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goddamnedtwisto posted:They did mention hydro earlier, while berating wind for destroying nature and wildlife, which... erm... this is 100% because OP lives near some hills but not any lakes or rivers
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TheRat posted:I gotta say, I didn't expect this to be the thread where wanting to preserve nature in the face of limitless global growth would be met with harsh hostility We're socialists not greens mate
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TheRat posted:In our particular case, exporting to the EU because we already cover our own needs through hydropower. Which means that other places can burn less coal... do you think that you can build a wall around norway and keep the foreign air out?
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Julio Cruz posted:this is 100% because OP lives near some hills but not any lakes or rivers I just looked at a map of Norway and that's probably not true
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Julio Cruz posted:this is 100% because OP lives near some hills but not any lakes or rivers lol, I live near several massive hydropower plants
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lol imagine looking at the impending climate change catastrophe and thinking "well we're doing enough, this is someone else's problem"
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TheRat posted:lol, I live near several massive hydropower plants go back to talking about birds, at least then you can pretend you give a poo poo about anything other than yourself
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FiftySeven posted:Unironically, as far as I understand it, Nuclear is the best option we have for meeting green targets while also meeting future energy demands. Agreed
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They built a wind farm off of redcar and you can see it from miles up and down the coast, and inland too if you're coming down the hills, it's gorgeous to look at, all the turbines spinning in the sea, dark against the sun from saltburn or bright in the blue coming down towards the town. Carpet the coast in the things for all I care it'll be great.
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Julio Cruz posted:go back to talking about birds, at least then you can pretend you give a poo poo about anything other than yourself Its quite amazing how over the years you always manage to be the biggest oval office in these threads by a mile
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TheRat posted:Its quite amazing how over the years you always manage to be the biggest oval office in these threads by a mile yeah I'm a bigger oval office than the guy saying "well all those people can drown because mah hills  "
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I think theres places where wind turbines look great and probably places where the landscape looked better without them. The tesco in york used to have twizzly ones in the car park which seems like a nice idea. But theyre not there anymore so I guess they didnt work. I had a long conversation a while ago with my brother about the economics of English villages having their own wind turbine each like they used to have an old windmill. Whether it could work to let people see where their power is coming from and feel a little ownership over 'their' turbine, whether that would help to combat nimbyism. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Whether or not they're beautiful, wind turbines look better than traditional power stations by quite a margin, and unfortunately we've got to have something blotting the landscape.  Wind farms are still cooler than fossil fuels though. These also look awesome.  serious gaylord posted:Boiling ones piss
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There's a big wind turbine at the south tip of Reading, just past the main motorway junction. When I lived there, I'd drive back from work every day, see that big old turbine spinning away and think to myself: "Ok, only another 20 minutes until home, if I'm lucky.
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Guavanaut posted:These also look awesome. And can flash fry poultry mid-flight, you can stand at the bottom and have it just rain roast carrion into your open mouth
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Guavanaut posted:
The big tower in the middle's for focusing the collective power of the panels like a gigantic laser beam, right? Don't disappoint me!
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I had a long conversation a while ago with my brother about the economics of English villages having their own wind turbine each like they used to have an old windmill. Whether it could work to let people see where their power is coming from and feel a little ownership over 'their' turbine, whether that would help to combat nimbyism. That's how it was sold to the villages in Norway, and now that they're up they're pretty much universally hated. Pretty much reverse of what you suggested.
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Guavanaut posted:These also look awesome. Want to kick the first one over and watch what happens. The tower takes off like a rocket?
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Pistol_Pete posted:The big tower in the middle's for focusing the collective power of the panels like a gigantic laser beam, right? Don't disappoint me! Now witness the awesome power of this fully operational solar farm! 
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Why are you all focusing on wind turbines on hills anyway. Offshore wind is where it's at. Just build gently caress off massive wind turbine clusters off shore in the windy seas and we all good. Build some nuclear plants for your base load too and you have a green, sustainable mix. Maybe a couple of back up 'clean' (yes I know it's not completely clean) gas, just in case for those cold wintery days of surge energy. And for the sake of fairness, we should recognise that the UK actually has a pretty good and progressive energy mix, and it is getting better every year.
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AFAIK hydroelectric is the worst offender out there for decimating ecosystems and the lives of the people around them. It's as bad as mining for getting indigenous leaders disappeared or killed in Latin America.
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Amazing that you cannot buy off horrible rural villagers with anything other than racism and flags.
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Ewan posted:Why are you all focusing on wind turbines on hills anyway. Offshore wind is where it's at. Just build gently caress off massive wind turbine clusters off shore in the windy seas and we all good. Build some nuclear plants for your base load too and you have a green, sustainable mix. Maybe a couple of back up 'clean' (yes I know it's not completely clean) gas, just in case for those cold wintery days of surge energy. By far the coolest part of watching Tenet was the epic offshore wind farm shots. The second coolest thing was going to the cinema during a pandemic to see an utterly confused sci-fi Bond movie/watch ad
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OwlFancier posted:They built a wind farm off of redcar and you can see it from miles up and down the coast, and inland too if you're coming down the hills, it's gorgeous to look at, all the turbines spinning in the sea, dark against the sun from saltburn or bright in the blue coming down towards the town. Carpet the coast in the things for all I care it'll be great. Can confirm, pretty much everyone I know from round there (a lot of people) thinks they’re ace, as do I. It’s fun to see which ones are on when you drive to Redcar, and they’re an interesting thing to point out when people visit.
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Guavanaut posted:These also look awesome. Concentrated solar *is* awesome and we should definitely be paying Saharan and other desert nations an absolute shitload to put them up everywhere. You don't want them anywhere not-desert because a) unlike PV they're pretty binary - they can't generate any power at all if cloud cover gets above a certain amount and b) they are actually as dangerous to bird life as some people think wind turbines are - bird sees a nice big place to roost and gets Death Star-ed. The only real problem with them is that - because you do have to put them in deserts, where people tend not to be - you have to have a load of lossy and unreliable very-long-range power transmission kit to actually get the juice where it needs to go. I've also no doubt at all that if it does happen it'll actually turn into a couple of hundred mini Volta Dams that somehow manage to completely gently caress over people living for hundreds of miles around.
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I've lived in several parts of Wales (all rural), and the attitudes towards wind turbines vary quite a bit depending on the area. On Anglesey, wind turbines were the devil's work, and the locals campaigned aggressively against them. I used to pass through parts of mid wales where the locals were campaigning almost as hard for wind turbines. Several individual turbines and solar farms have gone up locally, without anybody raising an eyebrow. There are some older or small-scale hydroelectric plants here and there, but any new large-scale welsh hydro developments are unlikely cofiwch dryweryn.
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Jakabite posted:Can confirm, pretty much everyone I know from round there (a lot of people) thinks they’re ace, as do I. It’s fun to see which ones are on when you drive to Redcar, and they’re an interesting thing to point out when people visit. They contrast nicely with the decaying steel mill and the south gare.
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Hasn’t solar come on leaps and bounds recently, to the point where it’s actually cheaper than fossil fuels? Not that it’s a great option in this country though.
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TheRat posted:That's how it was sold to the villages in Norway, and now that they're up they're pretty much universally hated. Pretty much reverse of what you suggested. Norway has a lot of water, latitude, altitude and oil. Why should Norwegians care about a little global warming.
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Noxville posted:Hasn’t solar come on leaps and bounds recently, to the point where it’s actually cheaper than fossil fuels? Not that it’s a great option in this country though. Yes, but it still doesn't work when it's cold and dark.
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My friend got a full firearms response in his garden today because someone called the police to say they’d seen a “strange man wielding a pick axe leaving [neighbours] house.” The police saw my friend was digging a hole and immediately stood down but asked him about the wielding (“how can I use a pickaxe without wielding it?”) and going round to the neighbours (“yes I went to borrow his pickaxe”). Conversations this afternoon prove the caller meant well and was just worried because they didn’t think the neighbour would loan tools “to someone like that” so assumed theft or worse. My friend is, of course, the only black man in the village.
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Noxville posted:Hasn’t solar come on leaps and bounds recently, to the point where it’s actually cheaper than fossil fuels? Not that it’s a great option in this country though. Many renewables have been cheaper than fossil fuel extraction in the West for some time, if you removed subsidies
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Pistol_Pete posted:The big tower in the middle's for focusing the collective power of the panels like a gigantic laser beam, right? Don't disappoint me! Alas no, you'd need an extremely complex mirror (that could change shape constantly) to do that. Now, with most of them, they *do* have steerable mirrors on the ground so you could theoretically use them to destroy aircraft (or at least make the pilots extremely hot and probably blind) but you're not really able to use it like a wizard's tower to wipe out the competing power plants. Hmm, but if you had a flying parabolic mirror...
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Failed Imagineer posted:By far the coolest part of watching Tenet was the epic offshore wind farm shots. Best part about Tenet was missing key, plot-crucial pieces of dialogue because the sound mixing was so hosed. Second best was Christopher Nolan being in denial when everyone complained about it, saying that people were just "too conservative" and couldn't handle his visionary sound mixing (no Christopher, we just want to be able to make out what people are saying at crucial moments...!).
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Ewan posted:Why are you all focusing on wind turbines on hills anyway. Offshore wind is where it's at. Just build gently caress off massive wind turbine clusters off shore in the windy seas and we all good. Build some nuclear plants for your base load too and you have a green, sustainable mix. Maybe a couple of back up 'clean' (yes I know it's not completely clean) gas, just in case for those cold wintery days of surge energy. why not, and hear me out on this, build both? particularly as offshore turbines are a hell of a lot more difficult to engineer than onshore ones maybe if we get plenty of both then we won't even need those gas plants you mention
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The best type of power plant is a giant array of solar panels in space that then transmit the energy down to earth via a highly-concentrated microwave energy beam aimed at a receiver. If you remember to turn off disasters then there are zero downsides to this.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Many renewables have been cheaper than fossil fuel extraction in the West for some time, if you removed subsidies
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jiggerypokery posted:Norway has a lot of water, latitude, altitude and oil. Why should Norwegians care about a little global warming. It's fine, all the oil is sold to other countries to fund Teslas for Norwegians.
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FiftySeven posted:Unironically, as far as I understand it, Nuclear is the best option we have for meeting green targets while also meeting future energy demands. Irish people's fear around Nuclear Power has always been that the UK would build more power plants and that Lord Brexit's plan for radioactive waste water was to put it in power hoses and aim them straight at the East Coast of Ireland. Ewan posted:The best type of power plant is a giant array of solar panels in space that then transmit the energy down to earth via a highly-concentrated microwave energy beam aimed at a receiver. 80's documentary Robocop had one of these in South America, and talked about it flame striking the Rain Forests accidentally. The Question IRL fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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