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Communist Thoughts posted:The empire has now been invoked, my people are very normal you see The empire doesn't live here anymore. 
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Just Another Lurker posted:The empire doesn't live here anymore. Not since Thatcher was thrown down into the Death Star Core.
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Jan 9, 2021 06:02
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my entire university got a one week extension on all our assignments due to the ravage of plague! i'm well chuffed. i'm doing really well in my classes, i think? submitted my first project this week, we'll see. i'm kind of worried about a lot of the other students because they are not engaging at all - particularly those who in the first semester had to do their schooling in what was more or less an incredibly expensive leper colony. everyone is miserable because they're missing the uni experience but it don't bother me. i think i'm finding the isolation a little challenging, i've had to take a break on some of my habits, sleep hygiene is out the window. normally when it snows i'm estatic - i love walking in it, but this year i'm paranoid i'll slip or something and not be able to get medical care/get plague when i do. ugh lol. i am unsure what more needs said about the political situation tbh. things have proceeded more or less as i expected, which is a shame. i will admit, i did not predict we would try to judgement of solomon our vaccine and give everyone half of what they need for some reason - there are still depths to which i did not realize we could sink, which is almost comforting in a strange way. at least this time there was no loving clapping 
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Jan 9, 2021 06:52
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therattle posted:It can be tongue in cheek but not a great tweet nonetheless. Like when one makes a joke then decides/realises that it’s not that funny. Her brain is broken https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1192409281636777986?s=19
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Jan 9, 2021 07:20
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I dont think they want you to post more at all actually. I just want to be a good person you know, I try everyday and i fail but i keep trying
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Jan 9, 2021 07:36
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therattle posted:It’s not a great tweet but it’s pretty tongue in cheek, no? I think you’re being a bit harsh on her. I was commenting on Trump getting banned.
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Jan 9, 2021 07:41
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So yesterday, the day the UK suffered its worst ever number of covid deaths, I got hassled by an anti-masker in the supermarket for having put a mask on my five-year-old son. What the gently caress is wrong with these people?
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Jan 9, 2021 09:01
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Jose posted:Her brain is broken They were also in with that "integrity initiative" stuff, I don't think it's too unlikely that they are now involved in whatever that effort became after it got rumbled (and of course got almost entirely ignored by the press) She presents generally valid information but is always very careful to paint the villains of the piece as individuals or small sinister groups ingeniously managing to pull off extensive crimes rather than an utterly rotten system being lazily exploited by those who already control the bulk of political, social and economic capital - and fbpe's just eat it up because they get to feel smug and then do gently caress all about it
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Jan 9, 2021 09:25
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If I were a billionaire I'd laugh my loving head off every time I saw the poor people in one bit of geography blame the poor people in another bit of geography for their problems. Seriously it would be great and I'd definitely be eager for the poors to divide themselves up so I could exploit them more easily lol Solidarity or death
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Jan 9, 2021 09:35
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Jose posted:Her brain is broken I knew Jose was a man of valour who would understand she's a loon.
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Jan 9, 2021 09:53
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Seriously though I've given it some thought with my big brain and I've realised that the people to blame are the Europeans\Jews\English\Muslims\Londoners\Bosnians\Tutsis, I checked in with history and this has actually always worked out really well and is a v good way to approach things with a lot of success. I am very clever and you should listen to me
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Jan 9, 2021 09:53
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kyojin posted:Seriously though I've given it some thought with my big brain and I've realised that the people to blame are the Europeans\Jews\English\Muslims\Londoners\Bosnians\Tutsis, I checked in with history and this has actually always worked out really well and is a v good way to approach things with a lot of success. I am very clever and you should listen to me So, is it time to crack each others' heads open and feast on the goo inside?
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Jan 9, 2021 10:05
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Catching up on the thread this morning made me sad.  Ash, you're ok, the accusation of being boring was mean imo and you had a good funny comeback about crisp posting. But I'm glad you've dropped your usual gimmicks because they aren't funny and if being liked is actually a goal of yours they are not the way to go. I don't think it's my job as an English person to tell you how to be a Scot, but on the other hand nation states are bullshit and I think people would like it if you came at things from that premise rather than using them as the basis for all your political thought. International solidarity of the working class and all that. Anyway what I actually came here to post is a reminder that  self-nominations for the Solidarity Fund committee close at midnight on Sunday. We already have more than enough people standing to fill all five seats, but anyone else is still welcome to throw their hat in the ring before voting opens.
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Jan 9, 2021 10:05
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kyojin posted:Seriously though I've given it some thought with my big brain and I've realised that the people to blame are the Europeans\Jews\English\Muslims\Londoners\Bosnians\Tutsis, I checked in with history and this has actually always worked out really well and is a v good way to approach things with a lot of success. I am very clever and you should listen to me It's pretty gross to lump in the English with persecuted minorities. This thread has a big old blind spot around defensive English posters. No war but class war and all, but the extent to which the history of the UK is one of economic (and other) exploitation by the south of England is startling. It doesn't come up as much in the UKMT, but I have a really hard time in particular with ignorance about the things done under Labour and the Tories during the Troubles. I've had to mellow since moving to GB, but it still makes me angry. ETA- what I'm getting at is that having a go at individual English people for the crimes of their people is lovely, but getting defensive rather than acknowledging the history and the present is a bit "well I/my family weren't Tans". That's not the point. Filboid Studge fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Jan 9, 2021 10:05
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Filboid Studge posted:It's pretty gross to lump in the English with persecuted minorities. This thread has a big old blind spot around defensive English posters. Yeah I think there are a lot of people in this thread who don't realise just how deeply indoctrinated they are by English imperialism, and think they're good just because they don't like Churchill and know the words to come out ye black and tans
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Jan 9, 2021 10:10
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Filboid Studge posted:It's pretty gross to lump in the English with persecuted minorities. This thread has a big old blind spot around defensive English posters. Apparently you ignored "Europeans" in my intentionally ridiculous list so you could go off on one about "the English actually uniquely are a homogenous group of baddies, all of them" Grouping people together under completely imaginary labels like nationality, skin colour, religion, whatever the gently caress, is always really stupid and contrary to any real and meaningful progress toward a better world every single time with no exceptions. So stop doing it and instead find solidarity, because I assure you Rupert Murdoch et al do not give a minuscule gently caress about it and are laughing at you The people of tower Hamlets have not exploited you I loving promise. The fact that the people who have exploited you, and them, happen to live nearby is an irrelevance 15k people living on the street in London, finally I have found my true enemies here in southern England kyojin fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Jan 9, 2021 10:23
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Yeah I think there are a lot of people in this thread who don't realise just how deeply indoctrinated they are by English imperialism, and think they're good just because they don't like Churchill and know the words to come out ye black and tans To be clear I think English Imperialism is a tool that has been used against the english working class as well as against other nations, but I think English people need to acknowledge how much it has warped their world view and recognise why Englishness is viewed so negatively by others. Simply saying that others need to focus on internationalist solidarity and ignore the negative impacts of England stinks of failing to remove the plank from ones own eye before removing the splinter from your brother's.
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Jan 9, 2021 10:48
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Friday night in the UKMT is like friday night in a provincial market town centre. Let's just take the traffic cone off the statue, sweep up the broken bottles try get stench of puked up doner meat out of the air.
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Jan 9, 2021 10:56
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a pipe smoking dog posted:ignore the negative impacts of England Is it really the negative impacts of 'England' though, or is it the negative impacts of a small group of million/billion/trillionaires who happened to be from England? I'm asking sincerely - I think it is an important and meaningful distinction. I think we need to stop framing legitimate grievances, like imperialism, in terms of geography or religion or race and start understanding them in terms of class because that is the truth of it. Otherwise we just keep fighting the same, wrong, battle about how those people from there are bad not like we people from here who are good. Everyone is bad or good, which bit of dirt they are standing on at any given moment is not a useful piece of information and never has been.
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Jan 9, 2021 10:56
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Look I'm prepared to discuss this fairly but its important that you first acknowledge that you are an idiot wierdo sheep that nobody likes with the wool permanently pulled over your blind eyes. Right with that out of the way...
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Jan 9, 2021 10:57
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a pipe smoking dog posted:To be clear I think English Imperialism is a tool that has been used against the english working class as well as against other nations, but I think English people need to acknowledge how much it has warped their world view and recognise why Englishness is viewed so negatively by others.
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Jan 9, 2021 11:02
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kyojin posted:Is it really the negative impacts of 'England' though, or is it the negative impacts of a small group of million/billion/trillionaires who happened to be from England? I'm asking sincerely - I think it is an important and meaningful distinction. I use England as more of a concept than as a collective description of its people. The, and I don't know exactly to describe it but , "Myth of England" casts a long shadow over these islands and I'm increasingly of the opinion that the people of the Celtic nations might be more able to engage in meaningful internationalist action free of England. I think it might also go someway to breaking the myth of England for the English and end the cultural Toryism that has ruined these islands. To be clear until very recently I would have definitely considered myself a unionist but I now think that given the opportunity I would support Welsh independence. I don't think England or Englishness is an inherent sin of the English, I think it's a tool which has been used to oppress both the Celts and the English and which needs destroying.
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Jan 9, 2021 11:05
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Communist Thoughts posted:The empire has now been invoked, my people are very normal you see It might be relevant that as I understand it Scotland and the Scots were pretty enthusiastic imperialists too. So it’s hardly like Scotland is the blameless victim of English imperialism. As has been noted here already, less focus on nations and more on wealth and power structures would be more productive, especially as these grow more global and supra-national. My god, my class consciousness has been awakened.
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Jan 9, 2021 11:06
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I'm increasingly of the opinion that the people of the Celtic nations might be more able to engage in meaningful internationalist action free of England. I think that a few powerful members of the 'people of the celtic nations' would consolidate their advantage and exploit all the other less powerful people of the celtic nations, because that is what happens pretty much every single time and its dead weird to think that the people of the celtic nations would somehow be impervious to this by dint of their specific co-ordinates
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Jan 9, 2021 11:12
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Also sorry if my posts are a bit half baked, it was my birthday yesterday so I'm tired hungover and phone posting but I hope you get my point. Maybe once I've had some coffee I'll do a ronya post on the development of Celtic nationalism and independence movements over the last 100 years.
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Jan 9, 2021 11:13
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kyojin posted:I think that a few powerful members of the 'people of the celtic nations' would consolidate their advantage and exploit all the other less powerful people of the celtic nations, because that is what happens pretty much every single time and its dead weird to think that the people of the celtic nations would somehow be impervious to this by dint of their specific co-ordinates I'm not saying an independent Wales would suddenly emerge fully formed as socialist phoenix (or dragon I guess), I'm saying that the dissolution of the UK could create a space where internationalist socialism would be more possible.
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Jan 9, 2021 11:16
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Watched The Social Dilemma last night. Very centrist in its equivocation of left and right polarisation, and totally ignores other factors in that polarisation, but I found it really interesting. I think social media may indeed be a huge foundation of the rot of society and would quite like to focus on doing something about it.
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Jan 9, 2021 11:25
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I'm not saying an independent Wales would suddenly emerge fully formed as socialist phoenix (or dragon I guess), I'm saying that the dissolution of the UK could create a space where internationalist socialism would be more possible. I hope you are right because 'more magical lines making more, smaller, boxes' is definitely the way things are going. Seems likely that the international propagandists and billionairiat would just assign x billion to purchasing the media and politics of independent Wales and manipulate it in the same way they have done everywhere else though. Can't have the Welsh providing a nearby example of how things could be better after all.. edit: meant to add, I would definitely be interested to read a ronya post about celtic nationalism. I also enjoy actual ronya posts mind kyojin fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Jan 9, 2021 11:29
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Jan 9, 2021 11:55
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Ash Crimson posted:I'm in favour of northern independence and other regional variations; I'm not arguing for picot-sykes or a historically similar equivalent and it's weird that you seem to think I am That's the thing, they're supporting each other's ideas about what kind of a poster you are and don't bother to read your posts. That'll keep happening. Sorry.
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Jan 9, 2021 12:07
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nationalism is still mind poison but honestly at this point i'm numb to the moral atrocity of this place. it is very amusing to me however that this flares up now. like, during plague, the most important thing is definitely flags, get them straight and everything else will be sorted lmao it's not new either, plauges often spur nationalism. see also, the "spanish" flu - people are funny. it was only this week where i saw someone on twitter who was agreeing with joanne cherry that scottish nationalism may require violent resistance - someone i would not normally associate with that horrible terf but who was clearly willing to put aside those things and work towards certain goals. had a real cassandra feel on that one.
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Jan 9, 2021 12:18
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endlessmonotony posted:That's the thing, they're supporting each other's ideas about what kind of a poster you are and don't bother to read your posts. Having read every post in this thread I can't say I've seen much evidence of Ash engaging in good faith. E.g. Ash Crimson posted:What else could explain the disparity? Why is England getting hit the hardest in terms of total deaths? And when told that it's because England has ~55 million more people than Scotland: Ash Crimson posted:I consider myself barely sentient plus statistics isn't something I've ever researched or learnt about
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Jan 9, 2021 12:19
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SpicePro posted:*small rant into the atmos based on almost nothing* There was someone in the US Riot thread, talking about how the best way - in their opinion - to solve the problem of entrenched attitudes would be to expand the railway network, to make it easier for people to actually travel around. The rationale being that if you get out of your hometown regularly and meet a range of people with different experiences and lifeviews, that inherently expands your own frame of reference and undermines the sort of insular "gently caress those other guys" view that can form in small towns, where opinions get passed around like the same set of genes.
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Jan 9, 2021 12:21
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therattle posted:It might be relevant that as I understand it Scotland and the Scots were pretty enthusiastic imperialists too. So it’s hardly like Scotland is the blameless victim of English imperialism. As has been noted here already, less focus on nations and more on wealth and power structures would be more productive, especially as these grow more global and supra-national. Yeah, and if they made it explicit it's about the richest people in England they'd do slightly better in this thread. It's still not hard to read from context though, so that's on almost everyone else. And you're using "the Scots" the exact same way as they're using "the English". Intentional? Most of the English don't want to get rid of the monarchy though, and 52% of Britain overall are irrationally racist, so it probably will result in the same response in most places though.
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Jan 9, 2021 12:22
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Niric posted:Having read every post in this thread I can't say I've seen much evidence of Ash engaging in good faith. You're very deliberately cherry picking and I don't know how you think you're fooling anyone.
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Jan 9, 2021 12:23
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man do you remember that time endlessmonotony declared me a blood and soil fascist for saying guto bebb is a star wars name
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Jan 9, 2021 12:24
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Maybe we should all put aside our differences and agree that the worst loving people are liberal southern fubpees who have started going on about how they're going to move to Scotland and make Scotland independent so that they can rejoin the EU. Like it's somehow the worst combination of "and then Trump will invoke the pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo clause of the 69th Amendment which will allow Ben Garrison to take command of the Space Force and expose the Dominos pizza machine fraud and this is how he wins in 2021" people and the "as long as I get to go to France on my jollybibs I don't care what the proles actually want" people.
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Jan 9, 2021 12:26
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Supporting Scottish/Welsh/Kernowek/Northumbrian/whatever independence is fine, as is highlighting the crimes of England, but popping in every few days to say "boy, English people sure are bad, huh", then getting indignant and sealioning for hours when people react entirely predictably, is just so loving tiresome. I usually try to ignore it but I was drunk last night & frankly it's been like 3 days since the last episode , jfc e: endlessmonotony posted:It's still not hard to read from context though, so that's on almost everyone else. Borrovan fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Jan 9, 2021 12:27
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endlessmonotony posted:
Most Scottish people don't want to get rid of the monarchy either. This post is a pretty good example of people making sweeping claims about Scotland (in this case, "is anti monarchy") to support their argument without bothering to check if it holds up. Like you could've said "England is more pro monarchy than Scotland" and it would've been true, but you didn't because you didn't think to check. These kind of sweeping claims that Scotland believes X to prove Scottish moral superiority are something I see a lot of with my scot nat friends
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i am personally infinitely forgiving and generally used to prefer to debunk or ridicule silly nationalist arguments. i don't dislike posters, generally, even if i dislike their ideologies, or elements of them. i think right now - humans are social animals and that element of our nature is denied to us and as such it is difficult for us to thrive in these circumstances, we're all sort of getting by and coping the best we can.
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