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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:I just saw my Micro Center has the 10600K for $229. How stupid of an idea is it to flip my 8086K and sidegrade? V stupid for the reason B-Mac listed, but also because intel is like days away from announcing its (much faster, much more feature rich) replacement.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:I just saw my Micro Center has the 10600K for $229. How stupid of an idea is it to flip my 8086K and sidegrade? This wouldn't be worth the time, tbh
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Cygni posted:V stupid for the reason B-Mac listed, but also because intel is like days away from announcing its (much faster, much more feature rich) replacement. Eh, I'll hold off. I figured the price I'd sell the 8086K for and the board would cover the transition. Probably not worth the effort though
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Probably not worth the effort though Just about anything else would be better. Slot in a 9900k. Upgrade to a 10850k. Wait for their new processors.
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poo poo, I am tempted to go with a 9900KS from my 9900K and then I see benchmarks and realize that extra 200-400mhz is NOT WORTH IT.
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I’m hoping to ride my 8700K to whenever DDR5 capable cpus come out but it might be a bit optimistic  Mostly because I am a huge nerd cpu powerfiend not because it will not be a viable cpu anymore.
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jink posted:poo poo, I am tempted to go with a 9900KS from my 9900K and then I see benchmarks and realize that extra 200-400mhz is NOT WORTH IT. If you're interested in wasting money for minimal improvement, send your 9900K to Silicon Lottery for liquid metal application.
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jink posted:poo poo, I am tempted to go with a 9900KS from my 9900K and then I see benchmarks and realize that extra 200-400mhz is NOT WORTH IT. Also why I never bothered to overclock my 9900K (beyond getting rid of the turbo power/time limits). I wouldn't even notice the difference, especially with my current GTX1080 after I upgraded to a 1440p display.
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Just picked up a e5 2697 v2 on the cheap for my unraid box (upgrading from a 3930k). Should breath some life into the old X79 platform until i replace it completely by Zen 5 or whatever Intel has. X79 was pretty awesome and long lived, only found out today you could cram 12 cores at decent (for a xeon) clock speeds in that platform - although they are a tad bit on the low side, not great but not terrible.
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How much warmer AVX512 makes the CPU compared to AVX2? My 8700K has AVX2 only and it runs fine with no AVX offset on 4,7GHz. That is with big heatsink and liquid metal applied.
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priznat posted:I’m hoping to ride my 8700K to whenever DDR5 capable cpus come out but it might be a bit optimistic
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SuperTeeJay posted:I can't decide between getting an 11x00K and next upgrading when DDR5 matures or getting onboard the first DDR5 generation. Sticking with the 8700K until DDR5 matures would obviously be the most sensible option but this is a hobby and I like building new machines more than once every five years. if you want to build a new machine "soon", I think it's more prudent to get on Rocket Lake, and then jump on DDR5 once it's finally mature/cheap, rather than going to DDR5 immediately not only will you avoid DDR5 being prohibitively expensive, but you're also going to avoid needing to buy three parts simultaneously at a time when stock availability is probably still going to be poo poo this year
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BIG HEADLINE posted:If you're interested in wasting money for minimal improvement, send your 9900K to Silicon Lottery for liquid metal application. Ha!   Yeah, I already delidded and liquid metal'd the chip. Also went with the baller Optimus block. https://imgur.com/gallery/CD17KM6 Indiana_Krom posted:Also why I never bothered to overclock my 9900K (beyond getting rid of the turbo power/time limits). I wouldn't even notice the difference, especially with my current GTX1080 after I upgraded to a 1440p display. Indeed. I worked on overclocking but the hassle with these chips to control heat from spikes of voltage is an experiment with insanity. At this point I just want 4.7 all cores all the time and under 90C, thanks. If you want to eek out a couple frames or a few hundred in Cinebench? I guess it's worth that... dunno, never saw massive gains from the work involved.
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So you are doing direct die cooling? They sell shims for that so you don't accidentally crush your die?
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Ihmemies posted:So you are doing direct die cooling? They sell shims for that so you don't accidentally crush your die? Indeed. There is a guard around the chip from RockItCool: https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/collections/9th-gen-cpu/products/9th-gen-direct-to-die-frame-kit-complete I did it myself and it wasn't difficult but made a mess.
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jink posted:Indeed. There is a guard around the chip from RockItCool: https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/collections/9th-gen-cpu/products/9th-gen-direct-to-die-frame-kit-complete How much of a temperature drop did direct die cooling yield? For reference, my 9900k is in the mid to upper 80C range running prime95 AVX on all 16 threads, monitoring apps report roughly ~195w CPU power. The only time I fiddled with overclocking I had the chip at 5.0 all core, but the motherboard automatically fed it some insane voltage under LLC (1.4 ish) which caused it to throttle at 99C/~220w even without AVX and I immediately returned to defaults. My custom water cooler has more than enough capacity to handle the heat, with the CPU and GPU combined it easily dissipates 400w, the problem is the die and IHS are so thick I simply couldn't get the heat out of the CPU and into the coolant fast enough. The die, solder, and IHS basically become insulators because its so much power in such a small space. I knew the only way I'd get any higher cooling performance would be by going direct die cooling, and while I do have a 1155 delid kit I just didn't have the will to risk it, especially because it would be just chasing a number with no significant real world benefit.
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I did kind of a deep dive last night about 9900K direct die cooling and found out that it's not worth doing unless you use liquid metal after-the-fact because even if the indium solder Intel uses isn't the best, it's still better than even the best paste, and if you really want to get optimal results you need to lap the die and that's just a whole lotta *nope* from me since a fuckup means a $369 plus tax trip to Micro Center.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I did kind of a deep dive last night about 9900K direct die cooling and found out that it's not worth doing unless you use liquid metal after-the-fact because even if the indium solder Intel uses isn't the best, it's still better than even the best paste, and if you really want to get optimal results you need to lap the die and that's just a whole lotta *nope* from me since a fuckup means a $369 plus tax trip to Micro Center. What about just lapping the heatspreader. Safe and no downsides right?
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Indiana_Krom posted:How much of a temperature drop did direct die cooling yield? Did you try 1 step down on LLC? 9600k 5.0ghz crew dont have these problems thankfully. Cinebench is like 70-73 max for me after 10 mins.
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At least intel CPU's are available. So mishaps are not that big of a deal since you can actually just go and buy a new one...
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On the subject of SME, SIMD and more importantly vectors, it seems RISC-V vector extensions could be the new hotness? EDIT: And in more processor news, EU is doing their own thing. And guess who's not signed onto that list?  orz
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:On the subject of SME, SIMD and more importantly vectors, it seems RISC-V vector extensions could be the new hotness? The author of article addresses the 'can only pass vector arguments via RAM' criticism, but fails to understand the problem and his suggested solution (a pointer to RAM) shows he failed to understand the basic issue. He seems happy to hype, and generate some clicks.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:EDIT: And in more processor news, EU is doing their own thing. unlocking the power of 220 VOLTS!  https://newsroom.intel.com/news/10nm-creative-improvements-expand-intel-manufacturing-capacity/ Here's a neat video from a few weeks ago, announcing that Intel has doubled their manufacturing capacity in the last 3 years in creative ways, like shrinking the gown room sizes and starting wafers upstream before the downstream tools that will need to process those are even installed.
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I think were gonna see a lot of funky PCIe configurations coming on these Z590 boards. Gigabytes press release says:quote:Z590 AORUS motherboards equip up to three PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots with direct connection to the CPU for the highest bandwidth possible But the CPU only has 20 lanes... so I imagine this is a bifurcation situation. Wonder if it will just automatically kick to 8x-4x-4x-4x, or if the user can specify the distribution. I bet we also see some boards that hang those 2nd/3rd/(4th?) M2 slots off of the PCH with its doubled DMI bandwidth. Motherboards are turning into a cluster.
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Having to explain how the PCH lane routing worked and how you needed to program your soft straps way back in the day was a huge pain the butt that I'm glad I'll never have to do again
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Cygni posted:But the CPU only has 20 lanes... so I imagine this is a bifurcation situation. Wonder if it will just automatically kick to 8x-4x-4x-4x, or if the user can specify the distribution. Other sources are saying 2x PCIe 4 + 1x PCIe 3. But yeah, if you want more than 1x PCIe 4 direct to the CPU you either have to chop the GPU lanes down to 8, use a multiplexer chip, or bifurcate that 4x down further. It'd be kinda hilarious to see a 16x-GPU + 1x-NVMe + 1x-NVMEe + 1x-NVMe setup, in which case a RAID0 across all three would end up with less aggregate bandwidth than a single decent PCIe 4 4x NVMe drive.
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pack it in amdailures
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cool warez logo from 2000
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it better have a sick midi soundtrack or i will be pissed
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so intel's presentation was as expected. 8 core Tiger Lake H for mobile, some 4 core Tiger Lakes with a higher TDP, Ice Lake Xeon still not ready for wide launch, limited (6c and 8c only) Rocket Lake launch for desktop, a poo poo ton of vPro and education stuff for most people to never think about, and Alder Lake still 2nd half of this year. also hon hon hon: https://twitter.com/EVGA_JacobF/status/1348744941585932288
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redeyes posted:Pcie slots?!!! there only being two RAM slots suggests it's one of those boards intended solely for pro overclockers to set records on those guys only need two pci-e slots to run their twin 3090s
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/16388/intel-launches-jasper-lake-tremont-atom-cores-for-all 10nm Tremont Atom is finally here. Any idea if these will give a better experience on Chromebooks than old Skylake Celerons?
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repiv posted:there only being two RAM slots suggests it's one of those boards intended solely for pro overclockers to set records on Totally right. Duh.
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Cygni posted:it better have a sick midi soundtrack or i will be pissed It's all about those sweet tracker beats HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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redeyes posted:Pcie slots?!!! TBQH, now that boards are coming with 2 or more NVMe slots, decent quality built-in sound cards, wi-fi cards, and so on, I'm really struggling to find much of a need for more than 2 slots in most cases (GPU + high-speed NIC). With the size of Ampere cards it's not like you can use more than two of them anyhow (and even then...).
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canyoneer posted:unlocking the power of 230 VOLTS!  Twerk from Home posted:https://www.anandtech.com/show/16388/intel-launches-jasper-lake-tremont-atom-cores-for-all
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It must be the "dark" edition because it has only one garish backlit RGB logo on it
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I like the right angle edge power connections. Also sff-8644 connector!
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priznat posted:I like the right angle edge power connections. Also sff-8644 connector! Designs a board to be showed off in a windowed case Adds native support for loving mini-sas cables
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