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Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
You could argue that, but why would you?

I may be misunderstanding it just isn't a net gain to anyone but those wanting it easier to host child pornography in everything but name.

Wasabi the J has issued a correction as of 15:39 on Jan 2, 2021

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nut
Jul 30, 2019

Wasabi the J posted:

You could argue that, but why would you?

I may be misunderstanding it just isn't a net gain to anyone but those wanting it easier to host child pornography in everything but name.

ya that’s what I was arguing

admittedly I dunno anything about this kind of regulation but I checked out the bill and it seems to both offer an impossible amount of oversight (registering to an internet database to upload nsfw content but also you can register to refuse any nsfw content of you be uploaded?), while lowering the age of consent like previous posters mentioned. the former is argued to be so cumbersome that major platforms will just blanket ban nsfw content which would in turn hurt legitimate of-age nsfw content creators. at the same time, it looks like sisea would not only enable 16 year olds to participate but also database their details?

I may be wrong, but it sounds like if someone uploaded a naked video of you, the onus would be on you to confirm it’s you with details to the site to have it removed?

nut
Jul 30, 2019

sorry for the double post, but it also sounds that the infrastructure needed to even host anything nsfw (database, application process for identification of consent, 24-hour line to remove content from verified complaints) could p much only allow large centralized companies to even afford to exist in the industry. like Spotify and uber, it all just feels to me like another attempt to monopolize a commodity to enable even more exploitative practice.

I have to imagine at least a grain of goodwill was somewhere in the impetus of the creation of a hill to curb revenge porn, but it looks like that’s just the marketing face to a bill that would force a victim to offer their details to the federal govt. and the age of consent thing is even more telling.

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
Seems like a good way to pop someone for looking at something that is legal where it's made/hosted, just not in the jurisdiction where it's being viewed :v:

State lines are about to mean just as much for online pornography they do for human trafficking (consequences for non-billionaires only, that is)

Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor

Ziggy Smalls posted:

What I had heard from a dominatrix opposing SISEA is that it bases a person's legal ability to create pornography off of the age of consent in the state it was created. Plenty of US states have their own age of consent at 16.

EDIT: Uhhhh i just checked and 33/50 states have 16 as the age of consent. So they're effectively lowering the usual age requirement of 18 to 16 in most states. Gross.

yeah it seemed pretty hosed up that it's being presented as "pro sex worker"

Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor

nut posted:

I tried to look up sisea articles but got too grossed out when tiktok ads came up for all of them

makes it hard for me to enjoy tiktok because any time I see it posted on rando discords I can only imagine the dudes posting it spend 90% of their time on underage stuff and just repost le epic meme tiktoks

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

Seems like a good way to pop someone for looking at something that is legal where it's made/hosted, just not in the jurisdiction where it's being viewed :v:

State lines are about to mean just as much for online pornography they do for human trafficking (consequences for non-billionaires only, that is)

I was thinking the exact same thing. like that hacker guy who discovered the files implicating the govt in anthrax and they magically found child porn on his computer and had to take those files and no one was allowed to see them. it’s just that strategy on a more public scale.

nut
Jul 30, 2019

I finished the politics of heroin yesterday and thought I was burnt out but Killing Hope just came in and the intro already blew me away

Regulus74
Jul 26, 2007

nut posted:

sorry for the double post, but it also sounds that the infrastructure needed to even host anything nsfw (database, application process for identification of consent, 24-hour line to remove content from verified complaints) could p much only allow large centralized companies to even afford to exist in the industry. like Spotify and uber, it all just feels to me like another attempt to monopolize a commodity to enable even more exploitative practice.

I have to imagine at least a grain of goodwill was somewhere in the impetus of the creation of a hill to curb revenge porn, but it looks like that’s just the marketing face to a bill that would force a victim to offer their details to the federal govt. and the age of consent thing is even more telling.

bill barr's endgame is to have all of your kids' nudes indexed and searchable for his white collar criminal friends to beat off to and anyone who says anything against it to be locked up for freely exploitable labor by the very same people.

Marzzle posted:

yeah it seemed pretty hosed up that it's being presented as "pro sex worker"

There are a *lot* of anti trafficking NGOs run by epstein adjacent plutocrats and garment industry heads who will scream "but think of the women and children!" as they gleefully impoverish sex workers and throw them into magdalene laundries.

Regulus74 has issued a correction as of 19:27 on Jan 3, 2021

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

Regulus74 posted:

bill barr's endgame is to have all of your kids' nudes indexed and searchable for his white collar criminal friends to beat off to and anyone who says anything against it to be locked up for freely exploitable labor by the very same people

And now we're back, in a very roundabout way, to airport scanners- more than just a 2-dimensional image, you're getting the topography of people's bodies as they appear unclothed. All because one guy tried to set his underwear on fire and they sold the line of "if he succeeded, it woulda been another 9/11".

The purpose of security theater, beyond being a money sink for a few connected people, isn't just to give misguided citizens the impression that they're being kept safe. It's to remind the ones who know better that control is already total and that privacy does not exist for anything, least of all your body. There's no need for them to actually police people's thoughts because they just turn people's minds into self-policing prisons with reminders like that.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1345994856674557952

Backweb
Feb 14, 2009

Regulus74 posted:

bill barr's endgame is to have all of your kids' nudes indexed and searchable for his white collar criminal friends to beat off to and anyone who says anything against it to be locked up for freely exploitable labor by the very same people.

I read a few years back that if you wanted to copyright your image, you had to send nudes to the patent office. Privacy laws are hosed.

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

And now we're back, in a very roundabout way, to airport scanners- more than just a 2-dimensional image, you're getting the topography of people's bodies as they appear unclothed. All because one guy tried to set his underwear on fire and they sold the line of "if he succeeded, it woulda been another 9/11".

The purpose of security theater, beyond being a money sink for a few connected people, isn't just to give misguided citizens the impression that they're being kept safe. It's to remind the ones who know better that control is already total and that privacy does not exist for anything, least of all your body. There's no need for them to actually police people's thoughts because they just turn people's minds into self-policing prisons with reminders like that.

No problem if we were totally fine with being nude 24/7.

...Kill la Kill was prophetic.


Anybody else reading SISEA as "sissy?" Is that intentional?

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1346056986933121024?s=20

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Wanted to drop this in the thread before I lost it but Lin Wood is the StopTheSteal attorney who represented the Ramseys (yes, those Ramseys) in a number of defamation suits.

Let us not forget, also, that Maxwell is represented by the law firm that represented the Ramseys. So Trump and Maxwell both have representation that's affiliated with the Ramseys!

John Roberts is an interesting target, I can't make heads or tails of it. The Lizard Squad mention is clearly shitsmearing though and happening in concert with the (limited) release of the Nashville Bomber's writings which expressly mention Lizard People in the typical Icke manner.

The very brief Wikipedia article on Isaac Kappy, named by Wood in the screenshot of the first reply to the above, is worth your time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Kappy But I don't know anything else about the guy.

Edit: Oh Kappy is a prominent QAnon guy I guess and Wood is going along with the same QAnon op. I hope thread regulars recognize it as the wag-the -dog Trump operation it is. Still curious about Roberts - anyone know? Is he prominent, as an opponent, in the election fraud poo poo?

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 21:14 on Jan 4, 2021

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
my boss is a donor to Boys Town
:hmbol:

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
Presumably there's armed guards there to prevent you shooting the blackmailers.

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop

Dr. Killjoy posted:

my boss is a donor to Boys Town
:hmbol:

I was chatting with my friend on Zoom today and she picked up a crossword book to show she was bored. Then she joked as she read the title "yeah it's a crossword book by Proud Boys" "no just kidding it actually says Boys Town" lmao that's even worse. I guess her mom, whose mail it was, got fooled into donating

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop


Remember how in the movie Kingsman (the remarkably unsubtle movie about how posh life as an IC member makes you better than all those poors you used to know) there's a scene where the protagonist is finishing his spy training and they ask him to shoot a young girl in the face familiar to him, and he balks at it, and tonally the way it's delivered you can tell that this is supposed to be a big character flaw and failure on his part that we, the audience, are disappointed in? And they only let him in after he makes up for it or something

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Happy Thread posted:



Remember how in the movie Kingsman (the remarkably unsubtle movie about how posh life as an IC member makes you better than all those poors you used to know) there's a scene where the protagonist is finishing his spy training and they ask him to shoot a young girl in the face familiar to him, and he balks at it, and tonally the way it's delivered you can tell that this is supposed to be a big character flaw and failure on his part that we, the audience, are disappointed in? And they only let him in after he makes up for it or something

He's asked to shoot his new puppy (the gun is actually loaded with blanks) and later it turns out the Kingsman are compromised (along with pretty much every rich person on the planet, including Obama), although I don't know how the movie is intended to read.

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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

The plot is that literally every world leader is on board with a plan by some Silicon Valley rear end in a top hat to wipe out the undesirable chunk of the population so it's just barely fiction really.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
Lmao that they recycled the real-life plot from Captain America Winter Soldier.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007


gently caress, I'll take it.

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
The Asia thread also spotted Falun Gong folks mingling in the Q-Anon crowd in photos from today. When you see this crowd organizing things I think we know who ultimately gave the greenlight to today's events. Today's Reichstag Fire, to justify the expansion of powers of every enforcement body simultaneously. It already successfully got liberals who vaguely supported the protests to cheer for the police now, just in time for the Biden crackdowns to begin.

Could the nazi lady who got shot today in the capital have been an actual crisis actor, the thing nazis always accuse their enemies of? Her death was an absolutely crucial ingredient to determine the public's final reaction to this otherwise completely theatrical pitched play-fight between psyops and enforcers. She was apparently a "a high level security officer" in the air force which raises certain familiar flags. I wonder if she popped off some fake blood charges and fell backwards and then got whisked off to wherever Epstein is hiding out.

Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 08:30 on Jan 7, 2021

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
I'm pretty sure I watched that lady actually die on camera, that poo poo was haunting..

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Happy Thread posted:

Could the nazi lady who got shot today in the capital have been an actual crisis actor, the thing nazis always accuse their enemies of?

Back in 2007ish, I remember when anonymous went after Scientology. I think if I were a spook, I would have realized then (if not sooner) the power of social media to unite people behind a common boogeyman. It was amazing how many people self-organized into an online political organization. Kony 2012 and Q-anon were also able to get people behind them in a similar way to various degrees.

I’d check out the recentish episode of the “Media Roots Radio” podcast episode on Q-anon. They do a good job of showing how Pizza-gate started from alt-right assholes in Roger Stone’s (then Truml’s campaign manager) orbit, and Pizzagate started when some Epstein /Trump court documents had just dropped. Q-anon might be from the same people, or an independent spin-off, doesn’t matter. Most of these believers do nothing more than post and hype themselves up. One moron went to the pizza restaurant and put a rifle round in the ceiling.(Which is kind of amazing, you’d think if they truly believed that children were being raped and murdered in a restaurant they’d all put a stop to it.)

Similarly, what’s important here is that there is a massive cultish political movement around Trump, which believes that he is the savior, because they psychologically need a savior. Like with Q-anon, 95% of Trump’s support is keyboard warrior poo poo, and what we saw today was the remaining 5% stupid enough to believe in their own hyped-up bullshit, and angry enough to want to do some violence about it. And one caught a bullet for it.

I don’t know if crisis actors exist, but I know idiots are a dime a dozen.

Happy Thread posted:

The Asia thread also spotted Falun Gong folks mingling in the Q-Anon crowd in photos from today.

She was apparently a "a high level security officer" in the air force which raises certain familiar flags. I wonder if she popped off some fake blood charges and fell backwards and then got whisked off to wherever Epstein is hiding out.

loving spooks (and cults run by loving spooks) are in the business of overthrowing governments and causing chaos to benefit corporate interests. What do you think their politics are? People who want world peace, universal health care and a wealth tax don’t become spooks any more than decent, loving, intelligent people become cops.

I remember reading how, prior to the 2016 election, the NY FBI field office was passing around copies of “Clinton Cash” because they are Chuds. If you think the FBI requires a higher class of human in their agents, you watch too many movies.

I can 100% believe that an officer of our Armed forces wanted to do a coup. That’s what our armed forces do. That’s what they’re trained to do. That’s the kind of individual they recruit.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Wasabi the J posted:

I'm pretty sure I watched that lady actually die on camera, that poo poo was haunting..

Never seen anyone die on camera?? There's been a war on my entire life. I've seen dead and dying Palestinians, Iraqis, Afghanis, Yemenis, Libyans, Venezuelans, Colombians... men, women, children. Usually, almost always, people who were not taking any kind of stand against anything at all, who were just trying to live. Is it haunting cause she's a white imperial foot soldier?

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Never seen anyone die on camera?? There's been a war on my entire life. I've seen dead and dying Palestinians, Iraqis, Afghanis, Yemenis, Libyans, Venezuelans, Colombians... men, women, children. Usually, almost always, people who were not taking any kind of stand against anything at all, who were just trying to live. Is it haunting cause she's a white imperial foot soldier?

lol it's ok to be bothered by seeing someone die you weirdo

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
I guess you're right. I get riled up thinking about how many people a US soldier can kill in fourteen years and four tours. She went looking for a fight and found one, US victims of imperialism did no such thing. Admittedly I am probably far too comfortable with death.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Happy Thread posted:

The Asia thread also spotted Falun Gong folks mingling in the Q-Anon crowd in photos from today. When you see this crowd organizing things I think we know who ultimately gave the greenlight to today's events. Today's Reichstag Fire, to justify the expansion of powers of every enforcement body simultaneously. It already successfully got liberals who vaguely supported the protests to cheer for the police now, just in time for the Biden crackdowns to begin.

Could the nazi lady who got shot today in the capital have been an actual crisis actor, the thing nazis always accuse their enemies of? Her death was an absolutely crucial ingredient to determine the public's final reaction to this otherwise completely theatrical pitched play-fight between psyops and enforcers. She was apparently a "a high level security officer" in the air force which raises certain familiar flags. I wonder if she popped off some fake blood charges and fell backwards and then got whisked off to wherever Epstein is hiding out.

I see no reason to complicate things and say the death was faked when just randomly shooting someone would work just as well

nut
Jul 30, 2019

excited 2 learn about new exciting threats to democracy and how they can be surveilled and disarmed with one simple piece of legislation that is 8000 pages long. hopefully that bigo guy didn't take pelosi's copy from the vault

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

nut posted:

excited 2 learn about new exciting threats to democracy and how they can be surveilled and disarmed with one simple piece of legislation that is 8000 pages long. hopefully that bigo guy didn't take pelosi's copy from the vault

quote:

The New York Times has published two new articles titled "The storming of Capitol Hill was organized on social media" and "Violence on Capitol Hill Is a Day of Reckoning for Social Media", both arguing for more heavy-handed restrictions on speech from Silicon Valley tech giants.

In the former, NYT's Sheera Frenkel writes "the violence Wednesday was the result of online movements operating in closed social media networks where people believed the claims of voter fraud and of the election being stolen from Mr. Trump," citing the expert analysis of think tank spinmeister Renee DiResta of "Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset" fame. As usual no mention is made of DiResta's involvement in the New Knowledge scandal in which a Russian interference "false flag" was staged for an Alabama Senate race.

“These people are acting because they are convinced an election was stolen,” DiResta said. “This is a demonstration of the very real-world impact of echo chambers.”

“This has been a striking repudiation of the idea that there is an online and an offline world and that what is said online is in some way kept online,” DiResta adds.

This narrative which seeds the idea that unregulated communication on the internet will lead to violent uprisings is funny coming from Frankel, who, as a Twitter follower recently observed, wrote a piece in 2018 condemning the Iranian government for restricting protesters' social media access during the demonstrations at that time.

"Social media and messaging apps have become crucial to antigovernment demonstrators around the world, as a means of both organizing and delivering messages to other citizens," Frankel wrote. "Not surprisingly, restricting access to such technology has become as important to government crackdowns as the physical presence of the police."

In the other article, co-authored by Frankel, Mike Isaac and Kate Conger, the message is driven home even less subtly.

"As pro-Trump protesters stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday and halted the certification of Electoral College votes, the role of social media companies such as Twitter, Facebook and YouTube in spreading misinformation and being a megaphone for Mr. Trump came under renewed criticism," reads the article, adding, "So when violence broke out in Washington on Wednesday, it was, in the minds of longtime critics, the day the chickens came home to roost for the social media companies."

The article reports on the US president's temporary suspension of social media privileges for allegedly inciting violence with his posts, then discusses the various kinds of disinformation and violent ideation being circulated in Trump discussion forums.

"Those alternative social media sites were rife with Trump supporters organizing and communicating on Wednesday," NYT tells us. "On Parler, one trending hashtag was #stormthecapitol. Many Trump supporters on the sites also appeared to believe a false rumor that Antifa, a left-wing movement, was responsible for committing violence at the protests."

“We know the social media companies have been lackadaisical at best” at stopping extremism from growing on their platforms, Jonathan Greenblatt, director of the Anti-Defamation League, told NYT. “Freedom of expression is not the freedom to incite violence. That is not protected speech.”

We will likely see many more such articles in the coming days, arguing for increased regulation of internet communication to prevent future incidents like today.

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
There were Tibet and South Vietnam flags at the protest yesterday too

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Never seen anyone die on camera?? There's been a war on my entire life. I've seen dead and dying Palestinians, Iraqis, Afghanis, Yemenis, Libyans, Venezuelans, Colombians... men, women, children. Usually, almost always, people who were not taking any kind of stand against anything at all, who were just trying to live. Is it haunting cause she's a white imperial foot soldier?

I am familiar with what it looks like.

I don't like seeing people dying, even people I hate. I used to be an internet ghoul who watched a lot of gore and death videos to "toughen up" and pretty much have myself PTSD.

I think it's more likely that the cops and security forces tried to underplay their presence to get tensions down, and others were willfully being passive. I would wager any spies in there they were doing their own thing to get intel/access, and not be waving a big flag..

Once people got to where the real government work was still occurring is when the lady got shot.

:nms: death, shooting, pov.

https://twitter.com/thejaydenxander/status/1347056697899163648?s=20

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

nut posted:

excited 2 learn about new exciting threats to democracy and how they can be surveilled and disarmed with one simple piece of legislation that is 8000 pages long. hopefully that bigo guy didn't take pelosi's copy from the vault

Yeah this is the bigger picture threat.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

i recommend the confession killer on netflix if you want to crack and ping a little.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

:thunk:

https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/executive-team posted:

Chief Sund is a recognized expert in critical incident management and active shooter preparedness and response. His experience involves being the on-scene incident commander on the 2009 shooting at the National Holocaust Museum, the 2012 shooting at the Family Research Council, and the 2013 active shooter incident at the Washington Navy Yard.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Holy poo poo he's had some "bad luck"

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
man, this shift is really boring. i wish something interesting would happen...

*monkey's paw curls*

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
I believe that means he was in charge after poo poo went down, not prior to and on his watch

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Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

500excf type r posted:

I believe that means he was in charge after poo poo went down, not prior to and on his watch

So he is the Michael Baden of mass shootings as opposed to the Pete Zalewski

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