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Stultus Maximus posted:Holy poo poo he's gonna launch the nukes now isn't he. They've taken everything he cares about. He's going to Alamo, TX (not the Alamo) on Tuesday to yammer about the border wall. The plan appears to be for the entire government to pretend that Pence is the president and distract Donnie with shiny things (the wall, Tech nonsense, etc.).
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MazelTovCocktail posted:I know the Lincoln Project became unpopular because of a tweet from some dude at *checks notes* the daily poster(and an AOC tweet), but they’re still pushing ahead and with great content. They’ve been in overdrive the past few days. Look I’m a dirty centrist I love their stuff. Trump was the world's most powerful Twitter troll. The Lincoln Project trolled the troll.
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facialimpediment posted:He's going to Alamo, TX (not the Alamo) on Tuesday to yammer about the border wall. The plan appears to be for the entire government to pretend that Pence is the president and distract Donnie with shiny things (the wall, Tech nonsense, etc.). I’m just so concerned he’s going to start pardoning these traitors. I still want him impeached and convicted even if it takes 100 days. Granted I’m sure a ton of those idiots violates state weapons laws in Maryland and other states coming through, but that’s going to be a lot harder to prove. That said Dyngus would probably make it very narrow where it wouldn’t actually be as functional as you think it would be. I wonder if there’s a novel argument to be made that pardoning violent crimes against a co-equal branch of government is not constitutional, because it would violate separation of powers and well other stuff...I’m just spinning ideas in my head. CBJSprague24 posted:Trump was the world's most powerful Twitter troll. The Lincoln Project trolled the troll. And it’s been glorious to watch.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:I wonder if there’s a novel argument to be made that pardoning violent crimes against a co-equal branch of government is not constitutional, because it would violate separation of powers and well other stuff...I’m just spinning ideas in my head. If the justices of the Supreme Court feel personally threatened, I could see them going along with something like this. It’s arguably less of a leap than the implied right to privacy, for example. That said, the Roberts court is real bad.
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Jan 10, 2021 19:36
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MazelTovCocktail posted:I know the Lincoln Project became unpopular because of a tweet from some dude at *checks notes* the daily poster(and an AOC tweet), they became unpopular because of the election; they took in hundreds of millions of dollars and moved negative votes in the segments they purportedly targeted, and they'll now use most of it to pull the administration to the right and characterize decarbonizing and providing health care as unreasonable. we all like tweets that own the people we don't like, but don't get it mixed up: they are an entertainment outlet that funds conservative politics. They're PragerU for a slightly different audience.
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Jan 10, 2021 19:37
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https://twitter.com/rebekahlsanders/status/1348334472853291008?s=21 I’m sure we’ve seen the video of that cop getting chased by the mob, but that dude probably prevented some REALLY bad poo poo and saved a ton of lives. He’s standing next to the open door leading to the senate there and he baited the mob away from it. You can see it in the video from the journalists that were with him too. That dude deserves whatever the highest award he can get is.
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Jan 10, 2021 19:41
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https://twitter.com/LiaS814/status/1348291433258741763 https://twitter.com/lilsarg/status/1348284898952536064 They just can’t stop eating their own.
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Jan 10, 2021 19:42
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fknlo posted:That dude deserves whatever the highest award he can get is. The Presidential Medal of Freedom 
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Doc Hawkins posted:they became unpopular because of the election; they took in hundreds of millions of dollars and moved negative votes in the segments they purportedly targeted, and they'll now use most of it to pull the administration to the right and characterize decarbonizing and providing health care as unreasonable. they are absolutely pro-trump agenda, they just hated that the man pushing it was so incompetent and made the GOP look bad.
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Doc Hawkins posted:they became unpopular because of the election; they took in hundreds of millions of dollars and moved negative votes in the segments they purportedly targeted, and they'll now use most of it to pull the administration to the right and characterize decarbonizing and providing health care as unreasonable. I was saying in GBS that I think they may have (not intentionally) wound up influencing independents and certain Democrats (say people who liked the grenade marine or blue dog voters), but I’ll admit it’s going to take time and studies to verify or disprove that. Also anyone giving this much grief to Cruz and Hawley non stop...I’m okay with the moment. That said if they really do a full hell turn everyone has a right to point that out and laugh at me for years to come here about it (unless I acknowledge it before everyone else). I’ll agree they want a push more towards Reagan era, but without they embrace of the whack jobs and racists (which they say was a mistake to not get rid of and own up to it in a 60 minutes interview for what it’s worth). “Platystemon” posted:If the justices of the Supreme Court feel personally threatened, I could see them going along with something like this. Yeah, I feel like an overwhelming action aimed at legitimization for the attack on a coequal is a compelling argument. I mean what stops a future attack on the Supreme Court (say like Pablo did in Columbia) and a President pardoning everyone. DC is in a weird area (unless it becomes a state), where any violence or crime there against is pretty much federal only (although I’d love to see an article explaining how DC law functions that doesn’t make it federal, if such exceptions exists). Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jan 10, 2021 |
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The Lincoln Project puts out great anti-GOP content that isn't remotely equivalent to the laughable falsehoods that make up 99.9% of PragerU vids. That doesn't mean anyone should be giving them money or hail them as thought leaders, but we don't need to have this same dumb song and dance every time they call out the GOP more forcefully than the Democrats.
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Cugel the Clever posted:The Lincoln Project puts out great anti-GOP content that isn't remotely equivalent to the laughable falsehoods that make up 99.9% of PragerU vids. This is also a good reasoning too.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:They just can’t stop eating their own. That's how
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MazelTovCocktail posted:And it’s been glorious to watch. It seems like the right wing equivalent of the late night talk show host Trump burns which if I remember correctly did more harm than good since it just kept the circle jerk thinking of GOP dumb haha we are the smart ones what a joke rolling
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Hey folks. Anything interesting happen in the last few weeks since I've been off the forums?
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Platystemon posted:Orwell, writing in 1944, said: I get what he's saying and I wasn't aware that it had been abused to meaninglessness so early, but I do think that a study and survey of regimes largely viewed as (or self designated as) fascist can reveal a set of distinguishing characteristics. I think his problem was that he was naming single things which would make for "fascism" or requiring that every fascist regime share all characteristics. For example, all fascism is nationalist but not all nationalism is fascist. (Contrast with forum favorite Eco's Ur-Fascism which I think it both too broad and too specific at times). I'd list the following as key indicators of fascism, in no particular order. I don't think all are required, but if you've got most of them... - Ultranationalism (often but not necessarily including expansionism) - Single party rule - Charismatic leader/cult of personality - Ethnonationalism - Subordination of the individual to the good of the nation-state - Violent paramilitary activity - Hostility to liberal democratic values, particularly assaults on a free press Subordination of individuals to the good of the nation-state is the only one I don't see in Trumpism. It's fascism.
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maffew buildings posted:It seems like the right wing equivalent of the late night talk show host Trump burns which if I remember correctly did more harm than good since it just kept the circle jerk thinking of GOP dumb haha we are the smart ones what a joke rolling I’m going to argue in this case dumb, doesn’t mean not dangerous or not a threat, and there seems to be a distinction vs a Seth Meyers.
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You're right, the Lincoln project folks are all about competent fascism and Meyers isn't If you want to push the Reagan era minus the racism you aren't left with much besides bipartisanship to further goals that disproportionately gently caress over oh wait back to racism. If they did some good this election, great, but I still do not believe they acted out of anything but greed and a desire to further their own abhorrent agenda maffew buildings fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jan 10, 2021 |
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Trump is supposed to travel to Alamo, TX on Tuesday to showcase progress on the border wall(?). There are a few oddities about this:
So doom Twitter if of two minds: This is another Four Seasons screw-up. AFAIK there are no exurbs in the Valley, except maybe for small enclaves of q-tips who are rich-enough to own both a double-wide and a Class A motorhome there, but not enough for The Villages in Florida. Or, Lots of rumors flying around (but of course nothing specific) about trying to make a last stand and "Alamo" is clearly a codeword etc.
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Lots of idiots will be going to jail for a long time. Apparently while not very accurate with people of color, image recognition technology works pretty drat well with white people. https://twitter.com/repriggleman/status/1348333660618035203?s=21
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pantslesswithwolves posted:https://twitter.com/LiaS814/status/1348291433258741763 It's why I'm not particularly worried about them winning. I'm more concerned with the incalculable damage they can do along the way
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Apparently while not very accurate with people of color, image recognition technology works pretty drat well with white people. When they’re not wearing masks. A friend and I have a disagreement about the degree to which pandemic contrarianism is responsible for them not wearing masks versus age‐old factors like “law enforcement treats them with kid gloves” and “they want their face in the history books”.
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Lake of Methane posted:Trump is supposed to travel to Alamo, TX on Tuesday to showcase progress on the border wall(?). There are a few oddities about this: lmao
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Reminder: Lincoln Project would've have existed in Pence were in charge. Laugh at the things they make, sure. But never forget this one controlling fact about them.
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Platystemon posted:When they’re not wearing masks. it also helps that a bunch of people livestreamed it from their instagram and FB accounts. even with masks plenty of people would've sold themselves out in the name of internet-cred.
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boop the snoot posted:it also helps that a bunch of people livestreamed it from their instagram and FB accounts. even with masks plenty of people would've sold themselves out in the name of internet-cred. Yeah and so much data must be coming from geofence warrants.
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So what the gently caress is going on in Chicago?
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:So what the gently caress is going on in Chicago? You'll have to narrow that down.
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its also not hard to figure things out by the absence of geodata. You can plot a geodata line to DC, then a geodata blackhole, then a geodata line back home. i'll turn my phone off right before this coup, the feds will never suspect a thing
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Stultus Maximus posted:You'll have to narrow that down. Uhh, the 7 people shot, 3 dead and dead shooter.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Uhh, the 7 people shot, 3 dead and dead shooter. That's a tame weekend in Chicago. 30 people got shot at a New Year's party.
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Good point. Just curious if anything came out about the shooter, motive, etc. You know, was he Q crazy or not, that jazz.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:I know the Lincoln Project became unpopular because of a tweet from some dude at *checks notes* the daily poster(and an AOC tweet), but they’re still pushing ahead and with great content. They’ve been in overdrive the past few days. Look I’m a dirty centrist I love their stuff. Boy I just love the people that cheerlead is into the Iraq War
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PookBear posted:its also not hard to figure things out by the absence of geodata. You can plot a geodata line to DC, then a geodata blackhole, then a geodata line back home. If that’s the only thing they have on you it’s probably not enough. We’re not yet at the point where no phone = automatic guilt like we are with breathalyzer tests.
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:loving brainwormed nutcase Could have closed with “your obedient servant,” have a little fun with it.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I get what he's saying and I wasn't aware that it had been abused to meaninglessness so early, but I do think that a study and survey of regimes largely viewed as (or self designated as) fascist can reveal a set of distinguishing characteristics. I think his problem was that he was naming single things which would make for "fascism" or requiring that every fascist regime share all characteristics. For example, all fascism is nationalist but not all nationalism is fascist. (Contrast with forum favorite Eco's Ur-Fascism which I think it both too broad and too specific at times). lately i've been reading Blood In My Eye, and i'd say the big thing you're missing is Free Markets. Fascism is a defense mechanism that comes out in times of crisis, ie when there's a chance for workers to take power. instead you divide them against themselves with nationalist anti-democratic bull, then take power first, then purge and restructure things to put the workers in their place, then eventually return to a more profitable liberal democracy with better bulwarks against crisis. this happened in Indonesia, Taiwan, Korea, Chile, and of course forcibly in Germany, but given that everywhere else didn't need a military loss to follow this trajectory, i think the same thing would have happened there too without one. quote:In order for capitalism to continue to rule, any action that threatens the right of a few individuals to own and control public property must be prohibited and curtailed whatever the cost in resources (the international wing of the repressive institutions has spent one and one-half trillion dollars since World War II), whatever the cost in blood (My Lai, Augusta, Georgia, Kent State, the Panther trials, the frame-up of Angela Davis)! The national repressive institutions (police, National Guard, army, etc.) are no less determined. The mayors that curse the rioters and’ the looters (Mayor Daley of Chicago has ordered them summarily executed in the streets) and ignore the fact that their bosses have looted the world! quote:The shock troops of fascism on the mass political level are drawn from members of the lower-middle class who feel the upward thrust of the lower classes more acutely. These classes feel that any dislocation of the present economy resulting from the upward thrust of the masses would affect their status first. They are joined by that sector of the working class which is backward enough to be affected by nationalistic trappings and loyalty syndrome that sociologists have termed the ‘Authoritarian Personality.’ One primary aim of the fascist arrangement is to extend and develop this new pig class, to degenerate and diffuse working-class consciousness with a psycho-social appeal to man’s herd instincts. Development and exploitation of the authoritarian syndrome is at the center of ‘totalitarian’ capitalism (fascism). It feeds on a small but false sense of class consciousness and the need for community.
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Oh no, it's there. Its just hidden behind the vet worship and armed forces cargo-culting for now. It will be more apparent if they become more successful in pushing the country their way. IMO In classic fascism that was always code for "keeping the underclasses in their place. but not you, you're one of the good ones". so it will come into play later.
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Doc Hawkins posted:lately i've been reading Blood In My Eye, and i'd say the big thing you're missing is Free Markets. Fascism is a defense mechanism that comes out in times of crisis, ie when there's a chance for workers to take power. instead you divide them against themselves with nationalist anti-democratic bull, then take power first, then purge and restructure things to put the workers in their place, then eventually return to a more profitable liberal democracy with better bulwarks against crisis. this happened in Indonesia, Taiwan, Korea, Chile, and of course forcibly in Germany, but given that everywhere else didn't need a military loss to follow this trajectory, i think the same thing would have happened there too without one. I disagree, though consider I'm mostly going from less-than-recent reading of Robert Paxton plus some things here and there over the last year or two so I'm not wedded to my interpretations. I'm seeing the small percent of Republican Never-Trumpers as the Republicans who actually believe in free markets/liberal economics. Fascism, with its key ingredient of nationalism, tends to favor economic nationalism - tariffs, quotas, etc. Also, the attack on big tech is in line with fascist opposition to actual free markets - fascism tends towards government control and regulation of industry which is directly useful (arms, prisons) or can be a threat if not controlled (media, today's tech sector).
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