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Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Rarity posted:

This loving video :ohno:

I already said it in the Dragon Age and Anthem threads, but it bears repeating,

Skippy McPants posted:

The guy who voices Cullen and Anders being an alt-right wing nut is so on the nose it hurts.

I hope he enjoys having his career implode. Like, being a reactionary shithead already isn't great for your media profile. But pulling a JonTron in the voice of a character you don't own—even if the voice itself isn't under copyright—is a great loving way to make sure nobody ever wants to work with you again.

Shame for the fans of the character, but the Milkshake Ducks come for all our heroes in due time.

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FUCK SNEEP
Apr 21, 2007




https://twitter.com/BioMarkDarrah/status/1334923897402060801
https://twitter.com/BioMarkDarrah/status/1334928056566251521

Some good tweets from the recently departed from BioWare Mark Darrah.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008


This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!
It's less his career ending and more him just changing careers. The right wing grift train is an extremely easy way to make money.

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013
Greg Ellis' video is a never-ending stream of the funniest, cringiest poo poo. It's impossible for me to even be apalled by it, it's an unintentional self-parody. Absolutely amazing.

Also, I dunno, is there really that much space for yet another right-wing grifter that's repackaging the same horseshit as Jordan Peterson but in ways that make it harder to offer plausible deniability and while pretending to be a fictional character in a pathetic attempt to weaponize the fans that find that character hot?

EDIT: I know it's incredibly hard to get to the end, but my god, it's loving hysterical how he talks about Cullen's dead parents IN CHARACTER and then switches to talk about the tagline BioWare's marketing used on the game's website. Absolute masterclass.

Fair Bear Maiden fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Dec 6, 2020

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Skippy McPants posted:

Shame for the fans of the character, but the Milkshake Ducks come for all our heroes in due time.

No it doesnt. There are plenty of talented actors, designers, artist, politicians, etc that arent sex pests, or racists. Nor do they have a dark secret. Many, in fact id say most, are genuinely good people.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008


This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

Fair Bear Maiden posted:

Also, I dunno, is there really that much space for yet another right-wing grifter that's repackaging the same horseshit as Jordan Peterson but in ways that make it harder to offer plausible deniability and while pretending to be a fictional character in a pathetic attempt to weaponize the fans that find that character hot?

Yes.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING
Ol' Jorp's on the decline and I'm sure this is not the only one who smells blood in the water.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

https://twitter.com/alienmelon/status/1333918476948303872

the cecilia d'anastasio thing is a story thats already been going around (lied to rape victims about not publishing their stories/using their names, then published them and used their names) but she wrote some cyberpunk 2077 article thats being cited so its worth reminding people

Kay Kessler
May 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/shirgoldbird/status/1343693358439387136

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

Huh, wonder why the board of directors is so attached to this guy. Seems like kicking his rear end to the curb would have been the smart play no matter how you slice it.

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover

actually I'm gonna read through all this before I drop a hot take

Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Dec 29, 2020

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

e: this might not actually be relevant to this thread so I'm deleting it, my bad

paradoxGentleman fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Dec 29, 2020

John_A_Tallon
Nov 22, 2000

Oh my! Check out that mitre!

Violen posted:

what is this phenomenon that forces people to stumble over to show their whole rear end weaponizing loving abuse victims to win internet video game community arguments lol

thats two in two days

They believe it to be an opportunity to exercise power. Ideally they'd be completely wrong, but tools intended for defense are usually pretty powerful when misused for attacking, so it's up to people who don't want their defensive power diluted to call it out when they see it. Most people don't think about it one way or another, so the incorrect use of that power doesn't get called out like it should, or when it does it gets ignored.

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover

.

Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jan 4, 2021

John_A_Tallon
Nov 22, 2000

Oh my! Check out that mitre!

Hub Cat posted:

Umm huh so I guess Gaijin Entertainment(War Thunder),Wargaming(World of Tanks), and Plarium(Raid: Shadow Legends) are running sponsored advertising on channels supporting pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine:Big video game developer fund terror through online adverts
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1345661893537636353?s=20

I can understand wanting to get eyes on an issue but is this the thread for that? You might serve your purpose better if you made a dedicated thread about it. The article you linked has an obvious bias, so much so that I'd welcome a well researched post about product placement in videos by guys with shady ties to Russian attackers. The article gives you plenty of points to dig deeper into who made these decisions.

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover

Yeah fair enough I'll pull it, this is pretty far afield even in the "game companies doing bad" vein and the article obviously has issues as you said. I'll see if I can get something together for a thread and maybe one of the gaming sites will pick it up.

Edit: Doesn't seem like there is much here anyway. Guy pulled the sponsored vids. Looks like shady company hired out a shadier ad agency that didn't do any kind of vetting. I know some of the gunnier YT channels were complaining about pushy ad agencies a few months ago. The rest was YouTube auto applying ads which while funny/terrible isn't news.

Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jan 4, 2021

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

https://twitter.com/cecianasta/status/1346166608910286849

cecilia d'anastasio posted this victim blaming, back-patting bullshit about the time she outright lied to a victim of sex abuse to get a good story, and ofc theres a ton of game journos and kotaku people circling the wagons.

this is the industry. even the people going 'believe victims' only do it when its convenient to them. theres brianna wu using the phrase 'probably acted ethically'

https://twitter.com/alienmelon/status/1333918476948303872

heres a decent summary of the allegations if you dont know

Endorph fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jan 4, 2021

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Endorph posted:

theres brianna wu using the phrase 'probably acted ethically'

funny thing about ethics really, if you have to guess about it you can be sure it's not ethical.

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


A former Kotaku writer (editor, maybe? not sure) wrote a whole essay on how terrible kotaku was as a workplace, including a paragraph on Cecilia's reporting. It really backs up Natalie Lawhead's allegations, I think it's important context:

quote:

I spoke out openly and often about the leadership problems I saw. This kept me in a constant state of anger and exhaustion. That came to a head when the situation with Nathalie Lawhead surfaced — a situation I found out about on Twitter via her posts, not via the male leadership that was quietly “handling” it behind the scenes. A good chunk of the staff was horrified and didn’t feel comfortable with the site supporting Cecilia the way it did, if not because of their personal feelings about sexual assault then because they had experienced the exact sort of abrasive, careless behavior Lawhead detailed with regard to Cecilia in her story. For those of us trying to look into this and get things resolved the right way, we were met with an obtuse, bad-faith focus on Cecilia’s reporting acumen. As my own rage reached a fever pitch, a fellow editor continued to frame the issue as us “not liking” Cecilia rather than Cecilia being a person notorious at GMG for microaggressions and narcissistic behavior. I later found out from another former Kotaku employee that her issues with Cecilia had been framed in exactly the same way when she tried to voice concerns — a personal spat between women. In fact, a lot of real problems at Kotaku were minimized to personal spats, leaving several people feeling they had no real recourse to resolve anything.

The bolded is almost exactly how the people supporting Cecilia today are responding!

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

It's pretty telling that a number of people are backing up bad experiences with kotaku while the defense amounts to waving it off because they're friends and couldn't do anything bad.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Endorph posted:

https://twitter.com/cecianasta/status/1346166608910286849

cecilia d'anastasio posted this victim blaming, back-patting bullshit about the time she outright lied to a victim of sex abuse to get a good story, and ofc theres a ton of game journos and kotaku people circling the wagons.
Thankfully most of the replies I'm seeing there are people calling her out, not many supportive ones. The supportive ones of note are Brianna Wu (real tonedeaf) and a project manager at Blizzard.

Also Nathalie Lawhead is cool and good.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

And people wonder why these journalism sites are mocked relentlessly.

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Endorph posted:

https://twitter.com/cecianasta/status/1346166608910286849

cecilia d'anastasio posted this victim blaming, back-patting bullshit about the time she outright lied to a victim of sex abuse to get a good story, and ofc theres a ton of game journos and kotaku people circling the wagons.

this is the industry. even the people going 'believe victims' only do it when its convenient to them. theres brianna wu using the phrase 'probably acted ethically'

https://twitter.com/alienmelon/status/1333918476948303872

heres a decent summary of the allegations if you dont know

I really do wonder where Kotaku gets its credibility from, honestly

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

I really do wonder where Kotaku gets its credibility from, honestly

they had one outstanding writer, and a handful of pretty good ones, and they built up goodwill by writing seemingly "progressive" articles.

loving sucks to see that progressive image was partially built on abusive behavior.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

I really do wonder where Kotaku gets its credibility from, honestly

Especially since its descended from the same culture as "gawker" the "lol the judge can get hosed were publishing this sex tape" and the big brain exec who felt comfortable under oath saying they'd publish a sex tape of a 7 year old if it was deemed of significant interest.

Peter thiel bankrolling Hulk Hogan to sue Gawker into oblivion is a unfortunate case of using the courts in a personal vendetta but the outcome being overall positive.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Endorph posted:

https://twitter.com/cecianasta/status/1346166608910286849

cecilia d'anastasio posted this victim blaming, back-patting bullshit about the time she outright lied to a victim of sex abuse to get a good story, and ofc theres a ton of game journos and kotaku people circling the wagons.

this is the industry. even the people going 'believe victims' only do it when its convenient to them. theres brianna wu using the phrase 'probably acted ethically'

https://twitter.com/alienmelon/status/1333918476948303872

heres a decent summary of the allegations if you dont know

yeah she sounds real scummy. like when telling these stories, you have to listen to what the victims actually want told and what they don't. spewing everything for raitings and headpats is hosed. also since when has Wu known about anything? she always came off as weird rear end in a top hat who tried to get attention by any means including gross dumb poo poo and running for office.



pentyne posted:

Especially since its descended from the same culture as "gawker" the "lol the judge can get hosed were publishing this sex tape" and the big brain exec who felt comfortable under oath saying they'd publish a sex tape of a 7 year old if it was deemed of significant interest.

Peter thiel bankrolling Hulk Hogan to sue Gawker into oblivion is a unfortunate case of using the courts in a personal vendetta but the outcome being overall positive.

yeah. it sucks because Hogan is kinda gross and Theil is a monster but Gawker was too loving dumb to know how to pick fights when it comes to monsters with power. you dont loving out him in dumb embarrassing way and use it as an "lol he a homo". that isnt speaking truth to power, or at least the type that results in better world.

Viewtiful Jew
Apr 21, 2007
Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!

ErrEff posted:

Thankfully most of the replies I'm seeing there are people calling her out, not many supportive ones. The supportive ones of note are Brianna Wu (real tonedeaf) and a project manager at Blizzard.


But what about the certain hateful agendas?

https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status/1346213399898689537

If Cecilia has to accept accountability for what she's done then the bad side wins.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

I think this one is even better.

https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status/1346213398132924416

"Obviously I don't know what the gently caress I'm talking about because I haven't really looked into it but Cecilia acted professionally when I spoke to her once for an article and that's good enough for me, so clearly that must mean the source is a bad person and deserves your scorn"

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Reporters job is to turn other people's suffering into advertising dollars. So it's in their interest to avoid people criticizing how the sausage is made.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Viewtiful Jew posted:

But what about the certain hateful agendas?

https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status/1346213399898689537

If Cecilia has to accept accountability for what she's done then the bad side wins.

the way a lot of these people deploy gamergate as a shield whenever their own ethics are questioned is terrible, and its pretty constant

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Endorph posted:

the way a lot of these people deploy gamergate as a shield whenever their own ethics are questioned is terrible, and its pretty constant

"If we actually make this person suffer consequences for the lovely things they do, then Gamergate wins" is basically why I don't really weigh much value in video game discourse.

Do you have a list of these, though? I don't know of that many instances. I can personally name two.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Anyone who is giving CdA even the time of day basically show they haven't even looked at any of Nathalie's extensive receipts and are just going off CdA's thread.

The literal first sentences of Nathalie's post are acknowledging that she had to write it because someone was going to make a YouTube about it and that person was formerly a gator. She let them go ahead with it because they were one of the few people who wanted to use their platform to help her, and she spends multiple paragraphs saying that obviously she is against GG, that she has been previously harassed by gators, and she doesn't want this to elevate GG in any way

That apex legends dev "just asking questions durf I dunno what's going on" is a real piece of poo poo

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Ibram Gaunt posted:

And people wonder why these journalism sites are mocked relentlessly.

Most of the time it seems to be people being pissy about journalists being bad at games sometimes, though I don't doubt that people are still mad at Kotaku or Polygon for one reason or another.

Y'know, before CdA was getting called out for being poo poo.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Endorph posted:

the way a lot of these people deploy gamergate as a shield whenever their own ethics are questioned is terrible, and its pretty constant

Yeah, people who have done wrong but just happen to be "woke" always use the specter of "bad guys" as why you shouldn't criticize them. Or at least their apologists will.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Endorph posted:

the way a lot of these people deploy gamergate as a shield whenever their own ethics are questioned is terrible, and its pretty constant

Yeah pretty much but it was sadly always gonna be that way. That being said. I mostly see it with weird dumb poo poo. Like a person will have a dumb hot take and get laughed at or pointed out that it was dumb and they will go to full “actually I am right because disagreement is letting the chuds win or just like gamergate”

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Massively popular streamer CallmeCarson accused of grooming an underaged fan.

https://twitter.com/miniborb/status/1346304892688855041?s=20

He was 19 and she was 17 so this might not seem so bad at first glance but holy moly these DMs. Among other creepiness he says he knows what he’s doing is wrong and does it anyway.

https://twitter.com/miniborb/status/1346307095143059457?s=20

Also this story was broken by fuckin Keemstar of all people. A broken clock ect. ect.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yeah '19 year old dating 17 year old' is whatever but

https://twitter.com/miniborb/status/1346304945658753026

this is hosed up. literally just going straight into the DMs of a fan and using his fame to try and get sex, lol

Endorph fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Jan 5, 2021

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

making wolf noises and pounding foot against the floor every time a girl is in my twitter replies

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Also since she was underage her nudes are literally considered child porn. Not to mention Carson says this isn’t his first time getting nudes from a minor...

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hazardousmouse
Dec 17, 2010

A small personal aside. I've been using "later gators!" as a goodbye for decades. Please don't ruin this by forging associations with GG assholes.

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