edge rusher for someone- probably a 3-4 or Pete Carroll defense. Jordan Davis is probably a NT at the next level. He's got great bend and active arms but I don't think he's fast enough to play DE in the 3-4 on either side. He's also not that good when the line shifts away from him so I doubt you want him lining up over tackles. But even so while he doesn't do a lot of destruction in the backfield he's most definitely a presence down the middle. Saw it against Auburn and Bama. I would disagree that he's a raw prospect though. He got thrust into a starting position as a nobody recruit then spent the last two years starting before going down this year. You also see his experience with his bend and lean. I honestly think he needs to get stronger when he's getting pushed by a guard away from the point of attack. When he's head on he goes full down hill. That's still super valuable and will probably land him in the first round this year, even without production.
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I wonder what the plan is for this year’s draft. Are we going to get an awkward in person draft where everyone is socially distanced and Goodell gives air fives to each draftee? I can already seed dudes with really tricked out masks that match their suits.
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Ehud posted:I wonder what the plan is for this year’s draft. Are we going to get an awkward in person draft where everyone is socially distanced and Goodell gives air fives to each draftee? covid restrictions will likely be loosened by then so most likely socially distanced + masks i just watched a boxing match that took place in dallas and they were already at 50% capacity, which, y'know, loving texas, but still
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Jan 3, 2021 01:48
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I kinda loved last years draft tbh (minus the coverage of all of the personal tragedies suffered by the players)
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Jan 3, 2021 01:51
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The NFL will get 1st and 2nd round prospects vaccinated. Use it as a big The NFL Supports Vaccination (we're going to need a PSA campaign to get dipshits vaccinated) advertising situation and an opportunity to get some good PR.
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Jan 3, 2021 01:54
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Amy Pole Her posted:They love athletic freaks though. Especially young ones. He’ll go too soon for miami. They’d give a top 2 for him i imagine. Bottom one maybe. I think the highest that we've seen the Patriots(and fwiw the six drafts run by guys running this same defense) take an OLB prospect with no coverage stuff is like the 3rd round.
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Doltos posted:Jordan Davis is probably a NT at the next level. He's got great bend and active arms but I don't think he's fast enough to play DE in the 3-4 on either side. He's also not that good when the line shifts away from him so I doubt you want him lining up over tackles. But even so while he doesn't do a lot of destruction in the backfield he's most definitely a presence down the middle. Saw it against Auburn and Bama. I would disagree that he's a raw prospect though. He got thrust into a starting position as a nobody recruit then spent the last two years starting before going down this year. You also see his experience with his bend and lean. I honestly think he needs to get stronger when he's getting pushed by a guard away from the point of attack. When he's head on he goes full down hill. That's still super valuable and will probably land him in the first round this year, even without production. I assumed we were talking about Azeez Ojulari, the Georgia OLB everyone just alludes to rather than specifically tries to type out his name.
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Doltos posted:Jordan Davis is probably a NT at the next level. He's got great bend and active arms but I don't think he's fast enough to play DE in the 3-4 on either side. He's also not that good when the line shifts away from him so I doubt you want him lining up over tackles. But even so while he doesn't do a lot of destruction in the backfield he's most definitely a presence down the middle. Saw it against Auburn and Bama. I would disagree that he's a raw prospect though. He got thrust into a starting position as a nobody recruit then spent the last two years starting before going down this year. You also see his experience with his bend and lean. I honestly think he needs to get stronger when he's getting pushed by a guard away from the point of attack. When he's head on he goes full down hill. That's still super valuable and will probably land him in the first round this year, even without production. We were talking about the OLB Azeez
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Catfish Noodlin posted:I assumed we were talking about Azeez Ojulari, the Georgia OLB everyone just alludes to rather than specifically tries to type out his name. Oh my bad I thought we were talking about the 6'6 330lbs guy because I saw 3-4 set. Ojulari is pretty much only a 3-4 LB and it really depends on what you want out of him. He's a surprisingly great edge setter and he shoots gaps with the best of them. Obviously that Cinci game is making him rise more now but he's always been talented. He's got that injury history from high school though. Crazy to think what you see on the field is two years out of an ACL tear.
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Top of the draft is Jacksonville - QB NY Jets - prob QB Miami - ??? Atlanta - ??? Cinci - Not QB Eagles - ??? If Miami got shook from Tua's awful week 17, would they go QB again? Would Atlanta go QB if they can trade Matt Ryan somewhere? If the Eagles really like Wilson and he's around at 6, would they double down on their QB Factory bullshit and draft another one? Or trades
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Top of the draft is Ryan is still playing pretty well and they basically can’t do anything with him before June 1st because they’d immediately eat $45 million in dead money, which makes him very tough to trade. I don’t think the Dolphins would take another QB when they’ve barely even gotten a look at Tua yet. Maybe if they had 1st overall, but not for any of the non-Trevor QBs. Eagles are a real possibility to take a QB since Doug seems to not want to use Hurts.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Top of the draft is Miami - Likely gets another year because of his pedigree. Sewell Atlanta - do the new guys want to keep Ryan? Cinci - BPA. Parsons but there's rumblings of him being a prick and Taylor aint Marvin. They don't really need another receiver but man Chase or Smith are hard to pass up. Trade down and grab your next favorite offensive lineman? Eagles - Hurts gets a shot. Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Hurts is such a giant question mark. There's clearly a ton of potential there but do you think he'll ever achieve it? I don't think the Eagles pass on Fields or Wilson if they fall to 6.
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Kirios posted:Hurts is such a giant question mark. There's clearly a ton of potential there but do you think he'll ever achieve it? I don't think the Eagles pass on Fields or Wilson if they fall to 6. Yeah, they can't pass on either of those players.
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Kirios posted:Hurts is such a giant question mark. There's clearly a ton of potential there but do you think he'll ever achieve it? I don't think the Eagles pass on Fields or Wilson if they fall to 6. Hasn’t Hurts shown more than Tua at this point? I wouldn’t blame either team for at least considering a QB here considering Fields is the #1 most years and Wilson is a guaranteed top 10 pick.
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What’s the closest the Lions can come to drafting an entire defense? Stafford’s probably gone too but I doubt they draft a QB this year. Unfortunately I’m struggling to think of good underclassmen to take in 2022.
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Fields is almost assuredly going second overall. Philadelphia should draft Wilson if he's there. There was a relevant article from... FO(?) last year that actually discussed the Eagles and drafting Hurts. Basically their argument was; drafting Hurts was a smart move because it greatly increased the chance that Philly had a franchise QB on the roster. From the Eagle's perspective before the 2020 draft, they didn't know if Carson would recover and be good again. Any individual qb draft prospect that falls out of the first has a fair chance of busting. So you had a ??? with Carson and a ??? with a second round QB, but having both greatly increased the chance of getting at least one good starting qb. The same logic could apply for this draft. Hurts seems okay at the least, which is solid. But he's still a ??? because he didn't get a lot of playing time (lol). But if Philly drafts Wilson then the Eagles greatly increase the chance of having a franchise QB.
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Jan 4, 2021 16:03
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Sure glad we established that winning culture in Houston.
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Curious on how much it matters but Miami is coaching the senior bowl, as they’ve moved up to 3 on the list and the two teams ahead of them are going through coaching changes.
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Amy Pole Her posted:Curious on how much it matters but Miami is coaching the senior bowl, as they’ve moved up to 3 on the list and the two teams ahead of them are going through coaching changes. My brain posted:There's no way the senior bowl is happening this year. It's scheduled for what March? They cancelled multiple bowl games there's no way.
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They have the banners up already. https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1346103481053155328
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Ok. So back to my actual question.
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Guys will show for the senior bowl this year if it goes. Likely won't effect who you take at 3 unless Smith blows the coaches the gently caress away (assuming he goes). He's the only senior who could be in consideration at 3. It may help in who you take the rest of the draft.
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Amy Pole Her posted:Ok. The bengals coaching staff loves the Senior Bowl, but obviously there's an asterisk on that.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Guys will show for the senior bowl this year if it goes. Likely won't effect who you take at 3 unless Smith blows the coaches the gently caress away (assuming he goes). He's the only senior who could be in consideration at 3. It may help in who you take the rest of the draft. That’s actually what I’m hoping. They coach up and fall in love with two or three guys expected to go bottom of the first and realize you don’t need to bother with overdrafting Smith.
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Justin Herbert was the senior bowl MVP last year fyi
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Most teams say it primarily helps with the borderline day 2/3 guys. A bunch of Bengals mid rounders are from the Senior bowl.
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I still think the Jets would be dumb to move on from Darnold. He's had zero continuity and no weapons his entire tenure there.
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Doltos posted:I still think the Jets would be dumb to move on from Darnold. He's had zero continuity and no weapons his entire tenure there. The receivers he had this year were not elite but any good QB could have worked with them. Darnold is extremely bad and you would be extremely dumb to not move on from him.
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sirtommygunn posted:The receivers he had this year were not elite but any good QB could have worked with them. Darnold is extremely bad and you would be extremely dumb to not move on from him. He had Jamison Crowder as his #1 and an overrated rookie as his #2. The Jets have nothing on offense and have had nothing on offense for 3 years now.
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sirtommygunn posted:The receivers he had this year were not elite but any good QB could have worked with them. Darnold is extremely bad and you would be extremely dumb to not move on from him. Look, I'm not saying Darnold is good, but Lamar has bad receivers and it still looks like an embarrassment of riches when compared to the Jets. They brought in 2020 Breshad Perriman as an important piece, how can you think they are anything close to decent?
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id like to see darnold turn his career around, which is why im glad he will likely have the opportunity to escape the new york jets jets haven't had good weapons on offense since about 2008
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Doltos posted:The Jets have nothing on offense and have had nothing on offense for 3 years now. You can't hamstring your head coach search by telling all the prospective candidates that they need to tie their perhaps only shot at an NFL gig to the Sam Darnold Reclamation Project, especially when he's been the literal the worst QB in the league over the past 3 years. Not happening.
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Don't forget the cap costs. If Darnold can be unfucked you then have to turn around and pay him like a starting caliber QB. If you hit a home run with a rookie you get that insanely valuable 4 year period with them on a cheap deal and spend money around them. Additionaly you flip Darnold for a 2nd or something and that's even more capital to build around your rookie. Of course it all comes down to how you assess the specific QB prospects. Fields looked like the real deal against Clemson so I'd definitely roll the dice with him.
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Mystic Stylez posted:Look, I'm not saying Darnold is good, but Lamar has bad receivers and it still looks like an embarrassment of riches when compared to the Jets. They brought in 2020 Breshad Perriman as an important piece, how can you think they are anything close to decent? I'm not saying they're good or even average, just that a good QB could have made a functional offense with them. Darnold did not even come close to "functional". This is just the usual bullshit where a draft guy liked a QB before they were drafted and makes excuses for them when they don't pan out. Darnold is terrible, his ceiling if he completely unfucks himself post-Gase is mediocre. There is absolutely no reason you stick with him if you have any chance to move on, and the Jets have the 2nd overall pick, there's no question here.
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Darnold produced way less than Tannehill did under Gase and people thumbed their nose at Tannehill. The hope people have is that he is still young and could maybe figure it out elsewhere. I think for that to be true, he's gonna need to get in a good situation on a team with a clue and ride the bench behind an older star for a few years
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While we're talking about miraculously turning bad QB's into good ones, why don't the Jets just stick with proven winner and former Elite QB Joe Flacco? He didn't have any offense to work with this year either, and did better than Darnold! How about we throw away our best chance at a new QB to stick with him? It's the exact same argument, but somehow talking about making Flacco good is absurd on its face while turning Darnold around is somehow not only possible but reasonable enough that the Jets should seriously consider it over taking a new QB.
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