MedicineHut posted:

Game is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ApO6StVJA

Thoatse posted:

https://i.imgur.com/HYP7bao.gifv

bandaid.friend posted:

Rubber imperfections in modern boots are much smaller. If this is meant to be wear and tear, it's too evenly distributed over the boot, isn't concentrated in areas that should see actual wear, and doesn't include tears or scratches. I don't see a mould line from the production process. This is an incredibly unfidelitous boot

Trilobite posted:

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Scruffpuff posted:

Also each boot* shipped in a separate box, with a separate shipping charge for each box.

commando in tophat posted:

I loved the first season where there wasn't any alien poo poo technically there was, but at that point it could be bioweapon as well. I got into it after reading raving reviews of internet nerds about how there are realistic space things and all of that went out of window with magic asteroid and magic portals. But it is still ok I guess

nawledgelambo posted:

jesus christ

can roberts just come out with a "lol gotcha guys, i decided this isnt gonna work uhhhhh thanks for the support"

the jig is up come on and put a nail in this coffin

Kosumo posted:

Can confrim, I tried this with a well used 9volt battery and only got a tingle ...... I then brought a 890 Jump!

The Titanic posted:

chadbear posted:

They showed off some janky animations last year, I think. I still have it in my browser history.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/9prrneucdubxqr/mp4/StarCitizen_Squadron42_VanduulAttacks.mp4

Arguments for 10-20x slower acceleration in space, and how I think it would improve fun and realism posted:

Arguments for 10-20x slower acceleration in space
This is a set of arguments specifically about how I think, slower accelerations of thrusters would benefit space flight and space combat. I am going to write another topic on atmospheric flight, so this one is solely for the space part of the argument.

This is the base claim I would make:

quote:

10-20x slower acceleration of thrusters would make space flight and space combat more engaging and realistic.

• The 10-20x number is a rough estimate. I would like to make smaller ships get stronger debuffs to acceleration than very large ships. An 890 should accelerate slower too, but it is already closer to more realistic slow speeds. While small ships and medium ships feel very light.
  
• The second thing, 10-20x slower acceleration does not mean 10-20 slower speed. The top speeds should still be what they are now or whatever the devs want to max them. However the accelration should be slower.

Why the acceleration?

• It makes players commit for longer for the speed 'regime' they are in now.
  
• A player flying very slow is very slow until he invests time and fuel to accelerate to a higher speed.
  
• A player flying at very high speed is committing to being very fast, and it would cost him time and fuel to get slower again.

That adds a strategic layer to choosing the velocity. This applies to both combat and non-combat situations.

How it affects non-combat:
A player flying over a planet or moon surface, looking for things, be it rocks, rare plants, wrecks. If he flies slow then he will cover less ground, however he will have more time to inspect the ground he is flying over more closely. (I am really hoping the game's upcoming radar systems will leave room for visual spotting). Flying faster covers more ground, but costs more fuel to slow down.

Committing to any velocity extreme comes with advantages and disadvantages.

How it affects combat:

• Imagine you are floating in space, perhaps in front of Korea station.
  
• You check your missions or loadout.
  
• Then a hostile contact appears 3 kilometers behind you and starts shooting.
  
• You take a hit, then quickly turn towards the hostile target and accelerate towards it.
  
• As it moves towards you at 1.1 km/s and you do the same, the closing rate is 2.2 km/s

Let me emphasize:
2.2 kilometers per second. That is Mach 6.41 - 6.41 times the speed of sound.
Ships can interact with each other within a 5km bubble, depending on weapons. That leaves you, or the hostile 2.5 seconds to interact (shoot). Then you disappear from each other's weapon range.

I have prepared a drawing for this:


This is bad. Because then you don't get that tight 'visceral' dogfight experience. Here is why:

• In a ww2 combat scenario, a spitfire chasing a bf109 would perhaps fly towards it at 550km/h.
  
• The target BF would fly at 520km/h (arbitrary numbers, not indicating what plane has the better speed at which situation or altitude).
  
• The spitfire gains on the target at 30km/h (8.33 meters per second).
  
• If the spitfire has an optimal firing range of 300 or less meters and he is 500m away, then he would get within that range in 25 seconds. 25 seconds of intense chasing of your opponent as he tries to get away or dodge you getting him into the sights.

And that's the point, you want dogfights to be about ships chasing each other in a narrow window of firing opportunity.

A video from DCS, showing a BF109 that I chased and shot its engine dead. Their relative speeds are very low, you get this visceral slow flying along the target and see what is going on with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsNHkxCFpaE

However that is not possible if ships blink out of view within 2 seconds. The game should bring the closing rates of ships chasing each other to 5-10 meters persecond. Not 2.2 kilometers per second.

And you get that by making acceleration take longer. 10-20 slower acceleration would do that. Note that does not mean reaching topspeed 10-20x slower. Because of different thruster power related to ship mass.

'But it's good for miners. Miners should not be defenseless targets.'
I would disagree. A miner caught in an ambush, should not get a free ticket to escape within 2-5 seconds. He should try to get away and fight with all its claws to fend off the attacker to damage it or keep it away until it can escape. And if the pirate is faster, that still does not mean the pirate is going to win. Also there is a lot of things the miner can do BEFORE being found by a pirate to avoid combat. A miner escaping an ambush should be a messy situation with narrow escapes and damage and chaos that takes perhaps a minute or longer. Not 5 seconds.

Ship thrust power
Currently it's very hard to have granular control over thrust power. The 'notches' you can mousewheel appear to very coarse. The stepping for the thrust power gauge should be finer, so players can easily mousewheel between 45% and 45.3%, instead of 45% and 50%.
This is evident when trying to fly slow and slowly increasing thrust power. There is not enough room in the thruster power gauge to do that.

The second issue:
Thruster power affects all thrusters equally. This causes issues:

• When flying with 5% thrust power, the main thruster is soft and smooth. However the pitch and yaw controls also only have 5% of the (much weaker than the main thruster) maneuvering thrusters. That means the ship will wobble around while trying to fly straight.
  
• The next issue is that if you want to take off from a 1g pad or planet, you have to keep all thrusters at a minimum level so that the strafe-up thrusters can keep up. For a pisces 87% thrust. For all thrusters.

A solution would be to have 3 thruster controls:

• Main thruster, back and forward
  
• Vertical
  
• Maneuver (thrusters that control pitch, yaw, roll, strafe sidewards)

Then a pilot can take off with the sufficient thrust he needs while not instantly accelerating to 50m/s when pressing W for a second.

this is a video demonstrating the above points:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Mx512zJxo

Video with timestamp showing dev flying a nomad chasing an avenger, and the ships are purposefully kept at low relative speeds to give it the apperance of classic dogfights. So I think CIG wants the dogfighting to be with slow relative speeds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQL4xyLFow

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

As far as I can tell cig has given up on making a good flight model, so good luck commando.

Reminds me of the recent article about ED Odyssey where they talk about going through dozens of iterations on the speed of movement, combat, and gunplay to nail the feel they are shooting for. Iteration is God but all SC had to offer are refactors.

I Thought This Picture Was Taken In SC posted:

...but actually, it's from CP2077 and I think it's weird that this picture resembles Star Citizen so much. Or should I say, the Idea of it...

High heels undersuit for female players posted:

/^

Ooh, I feel like people gonna hate me for this idea ^_^

Scruffpuff posted:

Also each boot shipped in a separate box, with a separate shipping charge for each box.

quote:

You will eventually be able to run the game smoothly with that hardware, absolutely.

Right now? You will get the alpha experience now; note two things about this statement: one, the alpha stage of development doesn't include a lot of polish and performance tuning. That is true in SC as it is in any game at this stage. And two, the game is both playable for hours at a time, and often frustrating with desynch, crashes and other bugs.

Super important to get your head straight on this, because the biggest cause of frustration is mismanaged personal expectations :)

Now if this still sounds good to you, you'll get the space sim experience that is not available anywhere else. I am addicted and can't play any other game for more than a few minutes before I log back into SC. They all pale in comparison, even at this buggy, early stage.

As for MP question, yes it's an MMO with 50 players per server currently. See my first statement; they'll likely do a round of performance polishing soon and increase that, with things like iCache and server meshing coming online in '21 and '22, increasing from 50 in chunks until they get it tuned in Beta at some point.

Patience - but it's so worth it!

A poster who sounds suspiciously like John Pritchett posted:

• The 10-20x number is a rough estimate. I would like to make smaller ships get stronger debuffs to acceleration than very large ships. An 890 should accelerate slower too, but it is already closer to more realistic slow speeds. While small ships and medium ships feel very light.
  
• The second thing, 10-20x slower acceleration does not mean 10-20 slower speed. The top speeds should still be what they are now or whatever the devs want to max them. However the accelration should be slower.

Why the acceleration?

• It makes players commit for longer for the speed 'regime' they are in now.
  
• A player flying very slow is very slow until he invests time and fuel to accelerate to a higher speed.
  
• A player flying at very high speed is committing to being very fast, and it would cost him time and fuel to get slower again.

That adds a strategic layer to choosing the velocity. This applies to both combat and non-combat situations.

How it affects non-combat:
A player flying over a planet or moon surface, looking for things, be it rocks, rare plants, wrecks. If he flies slow then he will cover less ground, however he will have more time to inspect the ground he is flying over more closely. (I am really hoping the game's upcoming radar systems will leave room for visual spotting). Flying faster covers more ground, but costs more fuel to slow down.

Committing to any velocity extreme comes with advantages and disadvantages.

How it affects combat:

• Imagine you are floating in space, perhaps in front of Korea station.
  
• You check your missions or loadout.
  
• Then a hostile contact appears 3 kilometers behind you and starts shooting.
  
• You take a hit, then quickly turn towards the hostile target and accelerate towards it.
  
• As it moves towards you at 1.1 km/s and you do the same, the closing rate is 2.2 km/s

Let me emphasize:
2.2 kilometers per second. That is Mach 6.41 - 6.41 times the speed of sound.
Ships can interact with each other within a 5km bubble, depending on weapons. That leaves you, or the hostile 2.5 seconds to interact (shoot). Then you disappear from each other's weapon range.

I have prepared a drawing for this:


This is bad. Because then you don't get that tight 'visceral' dogfight experience. Here is why:

• In a ww2 combat scenario, a spitfire chasing a bf109 would perhaps fly towards it at 550km/h.
  
• The target BF would fly at 520km/h (arbitrary numbers, not indicating what plane has the better speed at which situation or altitude).
  
• The spitfire gains on the target at 30km/h (8.33 meters per second).
  
• If the spitfire has an optimal firing range of 300 or less meters and he is 500m away, then he would get within that range in 25 seconds. 25 seconds of intense chasing of your opponent as he tries to get away or dodge you getting him into the sights.

And that's the point, you want dogfights to be about ships chasing each other in a narrow window of firing opportunity.

A video from DCS, showing a BF109 that I chased and shot its engine dead. Their relative speeds are very low, you get this visceral slow flying along the target and see what is going on with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsNHkxCFpaE

However that is not possible if ships blink out of view within 2 seconds. The game should bring the closing rates of ships chasing each other to 5-10 meters persecond. Not 2.2 kilometers per second.

And you get that by making acceleration take longer. 10-20 slower acceleration would do that. Note that does not mean reaching topspeed 10-20x slower. Because of different thruster power related to ship mass.

'But it's good for miners. Miners should not be defenseless targets.'
I would disagree. A miner caught in an ambush, should not get a free ticket to escape within 2-5 seconds. He should try to get away and fight with all its claws to fend off the attacker to damage it or keep it away until it can escape. And if the pirate is faster, that still does not mean the pirate is going to win. Also there is a lot of things the miner can do BEFORE being found by a pirate to avoid combat. A miner escaping an ambush should be a messy situation with narrow escapes and damage and chaos that takes perhaps a minute or longer. Not 5 seconds.

Ship thrust power
Currently it's very hard to have granular control over thrust power. The 'notches' you can mousewheel appear to very coarse. The stepping for the thrust power gauge should be finer, so players can easily mousewheel between 45% and 45.3%, instead of 45% and 50%.
This is evident when trying to fly slow and slowly increasing thrust power. There is not enough room in the thruster power gauge to do that.

The second issue:
Thruster power affects all thrusters equally. This causes issues:

• When flying with 5% thrust power, the main thruster is soft and smooth. However the pitch and yaw controls also only have 5% of the (much weaker than the main thruster) maneuvering thrusters. That means the ship will wobble around while trying to fly straight.
  
• The next issue is that if you want to take off from a 1g pad or planet, you have to keep all thrusters at a minimum level so that the strafe-up thrusters can keep up. For a pisces 87% thrust. For all thrusters.

A solution would be to have 3 thruster controls:

• Main thruster, back and forward
  
• Vertical
  
• Maneuver (thrusters that control pitch, yaw, roll, strafe sidewards)

Then a pilot can take off with the sufficient thrust he needs while not instantly accelerating to 50m/s when pressing W for a second.

this is a video demonstrating the above points:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Mx512zJxo

Video with timestamp showing dev flying a nomad chasing an avenger, and the ships are purposefully kept at low relative speeds to give it the apperance of classic dogfights. So I think CIG wants the dogfighting to be with slow relative speeds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQL4xyLFow

Thoatse posted:

A wild Erin appears

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

As far as I can tell cig has given up on making a good flight model, so good luck commando.

Reminds me of the recent article about ED Odyssey where they talk about going through dozens of iterations on the speed of movement, combat, and gunplay to nail the feel they are shooting for. Iteration is God but all SC had to offer are refactors.

Deptfordx posted:

The classic Independance War had a really interesting Newtonian Physics based system that was unique and really interesting to play.

Star Citizen doesn't (I haven't played it, just dip into this thread ocassionally) do anything like that then?

colonelwest posted:

Lol no. The game’s physics are one of its biggest debacles. They don’t even even have a flight model. Ships just move around in no-clip mode. In fact you can enter an atmosphere and fly to a few feet above the ground, stop, flip your ship so it’s perpendicular to the ground with the nose pointing down, and it will just stay there perfectly motionless.

But if you ask CIG or a member of the Citizen’s Defense Force, they’ll tell you that there is an amazing and complex physics simulation running under the hood, but they just can’t turn it on yet until server meshing or some other god tech that’s always 1-2 years away is finished.

colonelwest posted:

Lol no. The game’s physics are one of its biggest debacles. They don’t even even have a flight model. Ships just move around in no-clip mode. In fact you can enter an atmosphere and fly to a few feet above the ground, stop, flip your ship so it’s perpendicular to the ground with the nose pointing down, and it will just stay there perfectly motionless.

But if you ask CIG or a member of the Citizen’s Defense Force, they’ll tell you that there is an amazing and complex physics simulation running under the hood, but they just can’t turn it on yet until server meshing or some other god tech that’s always 1-2 years away is finished.

Mirificus posted:

Thrust stuff

The Titanic posted:

Yes he can, but I doubt he will.

What I'm sort of expecting is that he lets this one go fully, and comes out with a new Kickstarter that doesn't even start on Kickstarter.

But that implies Robert need more gold.

He may actually be satisfied and is working on non-video game stuff since I don't think he likes video games, but rather movies.

Scruffpuff posted:

There was a great "gameplay" video a year or so ago where whoever was in charge of making the planetary craft look like it was cruising through the atmosphere sort of lost focus for a moment, and you could see the "physics" weren't there at all, and he was just simulating how it should look, just like a kid running around his yard with a toy jet. The ship just kind of noclips around for a moment, then he regains his focus and starts faking the physics again.

Star Citizen is like a giant puppet show where half the time you can see the guys arms coming up from the stage. Yet it persists.

Deptfordx posted:

The classic Independance War had a really interesting Newtonian Physics based system that was unique and really interesting to play.

Star Citizen doesn't (I haven't played it, just dip into this thread ocassionally) do anything like that then?

MedicineHut posted:

Nah, there is little Odyssey can do to impact this shitshow. For as long as there is money to fuel CIG no other game successes or failures as the case may be will make a dent to this train wreck.

Sarsapariller posted:

https://v.redd.it/fohakq139sa61/DASH_1080.mp4

nawledgelambo posted:

if that idiot comes out with his name credited in a prominent film making position im pretty sure that in of itself would be the stimpire's trumpet on strap dildozen

no_recall posted:

Elite : Odyssey will fuel more spacenerds buying into Star Citizen out of spite. Star Citizen will earn more due to the release of spacelegs for Elite. Hardcore backers will throw more money into the trashfire because they can, believing it will make Star Citizen better.

Its all going to be great!

Colostomy Bag posted:

You pledge for a pair of boots but only get one.

Scruffpuff posted:

Star Citizen is like a giant puppet show where half the time you can see the guys arms coming up from the stage. Yet it persists.

Ponzi posted:

And all boots are for the right foot