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Jose posted:He's so poo poo "Should educate people" is infuriating. The last 5 years AT LEAST in the UK, USA and others have shown that education is not the problem - people just want to believe a contrary stance because it makes them feel smart. Educating them to the reality isn't going to do poo poo. Edit: Page number is the number.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Well as a society we've agreed on the order of operations ( I assume it's the same in non-Anglophone countries even if they don't use BEDMAS/BOMDAS/PEDMAS or whatever). But yeah it becomes more a test of cultural recollection than any objective measure of logic or whatever. Jedit posted:Prosecuting antivaxxers isn't poo poo.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I've been working at home since March and I love it. Yeah, likewise - even after the pandemic is finally over I've got it in writing my job is work-from-home pretty much permanently apart from occasional meetings. (Something I'd been arguing for years beforehand, but hey-o).
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Olpainless posted:He IS hugely poo poo but not for this, can't disagree that antivax should be considered a crime, because seriously, it's killed people Yeah this goes back to the free speech chat from a previous thread, where some people (esp Americans) start from Free speech is a right, so if people want to say anti-vaxx stuff, what can we do?  While I start from Do we want people to be able to tell dangerous lies y/n? ^^ Yes, it should be proportionate. Conspiracy Bob on Twitter should be banned after being reported with the "is spreading dangerous lies" button (which of course doesn't exist), people with massive platforms should be whacked with a big legal stick Bobstar fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Jan 6, 2021 |
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Red Oktober posted:"Should educate people" is infuriating. The last 5 years AT LEAST in the UK, USA and others have shown that education is not the problem - people just want to believe a contrary stance because it makes them feel smart. Educating them to the reality isn't going to do poo poo. Which people? Why those people in particular?
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Jan 6, 2021 12:00
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Guavanaut posted:I think it's a bit of programming for engineers brain but I never trust anything I'm asking to do a calculation to have an order of operations approaching anything agreed by humans, so use brackets for clarity wherever possible. Same should go for communication on social media if you really want to communicate something well, so we should devote as much "u r genus" to actually communicating an idea properly as to interpreting it. Oh for sure, the lack of brackets makes my brain itchy as well. And once you gently caress (and are hosed by) Excel for.long enough, the brackets become part of your soul
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Jan 6, 2021 12:02
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Education doesn't work when you have a media that will broadcast bullshit purely for reaction and treat it as on par with experts. Having said that making it a crime not to get the vaccine plays into those bullshitter's hands as they treat it like a conspiracy. I don't know what the solution is but killing Rupert Murdoch (in Minecraft) would probably help.
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Jan 6, 2021 12:03
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Bobstar posted:Yeah this goes back to the free speech chat from a previous thread, where some people (esp Americans) start from American free speech 'absolutists' (which undoubtedly aren't that either, they're normally just loving nazis) have poisoned debate on this forever pretty much. Protecting most categories of speech, absolutely cool. Want to criticise government? loving go for it. Want to say that solid science about vaccines is garbage? Get hosed. Even if it wasn't prosecuted, there's still a huge thing that people don't seem to want to have apply, which is that freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.
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If them anti-vaxers were in china they'd get caught in a big net  like that and bundled in till a van and taken away for a beating imo
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Jan 6, 2021 12:05
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there’s so much that could have been done to stop the antivaxx movement, banning youtube for example
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Jan 6, 2021 12:06
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Vaccinnes are Brexit but it only takes 20% of people to be thicker than average which is a statistical certainty. Yes, Brendan, that IS what it means to be patronising you aspiring nonce
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There is a lot you can do with anti vaxxers that shouldn't be calling to lock then up. Why not call for the locking up of the people with a public platform whi promote covid denialism or just the huge levels of corruption? Except starmer is a cop so blaming andocking up the public is all he can think of
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Olpainless posted:American free speech 'absolutists' (which undoubtedly aren't that either, they're normally just loving nazis) have poisoned debate on this forever pretty much. Protecting most categories of speech, absolutely cool. Want to criticise government? loving go for it. Want to say that solid science about vaccines is garbage? Get hosed. Goes hand in hand with their constitution being a holy document handed down by the God-founders (see: right to arm bears), rather than a tool whose usefulness will change with the times. Even the term "freedom of speech" is unhelpful, I think I previously mentioned some judge who took the term literally, so (my examples) shouting fire in a crowded theatre is protected speech, because you're speaking with your face, but wearing an armband in protest isn't, because no face-speaking is involved. It's just total brain worms. If you call it "free expression of sincerely held opinions", you fix those two things, dangerous lies, and bad faith JAQ-offs/devil's advocates all at once. Gonzo McFee posted:Having said that making it a crime not to get the vaccine plays into those bullshitter's hands as they treat it like a conspiracy. There's a difference between punishing for not getting the vaccine, and punishing for spreading lies about vaccines though. For the former, I favour free choice, but if you don't get it you can't do [several everyday things].
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Pablo Bluth posted:This all reminds me of this video that Youtube decided to show me recently. Guavanaut posted:Badly worded question problem, they were obviously going for addition but hosed the wording. Reminds me of all those "only genius will get this" social media questions like 4 + 2 * 5 - 1 = ? and the correct answer is "define your order of operations binch". This is why I don't usually bother with those number things that go round on FB - so open to interpretation of the language used or the order of operations then people start squabbling (let alone those who are plain wrong.) Call me a spoilsport, but I normally enjoy spoiling those "amazing how does it do it wow add this to the birth year do this that and the other to it and wow your age comes out" ones by showing how all the poo poo you do to the age you start with cancels out. It's also my life's work on social media to ruin all these 'amazing - pick a card and oh think about it and oh look it's vanished from the final slide, how does it know what I'm thinking' by explaining them as in so have all the rest so no matter what you chose it's not there anymore things. Guavanaut posted:I think it's a bit of programming for engineers brain but I never trust anything I'm asking to do a calculation to have an order of operations approaching anything agreed by humans, so use brackets for clarity wherever possible. Same should go for communication on social media if you really want to communicate something well, so we should devote as much "u r genus" to actually communicating an idea properly as to interpreting it. I use copious brackets in formulae on spreadsheets or databases or programs or when using my calculator.
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There are countries where Holocaust denial is specifically a crime - I don't see why we can't do the same for COVID.
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Guavanaut posted:Badly worded question problem, they were obviously going for addition but hosed the wording. Reminds me of all those "only genius will get this" social media questions like 4 + 2 * 5 - 1 = ? and the correct answer is "define your order of operations binch". Ummmm I don't know about you but I was taught about operator precedence in I think primary school. There is a defined order of operations.
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Jan 6, 2021 12:16
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I believe there should be legal ramifications for publishing anti science bollocks up to and including ten years in prison, but only because I believe that to be the quickest way to put the entirety of British Journalism behind bars.
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Jan 6, 2021 12:17
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Bobstar posted:Yeah this goes back to the free speech chat from a previous thread, where some people (esp Americans) start from I agree but there's a part of my brain that can't help but make slippery slope arguments. What happens when Johnson and chums decide that "socialism can work" is a dangerous lie and act accordingly? I guess I just struggle to trust this particular government with anything more nuanced than an eggcup.
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Jan 6, 2021 12:18
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You can't just make laws without considering the reality of how our society chooses to enforce laws. And the reality is that the people with a platform who spread this stuff are not the kind of people who get prosecuted for the things they say. Do you really believe that Allison Pearson or Toby Young would ever see the inside of a prison cell for the covid denialist columns they write? Or even be charged?
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stev posted:I agree but there's a part of my brain that can't help but make slippery slope arguments. What happens when Johnson and chums decide that "socialism can work" is a dangerous lie and act accordingly? There is no slippery slope. Anyone who wants to say socialism is poo poo or fantastic is free to do so, because it is an opinion. What you should not be free to do is to deny proven facts without evidence of your own.
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feedmegin posted:Ummmm I don't know about you but I was taught about operator precedence in I think primary school. There is a defined order of operations. Those sorts of questions should clarify what they're going for by saying "do you know the standard order of operations" but they don't, because they're designed to provoke arguments in the comments.
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I'm sympathetic to the idea that anti-vax shite etc is a big but worthwhile price to pay for 'free speech'. The damage someone like Cummings could have done if Carrie could stand him had he had more powers available along those lines is terrifying.
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feedmegin posted:Ummmm I don't know about you but I was taught about operator precedence in I think primary school. There is a defined order of operations. There's some disagreement here: https://www.teachwire.net/news/why-its-time-for-maths-teachers-to-bin-bodmas quote:Why it’s time for maths teachers to bin BODMAS
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Red Oktober posted:I've started a new role at a company which didn't have any culture of working from home until COVID hit. Yeah our old policy is 'you can't work from home at all unless you have a really good reason'. Til, like, late last February when it was 'Go! Go take your hardware back home with you! Don't even bother asset tagging it at the office, just let us know when you get back there, also we'll buy you poo poo if you need it!' (Personally, 'poo poo' for me has so far been a headset (too smart to get a webcam over here, living the pants-only life), and a hard disc to replace the one in my STB that died when my wife yeeted it onto the floor oops)
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:There's some disagreement here: Because the order is <multiplications and divisions> then <additions and subtractions>, not literally what BODMAS says. That's a problem with teaching that acronym specifically not operator precedence (as, indeed, the article states).
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stev posted:I agree but there's a part of my brain that can't help but make slippery slope arguments. What happens when Johnson and chums decide that "socialism can work" is a dangerous lie and act accordingly? Much better to go after the platforms themselves, slap massive fines on the social media companies &c that allow people to spread their bullshit. (& re Keith: on the one hand, at least it's a loving policy - & a well-intentioned one at that - but on the other it's probably pretty telling that babby's first policy is straight from the authoritarian school of thought that gave us Blairite counter-terror legislation)
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I'm feeling a fair bit of guilt over my work from home situation, i essentially do 50% of an accounts job with a colleague and she's the kind who does work on a Sunday morning and a Friday night. Shes openly said to me that if we had to downsize she wouldn't want the job and would let me have it. We are quiet right now and my boss phoned this week to say you use the time to catchup any loose ends etc till we know more re the latest lockdown. On the one hand i adore not having to commute to work all week (still go in on Fridays) but on the other hand it feels like no-one cares if i just do the bare minimum which is kinda depressing in its own way
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Agreed that while combatting antivax ideas is important, the fact that coplord stamer can only solve problems by putting people in prison is loving stupid.
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feedmegin posted:Because the order is <multiplications and divisions> then <additions and subtractions>, not literally what BODMAS says. That's a problem with teaching that acronym specifically not operator precedence (as, indeed, the article states). Yes. This is the problem with rules drummed into people at primary school. Another example is 'i before e except after c' 'rule' except for the thousands of words when it isn't. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_words_not_following_the_I_before_E_except_after_C_rule
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OwlFancier posted:Agreed that while combatting antivax ideas is important, the fact that coplord stamer can only solve problems by putting people in prison is loving stupid. And, of course, citation loving needed on the "solves problems" part of this particular equation.
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Jedit posted:There is no slippery slope. Anyone who wants to say socialism is poo poo or fantastic is free to do so, because it is an opinion. What you should not be free to do is to deny proven facts without evidence of your own. "The WHO has declared Covid-19 a deadly pandemic" "The IEA has declared socialism is a danger to global financial systems". These two positions clearly do not carry equal significance. But I absolutely do not trust our government - who banned the teaching of materials critical of capitalism in schools - to make that distinction. blunt fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Jan 6, 2021 |
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I think the opposite is true. Prosecuting people for beliving something and/or talking about something they believe is insanely authoritarian. Making a vaccine mandatory for people who dont have a medical reason to not get it is a public health matter. I think prosecuting people for wrong-think is an incredibly dark and dangerous path to go down.
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Olpainless posted:He IS hugely poo poo but not for this, can't disagree that antivax should be considered a crime, because seriously, it's killed people We lost our measles free status because of these idiots, it's comparable to promoting terrorism in terms of social impact imo and should be treated the same way. Not 100% sure whether criminalisation is the best approach though. Education is probably more likely to have a lasting impact
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blunt posted:"The WHO has declared Covid-19 a deadly pandemic" This is a far more articulate version of what I meant, thank you.
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Mandatory vaccinations is a terrible idea. If you still don't want to get it you just would answer yes when they ask you have allergies. The anti-vax movement are going to pin literally any bad health phenomenon in the next few years on the vaccine. It's crucial that covid is beaten by people volunteering to vaccinate themselves.
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blunt posted:These two positions clearly do not carry equal significance. But I absolutely do not trust our government - who banned the teaching of materials critical of capitalism in schools - to make that distinction.
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Guavanaut posted:This is a problem that has been raised by the EFF, that BAME and LGBT people are more at risk of prosecution under hate speech laws than Toby Young is, because our government and society in general is more systemically biased against them, and because as individuals they usually have less resources to fight it, but does that mean that you just throw your hands up and allow people to incite any shite on youtube? What about legislating against the platforms that faciliate and make money off of mass distribution of miss-information/incitement
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