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It turns out nearly everything the British say about the French is probably projection.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It turns out nearly everything the British say about the French is probably projection. American, but lest we forget 112 Gripes About the French.
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Jan 10, 2021 04:23
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Thwomp posted:The World Trade Center was pretty controversial for a while after its construction. A while? People were trying to take it down decades later
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Jan 10, 2021 07:10
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Milo and POTUS posted:A while? People were trying to take it down decades later 
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Jan 10, 2021 07:20
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Thwomp posted:The World Trade Center was pretty controversial for a while after its construction. I can kind of see why, it was two giant rectangles next to each other. The architecture involved was super neat and the way they stood out in the skyline was as cool as they would be boring in a vacuum.
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Jan 10, 2021 07:22
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Almost everything on QI is untrue.
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Jan 10, 2021 07:43
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It turns out nearly everything the British say about the French is probably projection. What's pretty telling is that the French have a lot less of a constant need to bitterly badmouth the Brits than vice versa. Historical inferiority complexes between nations are usually very one-sided.
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Jan 10, 2021 07:51
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barbecue at the folks posted:What's pretty telling is that the French have a lot less of a constant need to bitterly badmouth the Brits than vice versa. Historical inferiority complexes between nations are usually very one-sided. This explainas texas
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Jan 10, 2021 07:53
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Are we doing that thing where a country is judged by its dumbest members? The average non-gammon is not constantly and bitterly badmouthing the french. Some dickheads that think they're funnier than they are might go for the whole 'friendly rivarly' shtick and need to be told 'surrender monkey' and quoting Sharpe isn't funny or relevant but that's not the desperate hatred being suggested. I will admit, however, that there are a lot of gammons.
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Jan 10, 2021 10:26
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RC and Moon Pie posted:American, but lest we forget 112 Gripes About the French. It's interesting reading - basically a big "STFU, you're wrong, here's why" aimed at American Servicemen complaining about the French.
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Jan 10, 2021 10:54
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Regarde Aduck posted:Are we doing that thing where a country is judged by its dumbest members? The average non-gammon is not constantly and bitterly badmouthing the french. Some dickheads that think they're funnier than they are might go for the whole 'friendly rivarly' shtick and need to be told 'surrender monkey' and quoting Sharpe isn't funny or relevant but that's not the desperate hatred being suggested. I wanna give the UK the benefit of the doubt, but then I remember who the prime minister is and Brexit, and then I just wanna see a unified Ireland, and Scotland break off it's chains and join the EU.
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Jan 10, 2021 11:40
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Regarde Aduck posted:Are we doing that thing where a country is judged by its dumbest members? The average non-gammon is not constantly and bitterly badmouthing the french. Some dickheads that think they're funnier than they are might go for the whole 'friendly rivarly' shtick and need to be told 'surrender monkey' and quoting Sharpe isn't funny or relevant but that's not the desperate hatred being suggested. I thought that was a type of ham
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Jan 10, 2021 13:12
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doverhog posted:I just wanna see a unified Ireland, and Scotland break off it's chains and join the EU. This is the exact same moronic logic as "hurr blue states should secede and let the south rot".
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Jan 10, 2021 13:13
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Sweevo posted:This is the exact same moronic logic as "hurr blue states should secede and let the south rot". Oh I was staring at your post for a while trying to understand it, but when I clicked quote you'd already edited it. I won't refer to the original because obviously you rethought it but what's wrong with supporting Irish unification and Scottish independence? Numbers from polls (all hail our heavenly polls) seem pretty even from a quick search.. but I don't know what else you'd use to frame it empirically or are you saying that leaving the union would be disastrous for those countries?
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Jan 10, 2021 13:17
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Sweevo posted:This is the exact same moronic logic as "hurr blue states should secede and let the south rot". That is absolutely not true. I assume you have a very surface level understanding of the isles politics
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Jan 10, 2021 13:28
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Sweevo posted:This is the exact same moronic logic as "hurr blue states should secede and let the south rot". Scotland has indeed been unified with England far longer and more peacefully, but it has a distinct history of independent nationality which predates the United States of America's very existence. In addition, the driving force here is on the smaller national groupings - Scotland would presumably revert to an independent state, while the six counties of Northern Ireland would unify with the republic and presumably the EU. "Blue states" and "red states" are also far more similar than they are different, even now; most of the distinctions are due to regional trends predating the current political alignments in America, and they are subject to change, for instance in Georgia. If the current trends and political constellations stayed the same for the next eighty or one hundred years, then perhaps the other distinctions would have grown sufficient to make national separation seem more reasonable, but by then we will all be dead, or cyborgs, or both.
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Jan 10, 2021 13:59
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Wasn't Scotland an independent country until the early 1700s? That's recent history.
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Jan 10, 2021 14:22
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Wasn't Scotland an independent country until the early 1700s? That's recent history. Unification happenen in 1707
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Jan 10, 2021 14:28
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Scotland was a separate country from circa 843 to 1707 though by that point it had been in a union with England for almost a century though not through conquest but by James VI of Scotland inheriting the English throne and becoming James I of England as well.
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Jan 10, 2021 14:31
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Jan 10, 2021 14:32
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Plus Scotland has a very seperate and distinct grouping within the union which despite how much southerners wish they had, they really don’t.
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Jan 10, 2021 14:50
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RC and Moon Pie posted:American, but lest we forget 112 Gripes About the French. Being a french-US dual citizen growing up in the US I got so much poo poo in the freedom fries era, which becomes more hilarious as I grow older because the french, and especially the french government, are probably the most similar europeans to the US in terms of worldview. Which is why these culture clashes happen. Also if the good bits leave the UK, I guess England and Wales can join the Union if they fire the Queen. Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 15:02 on Jan 10, 2021 |
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Jan 10, 2021 15:00
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Wipfmetz posted:And his Code Civil aka Code Napoleon influences european continental law until today. And Louisiana. Civil Law is basically the default, only old British colonies and the Wretched Isles uses Common law systems, hell, even the Scots uses a hybrid system, there's a reason why most people outside of the US, really don't understand how your legal system loving works.
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Jan 10, 2021 15:33
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Different US states have different legal systems, a lawyer has to be separately certified for each state they wanna practice in.
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Jan 10, 2021 15:41
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Sweevo posted:This is the exact same moronic logic as "hurr blue states should secede and let the south rot". little bit different considering that the roles are reversed. in the UK England is the powerhouse that sets the rules while Scotland feels left out. In the US the North is the one who sets the rules while poor people in the South basically live in a third world country.
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Jan 10, 2021 17:07
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In some places in America, if the sheriff is incapacitated or removed from the post, the coroner becomes sheriff. My stupid original hometown has had three sheriffs get into legal trouble and be removed in the past 30 years.
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Jan 10, 2021 18:15
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Also it should be said that Scotland often does feel hosed over and they have a fair case. Especially during the Thatcher years. They probably hated her more than anyone else
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Jan 10, 2021 18:34
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RC and Moon Pie posted:In some places in America, if the sheriff is incapacitated or removed from the post, the coroner becomes sheriff. My stupid original hometown has had three sheriffs get into legal trouble and be removed in the past 30 years. This got me thinking if we even have coroners. I checked and I guess we kind of do - the official moniker in English is medicolegal officers (literal translation would be justice doctors which is better IMHO). The amusing thing is they work for the The Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare.
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Jan 10, 2021 18:36
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In Iceland a coroner is called a "Réttarlæknir" (Court [of law] Doctor) and his name is Pétur Guðmann Guðmannsson.Peanut President posted:little bit different considering that the roles are reversed. in the UK England is the powerhouse that sets the rules while Scotland feels left out. In the US the North is the one who sets the rules while poor people in the South basically live in a third world country. Also the CSA was only a country for six years, Scotland for almost a thousand. e: sorry, four years. FreudianSlippers has a new favorite as of 21:52 on Jan 10, 2021 |
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Jan 10, 2021 21:47
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Beachcomber posted:I thought that was a type of ham IIRC "gammon" as a term for the English brand of middle-aged blowhard brexiteering chud is precisely because the flushed, heavy faces that tend to express those opinions make them look like a cured ham It'd be like if we had one word that encapsulated "picture taken with the front camera of their phone, inside the cabin of their Ford F-250 Super Duty, and they've got a backwards ball cap, sunglasses, and a goatee"
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Jan 11, 2021 01:51
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Phy posted:It'd be like if we had one word that encapsulated "picture taken with the front camera of their phone, inside the cabin of their Ford F-250 Super Duty, and they've got a backwards ball cap, sunglasses, and a goatee" Chud?
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Jan 11, 2021 02:27
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Phy posted:IIRC "gammon" as a term for the English brand of middle-aged blowhard brexiteering chud is precisely because the flushed, heavy faces that tend to express those opinions make them look like a cured ham Chud? Republican? Nazi? Sorry we have more than one brand of ham?
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Jan 11, 2021 02:30
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I never really got the whole “surrender monkey” thing anyway since my understanding of the French people is that once they get a taste of blood and/or rioting they tend to commit pretty hard to it
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Atticus_1354 posted:Chud? I think chud is too broad a term, at least the way my mind works. The truckshades dudes are merely one genus of North American chuds, as gammon are one genus of English right-wing numskulls.
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Jan 11, 2021 02:51
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christmas boots posted:I never really got the whole “surrender monkey” thing anyway since my understanding of the French people is that once they get a taste of blood and/or rioting they tend to commit pretty hard to it When you ignore all history that doesn't involve the US, and doesn't involve anything before 1939, then the French lost one war and surrendered quickly (WW2) and something involving Korea or Vietnam (which are really the same if you're from a flyover state and the most exotic food you've eaten is the Orange Chicken from Panda Express). Therefore they're losers.
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Jan 11, 2021 03:14
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Arcturas posted:When you ignore all history that doesn't involve the US, and doesn't involve anything before 1939, then the French lost one war and surrendered quickly (WW2) and something involving Korea or Vietnam (which are really the same if you're from a flyover state and the most exotic food you've eaten is the Orange Chicken from Panda Express). Therefore they're losers. If all you remember is the tidbits from American history class, the previous century+ isn't great either: got bailed out by US (1918), lost to Germany (1871), sold Louisiana then lost to everybody (Napoleon), helped America win the Revolution, lost to Britain (French and Indian War).
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Jan 11, 2021 04:06
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Napoléon, famous for being meek and not belligerent at all.
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Jan 11, 2021 07:35
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Those French losers who most definitely were so bad at war that almost all military terminology is derived from French.
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christmas boots posted:I never really got the whole “surrender monkey” thing anyway since my understanding of the French people is that once they get a taste of blood and/or rioting they tend to commit pretty hard to it
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I thought the idea of the french being bad at war ("cheese eating surrender monkeys") was more or less a joke made up by the simpsons, and intended to be recognised as stupid? As in, only someone as stupid as homer would actually know so little as to believe that - it's not homer displaying an uncharacteristic historical/world knowledge and just accidentally not being right, it is understood to be wrong (or maybe just stupid? i guess this is the subtlety), and only someone like homer could say it. And then the simpsons and american broadcasting in general is just so prevalent that almost everywhere has since been introduced to the idea -- but usually generally only as a joke, specifically in the context of "this is something americans believe", because homer simpson is seen as kind of the archetypal american That's my take anyway, I don't think I've seen anybody ever talk about it without it being almost directly attributable to the simpsons Sulla Faex has a new favorite as of 10:33 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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