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Cojawfee posted:Didn't Krakauer accuse some lady journalist of Fixed that for ya.
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Cojawfee posted:Didn't Krakauer accuse some lady journalist of sleeping with people on the mountain and also not being serious because she had a fancy coffee maker? That was Sandy Pittman and AFAIK he didn't accuse her of sleeping with anyone, but he does describe her as treating the climb as a glorified media op with her as the star, including having sherpas lug all her heavy recording equipment and satellite phone up the mountain for her. This article goes into some more detail. https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/09/sandy-hill-pittman-mount-everest
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Comrade Koba posted:That was Sandy Pittman and AFAIK he didn't accuse her of sleeping with anyone, but he does describe her as treating the climb as a glorified media op with her as the star, including having sherpas lug all her heavy recording equipment and satellite phone up the mountain for her. From what I remember of Krakauer's book, he said the sherpas literally had to carry her up the mountain at one point. It's been a while since I've read it, but I also felt like he was a fairly impartial observer of what happened with her, it didn't seem like he ever singled her out.
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Smekerman posted:From what I remember of Krakauer's book, he said the sherpas literally had to carry her up the mountain at one point. It's been a while since I've read it, but I also felt like he was a fairly impartial observer of what happened with her, it didn't seem like he ever singled her out. Yes, and she's confirmed it herself. She claimed she didn't want him to do it, but went along with it because she didn't want to be disrespectful. It's a bit weird, because while Pittman was a wealthy celebrity socialite, she wasn't an unskilled climber. She'd done six of the seven top summits already and could probably have pulled Everest off without much trouble.
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Comrade Koba posted:IIRC Krakauer mentions this at one point in Into Thin Air. He doesn't name any names, but apparently there was a couple loving in a tent on the mountain at some point during the 1996 expedition. Can't remember if it was in base camp or higher up, but apparently the sherpas were loving furious. I read that same book and recall they called it "making sauce!", which did not, to me, convey anger.
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shadow puppet of a posted:I read that same book and recall they called it "making sauce!", which did not, to me, convey anger. I went back and checked, and while being furious about it wasn't an accurate description, some sherpas did seem to take issue. Into Thin Air posted:But despite the Sherpas’ laughter (to say nothing of their own notoriously libertine habits), they fundamentally disapproved of sex between unmarried couples on the divine flanks of Sagarmatha. Whenever the weather would turn nasty, one or another Sherpa was apt to point up at the clouds boiling heavenward and earnestly declare, “Somebody has been sauce-making. Make bad luck. Now storm is coming.” quote:There seemed to be a similarly lax attitude concerning fornication on the slopes of Everest: even though they paid lip service to the prohibition, more than a few Sherpas made exceptions for their own behavior—in 1996, a romance even blossomed between a Sherpa and an American woman associated with the IMAX expedition. It therefore seemed strange that the Sherpas would blame Ngawang’s illness on the extramarital encounters taking place in one of the Mountain Madness tents. But when I pointed out the inconsistency to Lopsang Jangbu Sherpa—Fischer’s twenty-three-year-old climbing sirdar—he insisted that the real problem was not that one of Fischer’s climbers had been “sauce-making” at Base Camp but rather that she continued to sleep with her paramour high on the mountain.
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Potato Salad posted:Ever tried dungeon roleplay? I cast Bigby's Grasping Hand
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/05/books/review/himalaya-a-human-history-ed-douglas.html book review of Everest: A Human History, the which looks interesting
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Comrade Koba posted:Yes, and she's confirmed it herself. She claimed she didn't want him to do it, but went along with it because she didn't want to be disrespectful. Having climbed six of the seven summits does not make you a skilled climber. All but Denali and Everest are just hikes of varying degrees of strenuousness, and even Denali doesn't have any technical climbing.
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Leperflesh posted:
You're describing a college bar happy hour
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gohuskies posted:Having climbed six of the seven summits does not make you a skilled climber. All but Denali and Everest are just hikes of varying degrees of strenuousness, and even Denali doesn't have any technical climbing. That's a very armchair-expert position to take No one said she was on Ueli's level, but if you've summited 6 of the highest peaks in the world, chances are you know your way around mountaineering gear.
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gohuskies posted:Having climbed six of the seven summits does not make you a skilled climber. All but Denali and Everest are just hikes of varying degrees of strenuousness, and even Denali doesn't have any technical climbing. Depends on your definition of skilled, I guess? I wouldn't call someone who managed to summit Denali and Puncak Jaya a completely unskilled climber, at any rate.
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Comrade Koba posted:Depends on your definition of skilled, I guess? I wouldn't call someone who managed to summit Denali and Puncak Jaya a completely unskilled climber, at any rate. I think it might be useful to think of being able to climb at an extremely high altitude as a separate skill from, let's say, getting over a tricky section of rock or scaling a steep rockface. It's all part of mountaineering on Everest, but one can be skilled enough to ascend the north face of the Eiger without being skilled at operating above 25,000 feet in elevation, at least theoretically. No one would say that someone who can do the former is not a skilled mountaineer, and being able to do that would undoubtedly be a massive advantage on Everest, but there's a whole other skillset that comes into play when operating at extremely high altitudes. My understanding from Krakauer was that Sandy Pittman did have some experience with actual mountaineering, just not at extreme altitude.
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Platystemon posted:Claim Mount Kosciuszko and you can
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ante posted:That's a very armchair-expert position to take I am certain that I personally am a more skilled mountaineer than 99% of the people who are guided up Aconcagua.
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gohuskies posted:I am certain that I personally am a more skilled mountaineer than 99% of the people who are guided up Aconcagua. So? lol Congrats, bud
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Also checking in to say I've camped in a tent more than once AND had to tie my own bootlaces.
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I looked at a tall hill once. I'm all set for Everest, right?
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Poor haifisch, thought of tall hills and died.
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Haifisch posted:I looked at a tall hill once. I'm all set for Everest, right? No you have to photoshop yourself into a picture of Lake Louise first
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Do you think anyone ever smoked weed on everest? Like they got high while they were really high???
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I want to climb everest but instead of oxygen tanks I would bring big tanks full of weed vape juice to get high
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Can we get more book recs in here? Love people doing the thing. Love the sky madness
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gohuskies posted:Having climbed six of the seven summits does not make you a skilled climber. All but Denali and Everest are just hikes of varying degrees of strenuousness, and even Denali doesn't have any technical climbing. Exactly. Climbing these peaks are not that impressive if each stage was at ground level. It would actually be trivially easy to climb Everest if it was, say, in Assassin's Creed.
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GAYIDS posted:I want to climb everest but instead of oxygen tanks I would bring big tanks full of weed vape juice to get high What would be the best/worst drugs to take in the deathzone? LSD?
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Doc Fission posted:Can we get more book recs in here? Love people doing the thing. Love the sky madness High Crimes: The Fate of Everest in an Age of Greed https://www.amazon.com/High-Crimes-Fate-Everest-Greed/dp/1401309844 Annapurna https://www.amazon.com/Annapurna-Maurice-Herzog/dp/1558215492 Buried in the Sky: The Extraordinary Story of the Sherpa Climbers on K2's Deadliest Day I really like this one because it mostly focused on Sherpas. https://www.amazon.com/Buried-Sky-Extraordinary-Climbers-Deadliest/dp/0393345416 this might be my favorite though Minus 148 Degrees: The First Winter Ascent of Mount McKinley https://www.amazon.com/Minus-148-Degrees-Winter-McKinley/dp/0898866871
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HugeGrossBurrito posted:Minus 148 Degrees Fahrenheit or Celsius?
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Empty Sandwich posted:Fahrenheit or Celsius? At that point does it matter?
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Empty Sandwich posted:Fahrenheit or Celsius? kelvin 
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Empty Sandwich posted:Fahrenheit or Celsius? F
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Outrail posted:What would be the best/worst drugs to take in the deathzone? Meth would lead to record summits and corpsicles on the way down on account of summiting in a wifebeater while listening to trapt on your phone's speaker
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Paladine_PSoT posted:Meth would lead to record summits and corpsicles on the way down on account of summiting in a wifebeater while listening to trapt on your phone's speaker Good enough for me. Plz donate to my kickstarter
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This thread's got me watching mountaineering youtubes. This one to me conveys the absolute terror of ice climbing and steep ski descents better than anything I've seen. These dudes seem a little out of their depth honestly. As someone who's done a tiny bit of off piste snowboarding some parts of this gave me stomach cramps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkigzUFr3ys
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Paladine_PSoT posted:Meth would lead to record summits and corpsicles on the way down on account of summiting in a wifebeater while listening to trapt on your phone's speaker I mean, didn't the old mountaineers do a ton of amphetamines while climbing?
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:I mean, didn't the old mountaineers do a ton of amphetamines while climbing? Interviewer: How did you become a knight? Hillary: So this one time I railed speed in nepal... funny story, so there's this mountain, biggest fuckin one in the world...
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gohuskies posted:Having climbed six of the seven summits does not make you a skilled climber. All but Denali and Everest are just hikes of varying degrees of strenuousness, and even Denali doesn't have any technical climbing. ante posted:That's a very armchair-expert position to take Not sure whether this is just a typo, but I just wanted to point out that "six of the seven summits" (highest mountain on each contintent, of which most are "easy") is nothing like "six of the highest peaks in the world", which is a much more insane challenge.
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Munin posted:I presume Antarctica would be one of the "tricky" ones. Not really, the actual mountain itself is a moderately challenging hike that anyone in decent shape can do, there's no technical challenge just "did you buy a coat warm enough to not freeze to death Y/N?". The hard part is having the money and connections to get to the rear end end of nowhere to begin with, if you can get to the foot of Mount Vinson getting to the top is no problem. Climbing it proves you're rich and connected, not that you're a good mountaineer. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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