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ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
What mainstream news sites do you guys recommend reading? I'm really trying to get off twitter as reading leftist twitter leaves me both angry and astounded at the stupidity of it all.

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THS
Sep 15, 2017

ToxicAcne posted:

What mainstream news sites do you guys recommend reading? I'm really trying to get off twitter as reading leftist twitter leaves me both angry and astounded at the stupidity of it all.

cspam

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

ToxicAcne posted:

What mainstream news sites do you guys recommend reading? I'm really trying to get off twitter as reading leftist twitter leaves me both angry and astounded at the stupidity of it all.

why do you want to follow the news?

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

indigi posted:

actually the objective conditions say this is bad and counterproductive

i just hope the bourgeois state can hold it together long enough to give me my $2000 before the whole thing collapses

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014

jarofpiss posted:

why do you want to follow the news?

Just general awareness of what's going on in the world. CSPAM is better than twitter but the nihilism gets to me sometimes. This thread is one of the better ones because it's mostly theory and people here are pretty helpful.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

ToxicAcne posted:

What mainstream news sites do you guys recommend reading? I'm really trying to get off twitter as reading leftist twitter leaves me both angry and astounded at the stupidity of it all.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
wow you love supply chains huh

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Contention is a good economic blog from a left perspective.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

indigi posted:

wow you love supply chains huh

A little over a year ago I was unemployed and enthusiastically trying to imagine ways for industrial action to succeed, and the just-in-time supply chain seemed like an obvious weak point. Then the pandemic came and I kept following this news because it turns out it's relevant to basically everything.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

ToxicAcne posted:

What mainstream news sites do you guys recommend reading? I'm really trying to get off twitter as reading leftist twitter leaves me both angry and astounded at the stupidity of it all.

twitter is really good if you use it correctly. i use the lists feature to categorize stuff from people who are actually informative and useful

FT, bloomberg

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/ is the best news aggregator ive found

https://fx.substack.com/?no_cover=true is a good geopolitics blog from a leftist guy

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com for economic updates from a marxist perspective

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

ToxicAcne posted:

What mainstream news sites do you guys recommend reading? I'm really trying to get off twitter as reading leftist twitter leaves me both angry and astounded at the stupidity of it all.

https://www.wsws.org/

Seconding the recommendation for contention
https://contention.substack.com/

https://www.peoplesworld.org/

https://www.telesurenglish.net/

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
Why is the American petit bourgeoisie so reactionary? They seem to be Trump's most die hard supporters. I've read that the Soviets and PRC sealed their support by winning over the petit bourgeois.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Because in the seat of global empire they generally benefit handsomely from the current global order and adhere firmly to the ideology of power

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

mawarannahr posted:

A little over a year ago I was unemployed and enthusiastically trying to imagine ways for industrial action to succeed, and the just-in-time supply chain seemed like an obvious weak point. Then the pandemic came and I kept following this news because it turns out it's relevant to basically everything.

all you have to do is follow the freight and the cargo and the rest falls into place

you will see people caterwaul every time someone organizes a general strike at a port

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

Victory Position posted:

all you have to do is follow the freight and the cargo and the rest falls into place

you will see people caterwaul every time someone organizes a general strike at a port

I've got a pet theory that one of the reasons just-in--time was adopted so quickly was not just to save money in storing them, but limiting the power of workforces to seize the factory or whatever and operate on their own. One of the few things that would shut down a worker-managed organization would be other corporations refusing to trade with them, and now they run out even sooner.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Ardent Communist posted:

I've got a pet theory that one of the reasons just-in--time was adopted so quickly was not just to save money in storing them, but limiting the power of workforces to seize the factory or whatever and operate on their own. One of the few things that would shut down a worker-managed organization would be other corporations refusing to trade with them, and now they run out even sooner.

Doesn't this create more vulnerabilities than it solves? If factories/stores don't have a healthy store of goods to process/sell, than any strike holds up every single link in further down the supply chain.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

just-in-time was created because it increases profits. it isn't some convoluted plan to stop strikes, imo

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

ToxicAcne posted:

Why is the American petit bourgeoisie so reactionary? They seem to be Trump's most die hard supporters. I've read that the Soviets and PRC sealed their support by winning over the petit bourgeois.

I haven’t done a ton of reading on this but at least in the Soviet case the petit bourgs were firmly on the side of the liberals at first and then the spread amongst the capitalists of various stripes

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

THS posted:

Contention is a good economic blog from a left perspective.
i agree...

megalodong
Mar 11, 2008


please don't recommend the weird sex website lol

https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/mediaCategory/sex-witch-hunt

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/23/meto-n23.html

THS
Sep 15, 2017


also a whole slew of articles defending the honor of woody allen

david walsh has been fighting this crusade for like 10 years, it's incredible

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

what the gently caress lol

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

wsws has a lot of good reporting on austerity by the so-called left parties around the world if you can ignore the sex pest apologia

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Yossarian-22 posted:

wsws has a lot of good reporting on austerity by the so-called left parties around the world if you can ignore the sex pest apologia

yeah I was gonna say I lol at the sex pestery as much as the next guy but they do have some decent reporting elsewhere

omelette, eggs, etc

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020

Ferrinus posted:

i'm always skeptical of this because like agh, if we'd only done a sectarian split sooner..!

I mean, there's a sense in which both can be true, that an earlier break would have afforded more opportunity to build the sort of "general staff of the revolution" that they were crippled by lacking, and that struggle within the party and movement short of a break would have left them less dangerously isolated.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.


father coughlin was a mmt guy...

Syncopation
Feb 21, 2020

exmarx posted:



father coughlin was a mmt guy...

lmao

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
please do not read the WSWS, it is the publication of the SEP which is probably the most out of touch and sectarian of all the tiny sects on the left as evidenced by their articles on roman polanski but also by if you go to any action or meeting or event with an open discussion you will inevitably find one of their members present haranguing everyone else present for being opportunist reactionary traitors to the revolution

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

exmarx posted:



father coughlin was a mmt guy...

lmao send this to matt bruenig

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

apropos to nothing posted:

please do not read the WSWS, it is the publication of the SEP which is probably the most out of touch and sectarian of all the tiny sects on the left as evidenced by their articles on roman polanski but also by if you go to any action or meeting or event with an open discussion you will inevitably find one of their members present haranguing everyone else present for being opportunist reactionary traitors to the revolution

Yeah they're basically a cult. You have to know how to read them properly

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

apropos to nothing posted:

please do not read the WSWS, it is the publication of the SEP which is probably the most out of touch and sectarian of all the tiny sects on the left as evidenced by their articles on roman polanski but also by if you go to any action or meeting or event with an open discussion you will inevitably find one of their members present haranguing everyone else present for being opportunist reactionary traitors to the revolution

I respect the heck out of you apropos of nothing so I will take this under advisement

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


I mean if you stan loving Polanski and loving Weinstein cos 'these women were inconsistent sometimes speaking on the stand about horrific sexual abuse hes clearly not guilty' you should not be read on loving principle

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Those articles make me sick lmfao. 'polanski attacked by banker-president' you're defending a loving convicted pedophile multimillionaire who dodged punishment with his clout. 'weinstein got more than the nazis' yeah nazis should have been punished more not weinstein less you loving moron

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


"Weinstein has every right to confront his accusers—and yes, attempt to discredit them." gently caress you

im glad world socialists are doing their duty to protect and help these powerful men against women :rolleyes:, finally some useful socialist action am i right bros?


gently caress those loving patriarchal assholes into the sun

dex_sda fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Jan 8, 2021

THS
Sep 15, 2017

gradenko_2000 posted:

I respect the heck out of you apropos of nothing so I will take this under advisement

i can back up that their actual members harass the gently caress out of other groups, i’ve seen it in person. they are the craziest of crazy, total nutjobs

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


THS posted:

just-in-time was created because it increases profits. it isn't some convoluted plan to stop strikes, imo

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

on the other hand, isn't it so tied up with labor arbitrage that it allows many companies to employ fewer workers with reduced organizing ability?

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

apropos to nothing posted:

please do not read the WSWS, it is the publication of the SEP which is probably the most out of touch and sectarian of all the tiny sects on the left as evidenced by their articles on roman polanski but also by if you go to any action or meeting or event with an open discussion you will inevitably find one of their members present haranguing everyone else present for being opportunist reactionary traitors to the revolution

that just describes trots tho :D

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

THS posted:

just-in-time was created because it increases profits. it isn't some convoluted plan to stop strikes, imo

created gives the wrong impression. like it popped out in its entirety. its like natural selection, enormous selection pressure.

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DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Doesn't this create more vulnerabilities than it solves? If factories/stores don't have a healthy store of goods to process/sell, than any strike holds up every single link in further down the supply chain.

mawarannahr posted:

on the other hand, isn't it so tied up with labor arbitrage that it allows many companies to employ fewer workers with reduced organizing ability?

indeed capitalism is a land of contradiction

fwiw, David Harvey explicitly mentions just-in-time manufacturing in discussing chapter 14 (division of labour and manufacture) of Capital vol 1.

In Capital this is the chapter right after the idea of "collective labour" and so there are implications in terms of how it's the capitalist(s) that organize and control that collective labour. Inside their own factory, they have central planning, but outside, they're subject to the demands of market logic, which is sorta relevant to what Homeless Friend was referring to, and relates to modern arguments about the potential for central planning given modern technology relative to what the Soviets were using in, like, 1930 or whatever (c.f. that People's Republic of Walmart book).

In terms of just-in-time, for the capitalist, there are disadvantages (the potential for strikes) but also advantages (aside from the efficiencies in squeezingout the surplus value: workers are more and more unskilled, so they're more and more alienated from their labour — psychologically in terms of doing repetitive bullshit, and also in terms of the power relation of having to sell that labour power in a marketplace).

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqEKLuPCgZ0&t=4077s


Book:

quote:


This plainly constitutes a barrier to the progress of capitalist production, and as I have already argued, capital doesn’t like barriers and perpetually seeks to overcome them. The difficulty in this case is that

every partial process undergone by the product must be capable of being done by hand, and of forming a separate handicraft. It is precisely because the skill of the craftsman thus continues to be the foundation of the production process that every worker becomes exclusively assigned to a partial function and that his labour-power becomes transformed into the life-long organ of this partial function.

The result is that workers, instead of having the freedom to move from one activity to another, are increasingly locked into a particular skill, a particular handicraft, the use of a particular set of specialized tools. “A worker who performs the same simple operation for the whole of his life converts his body into the automatic, one-sided implement of that operation” (458). Is the worker in control of the tool or is the tool in control of the worker? Marx suggests that the social imprisonment of workers in a particular specialization within the division of labor puts them in a position of being so connected to their specialized tools that they lose their freedom. This has not always been so.

[...]

Marx points out that by not losing any time, you gain in productivity. By rationalizing the way in which space is organized, you can save on movement costs. So the whole space-time structure becomes an organizational question for how capitalism works. This was the big innovation that the Japanese introduced into the labor process in the 1970s with just-in-time production, the tight scheduling of flows of goods in space and time such that you had almost no inventory anywhere in the system. This was the innovation which gave the Japanese car industry its competitive advantage over all others during the 1980s, and the Japanese raked in the ephemeral form of relative surplus-value until everyone else caught up. The downside of this system is that it is vulnerable to disruption. If one link in the spatiotemporal chain is stopped by, for example, a strike, then everything has to close down because there is no inventory.

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