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Pastamania posted:We know Boris is poo poo, we know he dithers, we know he overpromises, and that he makes the obvious hard call 5 weeks too late every single loving time, but there's nothing we can do about it right now. Maybe he'll pay for it down the road. "We" knew all that stuff before the last election yet somehow the tories are still in power. Have you considered that the average Arsenal-supporting gobshite doesn't actually know those things, and having the fact that the UK government has completely hosed the situation repeated constantly until it sinks in is the only way to get through to some of them? You don't hear the Americans on this site complaining when people criticize Donald Trump's handling of this exact same situation - they're right there making the exact same criticisms. You should be doing the same. Don't get sad, get angry.
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https://twitter.com/jorgearangure/status/1347583732451061767 Other states have been giving shots to random people rather than throwing them away https://twitter.com/myeowenstv/status/1346872662077923328 E: yikes https://twitter.com/sleavenworth/status/1347577606774738950 Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Pastamania posted:Calling people who are actively suffering right now 'fuckers' doesn't actually get this message across, because shockingly people don't like being called 'fuckers' at the best of times and especially not while they're acutely suffering long term for decisions they had no say in. Intentionally ostracising anyone when we need to convince them to put themselves through a great deal of pain, isolation and hardship for an extended period is an absolutely batshit loving insane idea. I thought it was clear, but they are calling the people who caused the virus to get as bad as it is "fuckers". The UK government who bungled the response are responsible, not UKers in general Like UKers do bear some responsibility for electing a bunch of shitlords in the first place, but the proper way to assuage that guilt is to make it clear to your government just how unacceptable all of this poo poo is. Get it together, UK QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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We are a bunch of fuckers to be fair. I hate it here
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QuarkJets posted:The UK's policies caused those deaths, the UK's policies lead to this new strain becoming so widespread Hey now, there's plenty of bad governments and plenty of aggressive new strains going around. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1347637978361946113 Also it's entirely possible that the UK strain originated in the US but was only first detected when it spread to the UK because the UK is sequencing a huge number of their cases and the US is sequencing practically none. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1260568774329225217 Pity the UK isn't an island like NZ is or they could've got on top of it earlier too
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gay picnic defence posted:https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1260568774329225217 honest question, why did Brexiteer politicians not slam the airport gates shut in isolationist panic as soon as the virus started reaching Europe? It doesn't seem very UK #1 to commit to going it alone and then just leave the doors open when a viral menace starts jumping countries that you already think you can do without
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Because the island can't survive without outsiders. Ask how many polish nurses keep up the NHS care system alive for example. I don't have numbers but it is a LOT.
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It really can't be understated how absolutely dogshit the UK response to the pandemic has been. Even during the lowest point in June/July/August their average number of daily infections never dropped below 500 and the decisions they took around the Christmas holidays have literally doomed thousands of people to an unnecessary death in the coming months  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:
This seems less likely to be the case if you read the report I posted above. They retroactively track the spread of the new strain through the characteristic absence of a specific PCR band (S-gene target failure) in aggregate tests over a period of weeks. It seems to radiate outward from a single point in southeastern England (Kent County IIRC). The infected traveller would've probably had to travel to the UK from the US without infecting anyone else who happened to be leaving Kent County in the process. If they did infect anyone, the strain would've appeared in other isolated locations before spreading outward from multiple epicenters. Given how transmissible we know this strain is, the international travel scenario seems pretty unlikely.
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zgrowler2 posted:honest question, why did Brexiteer politicians not slam the airport gates shut in isolationist panic as soon as the virus started reaching Europe? It doesn't seem very UK #1 to commit to going it alone and then just leave the doors open when a viral menace starts jumping countries that you already think you can do without It would’ve played to the dickheads and nuffy base of the Tory party quite nicely you’d think. Maybe it was unacceptable for the gammons to be forced to quarantine when they came back from their holidays in Spain or something. Shutting the border was kind of a big deal here in Australia and for NZ too because a lot of our economy depends on tourism and education, but I don’t think either of those are super important to the UK.
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html This is a well researched article that makes a pretty good case that we can't dismiss the lab leak hypothesis. Not that it was leaked from the lab, but it looks more likely as we learn more about the virus. Turns out there are actually some serious scientists who believe it but haven't spoken out because of getting labeled conspiracy nuts, and that some of the scientists behind the big push last year to refute the lab leak hypothesis are actually involved in research/funding the wuhan lab that it might have leaked from. Regardless of all that, it's well written and has a ton of interesting information about how gain of function expirments work in these labs to induce mutations and is relative to this discussion of how mutation might have arose in this more infectious strain in the wild. Also, you know how we now know all these stories about terribly unsafe handling of nuclear weapons and waste? It turns out that accidents and exposures are happening in these high level infectious disease labs all the time. It certainly clinched my butthole, there are some scary stories and statistics about lab accidents in there. It's well worth the read even if you don't buy the lab leak theory so don't dismiss it out of hand.
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Jabor posted:Arsenal-supporting gobshite Bit racist that? Boris is a still a massive american bellend. Can we send him back?
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We have enough problems here. Send him to Pitcairn Island if you really want to be rid of him. You guys own it, make him village idiot of the town there.
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Or one of those abandoned Hebridean islands, we could send
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Collateral posted:Bit racist that? "Arsenal supporters" aren't a race.
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I feel like society would be better off if more leaders were given the Napoleon treatment.
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zgrowler2 posted:honest question, why did Brexiteer politicians not slam the airport gates shut in isolationist panic as soon as the virus started reaching Europe? It doesn't seem very UK #1 to commit to going it alone and then just leave the doors open when a viral menace starts jumping countries that you already think you can do without It's probably misconstruing Brexit to see it as typically isolationist. While coming down hard on immigration was definitely a key motivating factor for the popular vote going towards it, it wasn't really what was driving the right-wing faction that brought it all about. It's really more of a nationalist drive both for 'retaking control' and free-market capitalism/deregulation. From that perspective, the whole business forward/preserve the economy thinking is actually fully in line with why the UK was slow to put limitations on travel. As a testament to that, even with all the regs on leisure travel, business travel has had a number of loopholes to allow it to continue, absurdly. gay picnic defence posted:Shutting the border was kind of a big deal here in Australia and for NZ too because a lot of our economy depends on tourism and education, but I don’t think either of those are super important to the UK. To pair it with this, as a percentage of GDP, tourism is more than 3x more relevant to the UK than Australia, and education spending is also 20%+ higher in relative terms, which were further factors as to why the controls on international travel were glacially slow to be enacted. The UK gov't either accidentally or selectively listened to poo poo science at the start and attempted to walk a middle road that would control the spread somewhat while protecting the economy. Both goals failed rather spectacularly.
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Jeza posted:why the UK was slow to put limitations on travel. I know it isn't the right thread for it, but Brexit would have been an unlikely event if the Labour gov had taken the 7 year moratorium on free movement in 2004. I know the eurosceptic movement existed beforehand but that was the watershed moment. It would not have been an issue if the moratorium wasn't a thing at all but Germany and France knew what the fallout of opening their borders would be. The people of the Ascension 7 had nowhere else to go for a better life, so they came here. We can point a rightful finger at DC for holding the vote but TB should shoulder a lot of the blame for making a big issue. Even then, there were many moments, or actions that could have prevented what happened. Sound familiar? HMG will never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Collateral fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Hey now, there's plenty of bad governments and plenty of aggressive new strains going around. That actually is unlikely--apparently it was wild conjecture from Dr. Birx, and the CDC said that "to date, neither researchers nor analysts at C.D.C. have seen the emergence of a particular variant in the United States."
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Uncle Lloyd posted:That actually is unlikely--apparently it was wild conjecture from Dr. Birx, and the CDC said that "to date, neither researchers nor analysts at C.D.C. have seen the emergence of a particular variant in the United States." Ha, CNN have updated the story to reflect that as well.
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Uncle Lloyd posted:That actually is unlikely--apparently it was wild conjecture from Dr. Birx, and the CDC said that "to date, neither researchers nor analysts at C.D.C. have seen the emergence of a particular variant in the United States." This is true, but it is also true the US is barely sequencing virus samples at nearly the rate the UK and most other places are. It could very well be that we have our own variant or a large population of the known variants and just don't know it yet.
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D-Pad posted:This is true, but it is also true the US is barely sequencing virus samples at nearly the rate the UK and most other places are. It could very well be that we have our own variant or a large population of the known variants and just don't know it yet.
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Jabor posted:"Arsenal supporters" aren't a race. Indeed. On the other hand, Arsenal is located in the constituency with one of the few remaining thoughtful and committed socialist MPs in the country. Yeah, a hotbed of leftists is deffo a good avatar of blame for the idiocy of the Tories handling of Covid, leaving the EU, etc etc etc.
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Uncle Lloyd posted:That actually is unlikely--apparently it was wild conjecture from Dr. Birx, and the CDC said that "to date, neither researchers nor analysts at C.D.C. have seen the emergence of a particular variant in the United States." Can't see it if you don't look for it
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Sentinel Red posted:Indeed. On the other hand, Arsenal is located in the constituency with one of the few remaining thoughtful and committed socialist MPs in the country. Yeah, a hotbed of leftists is deffo a good avatar of blame for the idiocy of the Tories handling of Covid, leaving the EU, etc etc etc. I know gently caress-all about how actual politicians are distributed in the UK, that was a comment about general political apathy using the name of a soccer club as something a significant portion of people likely care more about than they do about politics. Should I have mentioned Man U supporters instead?
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zgrowler2 posted:honest question, why did Brexiteer politicians not slam the airport gates shut in isolationist panic as soon as the virus started reaching Europe? It doesn't seem very UK #1 to commit to going it alone and then just leave the doors open when a viral menace starts jumping countries that you already think you can do without Because Brexiteers are not UK #1, they're UK Businesses #1. The elite are completely sheltered from the effects of the pandemic, but their bottom line is impacted from the economic impacts of a lockdown. That's what happened in the US, too. We ended our lockdowns prematurely to appease billionaires baying for profit. Politicians faced political violence because we refused to take care of our people.
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zgrowler2 posted:honest question, why did Brexiteer politicians not slam the airport gates shut in isolationist panic as soon as the virus started reaching Europe? It doesn't seem very UK #1 to commit to going it alone and then just leave the doors open when a viral menace starts jumping countries that you already think you can do without The flippant answer is $$$, but I also believe that Australia and New Zealand's geographic isolation, while that actually has a minimal effect on how disruptive/economically damaging it is to close your borders, has a very strong effect on the perception of closing borders (both among the public and politicians). There's no situation in which doing that in the year 2020 isn't a big loving deal, but I can definitely see how it seemed like a bigger deal - an unthinkable one - for an island country embedded in Europe than it was for Australia and New Zealand.
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Mithaldu posted:fwiw, whenever i run into covid deniers on twitter they have a 50:50 chance of being very loud sports fans, and they and right wingers in general are the only demographic in which this happens Are you surprised? Dressing up in clothing of certain colours and religiously following a bunch of strangers who kick a ball/drive fast cars in circles on TV and refusing a certain piece of cloth and religiously following a bunch of strangers who talk bullshit on the Internet isn't far apart when you think about it. In terms of behaviour pattern of the fan/denier I mean. Hopper fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jan 10, 2021 |
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Nam Taf posted:Except that they have to isolate for 14 days, not 5. You can't tell them to spend their entire time off work in home isolation, since that's their time spent getting in social interaction after they've been locked on a remote site for however long and then in quarantine for 2 additional weeks. Any FIFO-style rotation will have to budget in the two-week quarantine, and that's what makes it an order of magnitude harder than scheduling a standard FIFO roster. In a perfect system yes you would have them isolate for 14 days. However, as you point out, this is not practicable. That doesn't imply isolating during the work period and for 5 days afterwards isn't a great improvement on the current system of not isolating during the working period and for 0 days afterwards.
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Hopper posted:Are you surprised? Dressing up in clothing of certain colours and religiously following a bunch of strangers who kick a ball/drive fast cars in circles on TV and refusing a certain piece of cloth and religiously following a bunch of strangers who talk bullshit on the Internet isn't far apart when you think about it. In terms of behaviour pattern of the fan/denier I mean. oh yeah, it's all just "i'm a fan of this team, even tho i have zero rational reason for it"
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freebooter posted:The flippant answer is $$$, but I also believe that Australia and New Zealand's geographic isolation, while that actually has a minimal effect on how disruptive/economically damaging it is to close your borders, has a very strong effect on the perception of closing borders (both among the public and politicians). There's no situation in which doing that in the year 2020 isn't a big loving deal, but I can definitely see how it seemed like a bigger deal - an unthinkable one - for an island country embedded in Europe than it was for Australia and New Zealand. Hard pass. Distance dramatically alter what kind of goods cross borders and why people do as well. The UK is too close to Ireland, France and the Netherlands to be able to arbitrarily shut borders. The consequence of France doing so last month make it clear why this wasn't done earlier. The UK might be an island but it isn't a very isolated one.
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smoobles posted:It's more contagious, not more deadly, and Americans already have doubled down on breathing into each other's lungs are every opportunity according to current numbers don't worry the South Africa strain is also spreading, and that one is totally more deadly to youth!
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Nam Taf posted:How do you ask entire legions of staff who work for private hotel chains to give up their lives for well over a year? You're not just asking them to quarantine for two weeks, you're asking them to essentially FIFO into a single building for a period of time, and then lock themselves in a room for 2 weeks, before being allowed back into society. you could pay them well? plenty of people would live in a hotel room for the right price
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Rutibex posted:you could pay them well? plenty of people would live in a hotel room for the right price Well thats not an option for anybody so it is impossible. We have tried everything!
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There Bias Two posted:Our best hypothesis right now is that this strain probably arose in a single individual that had a long-term infection or was treated with antibodies in such a way as to create selective pressure. The degree of mutation (~20 amino acids) is too different from the other known strains for it to have developed cumulatively through person-to-person spread over time. or some sicko bio-student got a sample of covid-19 and did some homebrew gain-of-function in his garage
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MiddleOne posted:Hard pass. Distance dramatically alter what kind of goods cross borders and why people do as well. The UK is too close to Ireland, France and the Netherlands to be able to arbitrarily shut borders. The consequence of France doing so last month make it clear why this wasn't done earlier. What do goods have to do with anything? Freight is always exempt. Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan and Vietnam did not become autarchies overnight; the harbours and airports are still humming with unimpeded imports and exports. Trucks are still passing back and forth over the closed US/Canada border. And I do love how people crack out the word "arbitrary" these days. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
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