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I figure (read: hope) it is just a coincidence rather than people not allowing for higher values in their statistics. Given how long this has been going, there was bound to be at least one number at some point which is also a computer-thing. Then again, considering how things have been going, I would not be surprised if they actually had not anticipated how high the numbers will go up. Bonus points if after a few weeks of suspiciously no changes the number just suddenly became negative/straight back to zero 
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freebooter posted:Cool but this is actually a country that has things under control and I'm a bit sick of hearing about how it must actually be the weather/geographic isolation/population density/the wrong kind of testing/conspiracy theory du jour/etc Something very similar actually happened in the UK https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54422505 and while obviously there's a massive gulf in public health competence that doesn't mean dumb software errors can't slip through. BrigadierSensible posted:Nearly 6,000 new cases in Japan . This doesn't make sense, low case numbers are when you should restrict the borders to keep it out, but when everyone already has it you may as well stay open because imported cases won't make much difference. Or are you in Aus/NZ?
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Greader posted:Then again, considering how things have been going, I would not be surprised if they actually had not anticipated how high the numbers will go up. Bonus points if after a few weeks of suspiciously no changes the number just suddenly became negative/straight back to zero Strongly encourage you to read about "how things have been going" in the state of Victoria in the year 2020 edit - like, this is not like a place elsewhere in the world where people are just like "ahhh this COVID poo poo sucks man." For most of 2020 this was the one red zone in an otherwise mostly green zone of Aus/NZ - in a place where people can go about their daily lives without even thinking about it - and people in Victoria went through one of the world's longest lockdowns waking up every morning anticipating what The Number would be, wondering when it would be that we could join the rest of them. freebooter fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Jan 7, 2021 |
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freebooter posted:Cool but this is actually a country that has things under control and I'm a bit sick of hearing about how it must actually be the weather/geographic isolation/population density/the wrong kind of testing/conspiracy theory du jour/etc He'd pointed out the strange number and had the mystery solved by the time you posted this. "That's a very particular number, do we know that they didn't hit a row limit?" and then immediately finding evidence that no, they hadn't, isn't tinfoil. It's normal healthy skepticism
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freebooter posted:Cool but this is actually a country that has things under control and I'm a bit sick of hearing about how it must actually be the weather/geographic isolation/population density/the wrong kind of testing/conspiracy theory du jour/etc Lmao
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freebooter posted:Cool but this is actually a country that has things under control and I'm a bit sick of hearing about how it must actually be the weather/geographic isolation/population density/the wrong kind of testing/conspiracy theory du jour/etc Show us on the Didgeridoo where the bad man hurt you
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If the new strain is still very limited in America, it does make me wonder what sort of numbers they will hit when the new infectious strain becomes the main one. 10k deaths a day ?
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Baconroll posted:If the new strain is still very limited in America, it does make me wonder what sort of numbers they will hit when the new infectious strain becomes the main one. 10k deaths a day ? It's more contagious, not more deadly, and Americans already have doubled down on breathing into each other's lungs are every opportunity according to current numbers I doubt the new strain would have an appreciable effect on deaths
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smoobles posted:It's more contagious, not more deadly, and Americans already have doubled down on breathing into each other's lungs are every opportunity according to current numbers If it's as deadly per case, then it's more deadly due to being more contagious. The only way it could be as deadly, but more contagious, is if it were less deadly per case. More cases means more deaths, atleast until we're told anything else. And more beds taken up, meaning more full hospitals, leading to even more deaths indirectly. And more cases also means more opportunities for it to mutate and evolve into new and even worse strains. The US 'only' has 22 mill confirmed cases, there's plenty more people to spread to, even if you assume only 1 in 10 cases get tested and confirmed.
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Xaintrailles posted:
I'm in Melbourne, Aus. And to add to what Freebooter said above me: We in Victoria endured multiple months of harsh lockdown. Lockdown where you were only allowed outside for an hour a day, and even then only to do essential things, and if you went shopping you had to go alone. During these months the Premier was on TV every morning updating the numbers, and everyone was stressing about whether it was going up or down. And it was when it was at it's highest that we were shut off from the rest of the country, not wanting/allowing it to spread. Even before then. On the international stuff, very few people were allowed in, and even fewer out. When I returned from South Korea in May, I was very lucky to get a seat on the flight, and once back was escorted by uniformed army men to a hotel room in which I was not allowed out of for 2 weeks. Also, even now you have to apply for an exemption if you wish to leave the country on one of the few flights that exist. So yes, we in Australia are hugely conscious of new case numbers, and take them very seriously. Hence my stupid posts about rising Japanese numbers. Also, whist the lockdowns we had were harsh, uncomfortable, no fun for anyone involved, and nastily traumatic for some, they did work and we went from having 700+ a day down to more than 2 months of 0 new cases and 0 deaths. Another reason nobody here wants to see numbers go up. Nobody wants to go back to lockdowns. My whinges about hoping the Japanese border opens are stupid, petty and selfish, so I do apologize for that. But they are also real because I have been stuck in my parents spare bedroom since May, and I really want to get out and back to life. Like many others who have it much worse than me.
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Lol I’m in LA and I know of at least two gyms that haven’t closed and aren’t doing any social distancing They aren’t doing jack poo poo for cleaning either. They are also busier then ever. It’s such a joke. Also a big lol at the LA county travel quarantine. “Please stay at home” “We won’t be checking or anything but we kindly ask people who are already breaking the “rules” to follow them this time!
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This was a big reason why the Metro Melbourne quarantines, and state border closures worked. Police were hardcore
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smoobles posted:It's more contagious, not more deadly, and Americans already have doubled down on breathing into each other's lungs are every opportunity according to current numbers It's hard to appreciate just how much worse more contagious is than more deadly - but! Here's an example  That's ~9 times as many deaths for 50% more contagious vs 50% more deadly. Bear in mind that B117 is more like 70% more contagious, and the larger the number of infected, the worse the more contagious scenario is. The doubling interval is down to a week in some places with B117. Picture that daily 250K going to 500K to 1M to 2M in a month and then consider the kind of deaths that would play out of that. Blitter fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jan 7, 2021 |
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It’s apparently spreading here in FL
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s apparently spreading here in FL People in CA call FL the USA circa 2019.
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PIZZA.BAT posted:He'd pointed out the strange number and had the mystery solved by the time you posted this. "That's a very particular number, do we know that they didn't hit a row limit?" and then immediately finding evidence that no, they hadn't, isn't tinfoil. It's normal healthy skepticism loving up a testing regime because you've hosed up the Excel spreadsheet is something that happens in a failed state like Britain where 1 in every 50 people had COVID over Christmas and test/trace/isolate systems are completely overwhelmed, not a jurisdiction that actually has its poo poo together
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freebooter posted:loving up a testing regime because you've hosed up the Excel spreadsheet is something that happens in a failed state like Britain where 1 in every 50 people had COVID over Christmas and test/trace/isolate systems are completely overwhelmed, not a jurisdiction that actually has its poo poo together We get it, you've conquered Covid, you really don't need to rub it in the rest of the world's face.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/latimes/status/1347336468621127680 The LA City testing program has been knowingly used a taste that results in significant false negatives for months, even after LA county stopped used them because of inaccuracy. This is the test being used at 10 different sites, including at Dodgers Stadium. It basically can't find asymptomatic carriers, but it is easy and cheap to administer. Edit:AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA quote:The company holds a $42-million contract to perform testing in U.S. military treatment facilities and The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jan 8, 2021 |
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freebooter posted:loving up a testing regime because you've hosed up the Excel spreadsheet is something that happens in a failed state like Britain where 1 in every 50 people had COVID over Christmas and test/trace/isolate systems are completely overwhelmed, not a jurisdiction that actually has its poo poo together It's not fair to say the UK test, trace and isolate system is overwhelmed - we never had one. Tracing was deliberately designed to be useless and is operated as a graft, and the isolate part is a cardboard cutout. But they are succesfully getting in touch with hundreds of thousands of people to tell them that their spouses or children have COVID, in case they forgot to mention it themselves. On an unrelated plus side, it's January and no flu season yet! Lockdown works.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/latimes/status/1347336468621127680 This company is being used all over the place in the Bay Area. I'm a school district nurse and they're the main testing company for most Bay Area county health department testing sites and the company contracted to do testing for staff working in schools. This is a big deal  .
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Brisbane, Australia has one (1) case of the new UK strain, in a hotel quarantine worker who got infected from an international arrival during the course of their work. This is our only locally-transmitted case of COVID and is our first local infection in the state of Queensland in over 100 days. This person got it on Saturday (2nd) when at work that day and got a positive confirmation yesterday (7th) after getting tested the day prior when they first got symptoms (6th). As a result, we're now entering a snap 3-day lockdown from 6pm today (8th, Friday) through to 6pm Monday. This is an attempt to limit the subsequent spread of any cases that haven't come to light where the hotel worker has subsequently gone on to infect others. If we didn't have this, then those people could be infecting others all weekend, and it could turn from 3 or 4 clusters to 15-20. The order is as follows: quote:From 6pm tonight until 6pm Monday, people in the local government areas of Brisbane, Moreton Bay, Ipswich, Redlands and Logan will be required to stay at home except: It's screwed my weekend plans, but I'll take this sort of hard and fast approach when necessary any day of the week, because for months it's meant I've been able to go to packed bars, sporting events and gigs without worry. edit to add: As a result of this, almost every other state has shut their borders to people from Brisbane, with some shutting out the entire state. Additionally, it's prompted a review of travel policies at the national level. We've cut the quantity of overseas arrivals by half until at least mid-February. All inbound travellers must present a negative test prior to departure. International aircrew must be tested on every arrival. Masks are now mandatory on all domestic flights. Additionally, people from the UK must receive rapid testing immediately prior to departure. All hotel workers (e.g. cleaners) and people in the transport chain (e.g. bus drivers to quarantine hotels) now must undergo daily saliva testing. Nam Taf fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jan 8, 2021 |
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Australia, for all our successes wrt COVID, is also a capitalist society. As such, we don't give half a gently caress about the lives and/or wellbeing of the poorly pain, often immigrant workers who do do the cooking, cleaning, bus driving and security at these places. What exacerbates the problem, (and was the big factor in Victoria's spike in deaths at nursing homes), is that a lot of these people are casual workers, and don't get enough hours to live off from one worksite, so have to work 2-3 or more places. Increasing the spread. But giving these people enough hours to live on, and treating them with espect might cut into some of the owners of the places they work profit. So y'know, what are you going to do.
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Delta-Wye posted:Is it just me or is it incredible that Australia hasn't figured out that quarantining the people who work with the quarantined people is way better & cheaper than rolling closures? They should be subject to very frequent testing (daily saliva tests are being introduced which makes absolute sense) but I just don't see how practically you ask someone to essentially live in an isolated existence for the duration of them working with hotel quarantine. The process already generally tries to remove vectors of infection, e.g. when delivering meals they leave it outside the room, knock, and then instantly get out of the way so no one is face-to-face.
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Nam Taf posted:How do you ask entire legions of staff who work for private hotel chains to give up their lives for well over a year? You offer them 10k a month with free board and food. I'd take that offer. And it would still be vastly cheaper than the broader costs of Victoria's four-month lockdown. I still believe the idea of doing quarantine in privately owned hotels was conceived in part as a bailout for the travel industry, thereby placing business interests alongside national security, and they've just never changed that even though it's repeatedly proved to be a bad idea. When we were evacuating people from Wuhan in February we didn't stick them on Swanston Street, we put them on Christmas Island or that camp near Darwin. Obviously we're way over capacity for that now but the idea of putting our quarantine facilities in the very heart of our most densely populated cities is dumb. Also, not being able to get fresh air and exercise has been a major complaint, and a purpose-built facility in a remote area could put people in ground floor units with their own backyards. I mean, gently caress, there's probably fifty or more mothballed FIFO housing sites around the country that would match that description.
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Crackbone posted:We get it, you've conquered Covid, you really don't need to rub it in the rest of the world's face. I really really feel like it's important that they do, actually. Every country that completely flubbed their coronavirus response should undergo massive government reform to confront whatever problems let to that flubbing, and being constantly reminded of how good we *could* have had it is probably the only hope of that reform ever coming
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QuarkJets posted:I really really feel like it's important that they do, actually. Every country that completely flubbed their coronavirus response should undergo massive government reform to confront whatever problems let to that flubbing, and being constantly reminded of how good we *could* have had it is probably the only hope of that reform ever coming I agree completely. So many people are using the "well at least we're not as bad as [X]" or "[X] closed their schools and it didn't really help that much so we shouldn't bother" that we need regular reminders that lockdowns work, when communicated well and backed up by financial support and law enforcement. I'm really looking forward to Australia's economic figures over the next two years because I think they'll show the hit to the public debt is much less damaging than some people have been predicting and their 2021 GDP growth should blow everyone else out of the water.
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I had cold symptoms Sunday, tested positive Monday and isolating right now. Male, 46, heavy smoker and not fit at loving all. Not that fat though. Fever is gone since a day or two and now it's mostly runny nose. This might age badly but I totally get where the chuds get "It's just a flu" from. The randomness of this thing bugs me. But I'm doing my part at least.
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InAndOutBrennan posted:I had cold symptoms Sunday, tested positive Monday and isolating right now. Male, 46, heavy smoker and not fit at loving all. Not that fat though. Fever is gone since a day or two and now it's mostly runny nose. Another saved vaccine dose that can go to someone else now. Thank you for your service 
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InAndOutBrennan posted:I had cold symptoms Sunday, tested positive Monday and isolating right now. Male, 46, heavy smoker and not fit at loving all. Not that fat though. Fever is gone since a day or two and now it's mostly runny nose. If possible, invest in a blood oxygen meter, they cost 30 - 40 Euro Dollars to be on top of possible happy hypoxemia.
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ephex posted:If possible, invest in a blood oxygen meter, they cost 30 - 40 Euro Dollars to be on top of possible happy hypoxemia. Probably should but breathing feels fine and I've done some work and I don't feel much more stupid than usual. But as soon as I'm allowed to go out I will get one for next time/old age.
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freebooter posted:I still believe the idea of doing quarantine in privately owned hotels was conceived in part as a bailout for the travel industry, thereby placing business interests alongside national security, and they've just never changed that even though it's repeatedly proved to be a bad idea. When we were evacuating people from Wuhan in February we didn't stick them on Swanston Street, we put them on Christmas Island or that camp near Darwin. Obviously we're way over capacity for that now but the idea of putting our quarantine facilities in the very heart of our most densely populated cities is dumb. Also, not being able to get fresh air and exercise has been a major complaint, and a purpose-built facility in a remote area could put people in ground floor units with their own backyards. I mean, gently caress, there's probably fifty or more mothballed FIFO housing sites around the country that would match that description. I think it was part a bailout, and part the fact that they had to stand something up with very short notice and this was the path of least resistance there. I agree with you that keeping it in a population centres is stupid, and whilst a purpose-built facility with outdoor areas would make sense, I can see the sunk cost fallacy where the govt assumed the chance for building one had already passed, and kept convincing themselves of this as it dragged on. Regarding your example of FIFO housing sites don't really keep person A separate from person B as soon as you let them outside. You could maybe adapt them, maybe, but my experience visiting FIFO housing sites don't really lend themselves to that. But besides all of that, how do you get people there from locations where intercontinental aircraft can land? It's not an easy nut to crack, and I've spent a fair bit of time wondering how you'd best tackle this. Part of me thinks somewhere out of Cairns mightbe the way to go. It can take reasonable-sized jet aircraft, so you could (at fairly high expense) shuttle people there from the major airports. It has enough population to support an endeavour, and also relatively easy access to enough land nearby? I don't think somewhere like the Alice or another very regional location would work from a logistical point of view. QuarkJets posted:I really really feel like it's important that they do, actually. greazeball posted:I'm really looking forward to Australia's economic figures over the next two years because I think they'll show the hit to the public debt is much less damaging than some people have been predicting and their 2021 GDP growth should blow everyone else out of the water. As for GDP, we hit recession for a quarter for the first time in like 2 decades, but the next quarter we were back out of it. We dropped 7% in the March-June quarter, but jumped 3.3% in the following July-September quarter. I have no doubt that there'll be unsteady growth and possibly more recession if poo poo gets out of hand again, but to think it's been economic slaughter is just patently wrong. I mean, for months now I've been going to relatively packed bars and to music gigs. We've had festival-sized gigs in some locations for months.
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greazeball posted:I agree completely. So many people are using the "well at least we're not as bad as [X]" or "[X] closed their schools and it didn't really help that much so we shouldn't bother" that we need regular reminders that lockdowns work, when communicated well and backed up by financial support and law enforcement. I'm really looking forward to Australia's economic figures over the next two years because I think they'll show the hit to the public debt is much less damaging than some people have been predicting and their 2021 GDP growth should blow everyone else out of the water. Yeah, like, I'm definitely not trying to rub anything in anyone's face but... all your governments hosed up. And if the shoe was on the other foot I'd be rightly furious at my own government. And it's bizarre to me that so many people will instinctively start making excuses for their governments and try to explain away Australia's (or New Zealand's, or Taiwan's, or Vietnam's) success. What kicked off this argument wasn't that, it was someone looking at a spreadsheet and drawing a conclusion that might very well make sense in a lot of places in the world, but shorn of the context of what the pandemic is like here i.e. we basically do not have a COVID problem and if we're about to have a COVID problem it sure as hell isn't going to come from a clerical error. There's a sort of blindness in America and Europe to the fact that actually, yeah, you can beat the virus and you don't have to be dictatorial weld-the-doors-closed China to do it. And also, on a more agressive note, Brisbane just went down into emergency lockdown because the new hypercontagious English strain breached hotel quarantine. We managed to eliminate the virus but we're constantly besieged by the failures of other countries. Get your loving poo poo together.
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