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Antonymous posted:A majority of UK citizens went against the 'one europe' principle and left the continent after a popular vote, normalizing their rouge island status. No bloodshed. The UK never claimed to be europe
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Jan 11, 2021 22:31
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UK / Ireland is a better example
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Jan 11, 2021 22:53
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bro there's no perfect analogy it was meant as a joking example of nonviolent secession in the modern era the implication Taiwan 'claims to speak for all of China' is also a very skewed reading of the facts edit: this thread thinks it's still 1955-1975. I asked for an example of Taiwanese politics following US politics and the example was Taiwan's support for south Vietnam which was one democracy and three dictators ago brother. 50 years ago is the example that comes to mind when talking about 2021 and now you're pulling out Taiwan's claims on Mainland lmao edit2: It's not to say there isn't a critical view you can take but you're all talking out of your rear end based on what you read on wikipedia Antonymous has issued a correction as of 23:05 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Jan 11, 2021 22:57
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Throatwarbler posted:In the event of a theoretical reunification, why would the PRC want anything other than functional autonomy in internal affairs for Taiwan? In Hong Kong, there wasn't just a transfer of sovereignty but a transfer of the monopoly of force. In Taiwan, that isn't possible without the "a Normandy style" invasion, but the question is if the Mainland actually wants that type of control "at any cost" or if there is actually bigger fish for the PRC and Taiwan is more or a medium-weight issue. Also, as far as confederations go, I don't think the Mainland is against the idea but they are going to want some more leverage on particularly the relationship between the ROC and the US military. I don't think the Mainland has a problem with the ROC/Taiwanese military being autonomous but they do have a problem with them buying American weapons. A lot of it depends on how much of an extreme position Beijing will take. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:10 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Jan 11, 2021 23:04
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A lot of it comes down to the nationalists within the CCP and what they want; from what we've heard recently it seems they have a much larger influence than most people would assume, and they would want control over Taiwan to be absolute
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Jan 11, 2021 23:14
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Ardennes posted:Also, as far as confederations go, I don't think the Mainland is against the idea but they are going to want some more leverage on particularly the relationship between the ROC and the US military. I don't think the Mainland has a problem with the ROC/Taiwanese military being autonomous but they do have a problem with them buying American weapons. America is the only nation that can get away with selling to Taiwan, I do think China has pushed Taiwan away and into the US MIC's cold embrace. I think China must be in a catch 22 because the attitudes towards Taiwan are not one that makes the people there feel the CCP has their interests in mind, quite the opposite, but that aggressive negative treatment just makes reunification that much harder. China is even banning attendance of Golden Horse. I cannot think of better ways to link the countries than cultural exchanges like that but nope. Then Taiwanese see themselves excluded from the WHO, with China claiming to 'speak for its territory in Taiwan' but then not inviting any Taiwanese to participate or sharing any WHO info with Taiwan, which feels murderous.
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Jan 11, 2021 23:15
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stephenthinkpad posted:My opinion on this subject is that in modern times (as in post cold war), only region where people are willing to shed blood will have a chance to gain independence. Look at East Timor for an example the kind of adversity the native people need to overcome. Therefore, I don't think Catalonia will ever get their independence. However, the Kurds still have a good chance. And I don't think this condition can guarantee the independence. Look at the brutal crackdown of the Tamal Tiger movement in the Sri Lanka civil war for a failed example. Based on my observation of Taiwan society, they don't possess this prerequisites will for independence. basically become a sort of gibralter?
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Jan 11, 2021 23:21
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Grapplejack posted:A lot of it comes down to the nationalists within the CCP and what they want; from what we've heard recently it seems they have a much larger influence than most people would assume, and they would want control over Taiwan to be absolute It really depends on what Xi wants and honestly he seems to be playing the long game here. Antonymous posted:America is the only nation that can get away with selling to Taiwan, I do think China has pushed Taiwan away and into the US MIC's cold embrace. I think China must be in a catch 22 because the attitudes towards Taiwan are not one that makes the people there feel the CCP has their interests in mind, quite the opposite, but that aggressive negative treatment just makes reunification that much harder. Lets be honest here and the ROC government wasn't just going to side with Beijing on a whim and that the US' has a lot of leverage on Taipei, but not infinite leverage. As far as aggressive treatment, it comes and goes, and Beijing is being "hard on Taiwan" to send a message to Tsai but if the KMT was back in power, it would be all smiles again. The ultimate issue is while the US had far more leverage over the situation, it is being strained and eventually I think larger Taiwanese corporations are going to be putting pressure on the DPP to let it get out of hand.
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Jan 11, 2021 23:25
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Jan 11, 2021 23:35
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Sincx yes I know lol it was all over the news. The festival didn't do that tho, am attendee who happened to win did. Beijing is just buttmad they have no way to punish the attendee so they hamstring their own cultural ties to Taiwan. No one gives a poo poo about golden rooster or 100 flowers or Shanghai film festival. Golden horse was the only serious chinese language film festival and if China and HK boycott it's bad for Chinese culture as well. Very sad. Yah under 馬 relations were warming with Mainland which was mostly good imo but then KMT hosed up real bad I think culminating when the students took over the 立法院. Now we have DPP and lucky for this thread you can blame everything on one woman
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Jan 11, 2021 23:45
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stephenthinkpad posted:The current doctrines of CCP does not promise "socialism" with a set date. I think you guys are looking at China with this classical Marxism tinted glasses. Currently CCP promise "eradication of extreme poverty", "entering well-off society" and lastly "great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation" as in the revival of the Chinese civilization. All of these have long term date stamped on them. The current doctrines state China is in the primary stage of socialism. "China socialist by 2049" is a made up meme based on the second centenary goal, which is that by then China will be: "a great modern socialist country that is prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced, harmonious, and beautiful."
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Jan 12, 2021 00:24
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we're all dead in a few decades and china cant save us
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Jan 12, 2021 01:02
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Jan 12, 2021 01:05
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I don't know why you guys make a deal out of the Golden Horse. The cross-strait"cultural exchange" activities has gotten much uglier under Tsai than the Golden Horse thing. DPP literally put mainland college student in jail for "spying" and refuse to let him leave Taiwan after his jail term is served for "ongoing investigation. " Taiwan officials literally said "we are not going to send mainland one mask" when the Covid just happened in Wuhan and everybody was scrambling. Golden Horse speech is nothing. We are way past that. All you need to do is read some TW news in the last 3 years. Or just the last 3 weeks. DPP officials still use "nasty words again China" as an important resume item to ensure their career advancement.
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Jan 12, 2021 01:37
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I think it's a predictable response from China's approach to the situation, and also the green party has a lot of poo poo heads who sound exactly like their mainland counterparts
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Jan 12, 2021 01:48
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I remember in 2010 or so that many of my friends, early to mid 20s, were pretty positive about getting closer to China. A lot of it was opportunity and making money, maybe, and I lived in Taipei, but since 2014 and obv. especially starting in 2016 the CCP has squandered, in my view, any of the positivity of being connected to China. It's easy to make them look bad on Taiwanese media and they have no ground game to make that up. Which makes any chance of peaceful reunification go up in smoke. You can say that 'china has no responsibility to a rouge state's citizens' bu the CCP's whole angle is that they are the rightful government. It seems they want the land and to hell with the people there - anyone can tell you this is a dumb strategy. Their best 'diplomatic' effort is to poach talent and bring them to the mainland which obviously is a mixed bag at best at winning the hearts and minds.
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Jan 12, 2021 02:00
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Stairmaster posted:we're all dead in a few decades and china cant save us
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Jan 12, 2021 02:03
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Stairmaster posted:we're all dead in a few decades and china cant save us maybe you are but I’m a survivor bitch
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Jan 12, 2021 03:55
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https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1348708040975937537
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Jan 12, 2021 03:58
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whoa!
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Jan 12, 2021 03:59
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Jan 12, 2021 04:01
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lmao hosed around and found out
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Jan 12, 2021 04:01
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wow
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Jan 12, 2021 04:12
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Imagine if the United States nationalized Amazon and Paypal at the same drat time, and when they're extremely healthy and growing - not a bailout. Unimaginable.
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Jan 12, 2021 04:16
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Stairmaster posted:we're all dead in a few decades and china cant save us Probably not, unless you're Maldivian. Even then you'll probably just end up in a squalid refugee camp.
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Jan 12, 2021 04:16
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Kindest Forums User posted:Imagine if the United States nationalized Amazon and Paypal at the same drat time, and when they're extremely healthy and growing - not a bailout. Unimaginable. This is why America will fail.
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Jan 12, 2021 04:19
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man i wish xi had been president of the US in 2008
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Jan 12, 2021 04:21
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the only named source this cites is radio free asia, lol.
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Jan 12, 2021 04:24
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Judakel posted:lmao hosed around and found out
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Jan 12, 2021 04:32
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Rand Paul posted:the only named source this cites is radio free asia, lol. NEDed again
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Jan 12, 2021 04:35
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Is this real? Why nationalize the shopping mall platdorm though? Just nationalize Alipay and let the 4 national banks run it.
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Jan 12, 2021 05:07
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Jan 12, 2021 05:23
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this is huge if it stands https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1348993173901762561?s=19
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Jan 12, 2021 15:12
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Has anyone here read "Rise of the Red Engineers"? I've heard it's good.
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Jan 12, 2021 15:44
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can anyone itt explain to me the causes of the cambodian people's party political 180?
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Jan 12, 2021 18:02
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mila kunis posted:this is huge if it stands It's apparently just a pause in implementation? seems like the farmers unions are going to continue protesting until there is a full repeal.
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Jan 12, 2021 18:35
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yeah, hence "if it stands"
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Jan 12, 2021 19:17
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https://twitter.com/Karl_Was_Right/status/1349058475653951488?s=20
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Jan 12, 2021 19:26
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Jan 12, 2021 20:18
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Jan 12, 2021 20:19
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