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We have now officially passed the midpoint for this vote, deadline is in 23h (around 12 noon GMT/UTC).
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Shogeton posted:
 Councilor Accepted. House Daucus will vote Aye and spend 1 power in exchange for 1 coin from the honorable Dukes of Coden. TravelLog fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jan 12, 2021 |
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Jan 12, 2021 21:24
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[Witnessed!
That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jan 12, 2021 |
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Jan 12, 2021 21:28
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Thanks! I edited to remove the accidental narrative dialogue that was copy-pasted from a previous post.
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Jan 12, 2021 21:30
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Edit: ignore me I'm a phoneposting dum dum!
That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jan 12, 2021 |
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Jan 12, 2021 21:32
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That Italian Guy posted:The honourable Shogeton is not the current Sitting Council member for House Cyfoeth! Although I guess TravelLog's post may be considered an offer if Sighence decides to accept it. Sighence posted:
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Jan 12, 2021 21:48
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This seems like a really interesting game! I'm genuinely shocked I've somehow never heard of this one before. I'm glad senate seats are still open. If you're still asking for top threes before assigning them, my preference would be towards Daucus, Cyfoeth, and Gambol in that order.
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Jan 12, 2021 23:42
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eliasswift posted:This seems like a really interesting game! I'm genuinely shocked I've somehow never heard of this one before. I'm glad senate seats are still open. Welcome to the Dukes of Olwyn, eliasswift! Please send me an email to gloomhavenlp@gmail.com from your preferred comms method and I'll send you the link to House Daucus's private Sheet  Oh and by the way, if there was any doubt the signup is still open, although limited to the 5 Houses that form the Council. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Jan 12, 2021 |
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Jan 12, 2021 23:45
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Edit: im an idiot 
Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Jan 13, 2021 |
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Jan 13, 2021 11:54
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Reign of King Harald V, Dilemma 2, Resolution Vote Results posted:
Vote Outcome posted:
Reign of King Harald V, Dilemma 3 History of the Kingdom of Ankist posted:Storyline:  - Sitting Councilmember: grandalt (also Treasurer)   - Sitting Councilmember: Jossar - Treasurer/Navigator: C...   - Sitting Councilmember: Shogeton (also Treasurer) - Sitting Councilmember: Quackles (also Treasurer)  - Sitting Councilmember: Bellmaker - Treasurer/Negotiator: SporkChan Dilemma3 posted:
The Southern Continent posted:Besides the coastal city-states, the southern continent is barely explored. The inland is apparently wholly occupied by a vast desert called the Ivory Desert, where no one can live, while a tall mountain range called the Nebula Mountains cross it from north to south, splitting it into two halves.  A 48h voting window is now open! - Sitting Councilmembers can send me a PM/Email with their final decision. Please consult the OP if you need a refresher on the rules! - Treasurers can now start bribing. Please consult the OP if you need a refresher on the rules! - Senators are free to discuss the Dilemma and provide their feedback. Don't forget that every choice could have consequences that are not spelled out outright on the front of the card! Also, please remember that during this phase the thread is the main discussion platform - the Sheet is only to be used when discussing items on the sheet itself.
That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Jan 17, 2021 |
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Jan 13, 2021 12:14
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Oh, brother. Right when we were like "we could use some wealth", too.
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Jan 13, 2021 12:18
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An almost spherical man, with a Sigil of house Cyfoeth on his breast “And who are you, the proud lord said, That I must bow so low?” A fit of coughing shakes his body, forcing him to lean on a wall to steady himself. “Mythical treasures? Meh. Our House cannot be arsed to deal with every little problem and fairy tale, we’re still busy reconstructing infrastructure. The other Houses will have to deal with this one, if they want our help they better help pay for those windmills. And they are bloody expensive.”
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Jan 13, 2021 12:45
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Senator *Rant removed*, pardon my French. I urge the council to force this man to free his slave. Human beings should never be property.
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Jan 13, 2021 13:00
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Second Cousin Thrice Removed Well isn't this dilemma quite a situation? We have a great opportunity to strengthen our kingdom's wealth and gain us access to the treasures of the past. But we also have a slave. Now, I agree with the other councilors that the slave should be freed. However, we can't do so at this point in time. Every member of House Pinchay knows the value of hard work and we expect hard work to be rewarded, not... Punished in this way. Unfortunately, our citizens number greatly and this is a single woman. The math just doesn't add up. I wish it were so but our people need trade deals more than this poor woman need freedom, as much as I wish it were so. I support Nay as a vote and call on the sitting member to vote this way
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Jan 13, 2021 13:24
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Omobono posted:*Rant removed*, pardon my French. I've just realized I have not put a content disclaimer in the OP, apologies for that! This has now been fixed (and I should have probably done so in the first place). Content Disclaimer posted:This game is set in a fictional and often cruel fantasy world. It was designed to put you in front of morally challenging situations and tough choices. Many of the dilemmas you will face involve ethical and moral choices related tosensitive topics that could upset your sensitivity, such as injustice, violence, slavery, and discrimination. The game will occasionally put you in front of the uncomfortable choice between what you think is right, and what is best for winning.
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Jan 13, 2021 13:31
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Sitting Councilmember Of what worth is the work of man to harvest wealth from a distant land and yet to find when he's grown old on him is slapped a cuff of gold. House Gambol dearly wishes that more could be done in this instance. However, given the limited options available to the Council, it will simply settle for sending the message that slavery, in all its forms, is not tolerated here.
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Jan 13, 2021 13:35
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Councilmember Blowing up trade relations after all the expenses we've suffered in the hope to find some treasure, and getting one person out of slavery seems like a pretty sucky deal. I'm leaning towards a nay here, but I hold no love for slavery, so I'm not terribly invested in this. If other Houses feel very strongly about this, I encourage them to back their principle with coin, rather than words.
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Jan 13, 2021 13:41
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That Italian Guy posted:I've just realized I have not put a content disclaimer in the OP, apologies for that! This has now been fixed (and I should have probably done so in the first place). It was an in-character rant, no worries. I mean, this is a late medieval - early renaissance backstab and frontstab court intrigue simulator. Ruling ain't easy or moral. Jossar posted:
Cousin Vinnie is already calling dibs on the expedition to seek the Map. To quote the debate from yesterday's dinner: "Of course Morano is lying about the Map. Who cares, it's going to be an adventure, I've always wanted to ride a camel, the ship of the desert. Who wants to sail the desert with me?" Good lad, bright future ahead of him, we need to support him.
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Jan 13, 2021 13:49
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Senator As with the red iron, my general disposition is towards pursuing opportunities wherever they may come. This Golden Map may be the key to further prosperity, so if there's a possible lead, then by all means, we should pursue it by voting Nay. Slavery is a terrible thing. That should come without debate. This decision is purely, and grudgingly, based on material gain.
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Jan 13, 2021 14:09
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Sitting Councilmember This Morano is just another example of the degenerates that line our borders. They deny others the choice to worship The Great Mother and force them to focus on the material needs of their own survival and their owners' vile whims. Our people would be upset at the mere tolerance of this foul practice. Also this Golden Map sounds like more foolishness, another concoction of whimsy by the so-called "City of Tents". Even if it does exist, messing with the past in such a way goes against ALL of The Great Mother's teachings. Blessed be The Mother. Bellmaker fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jan 13, 2021 |
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Jan 13, 2021 14:32
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Senator I strongly urge all my fellow nobles to put the idea of this "map" out of their heads. Whatever dangerous secrets hidden in these heretical "temple" ruins, they will only lead us towards disaster. Blessed be the Mother.
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Jan 13, 2021 14:35
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Senator "One" woman? Did my colleagues perhaps miss the fact that this "one" woman is amongst his samples of  goods ?If we don't make clear that slavery is not accepted here, no matter what, then Ankist will de-facto legalize slavery. After all, a rich person could simply ask the City of Tents for a delivery of "goods" ( ) and then what?Buy the slave from Morano and free her, and make clear that any slaves entering Ankist WILL simply become free in the future. If this blows up the trade deal,  it wasn't worth it in the first place.[ooc] Am I the only one thinking the map is behind the aye decision?
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Jan 13, 2021 15:23
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Senator Sigh. A true dilemma. I always fancied myself a treasure hunter. I would love to go and explore the sands for gold and jewels, but it is not to be. I shall write a poem about it later. We must refuse slavery in all its forms. I propose to the sitting council member that house Gambol put in *2* of our own power, and offer house Cyfoeth two coins for two power.
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Jan 13, 2021 15:41
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Senator While this may be but one slave, the message sent shall resonate through the lands: Slavery must not be tolerated!
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Jan 13, 2021 16:07
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Nea posted:
Senator While I despise slavery on principle, our house is still recovering from the effort of providing food for our peasantry, being the only one who spent both coin and political capital to rebuild the mills*, while House Gambol spent the time gathering power and coin for their own benefit. It's time for others to shoulder the burden of governance and the betterment of the kingdom, as we have already done. *OOC: Fine, House Daucus did spend one power. But I'm technically correct because we've spent both.
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Jan 13, 2021 16:08
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Fat Samurai posted:
Navigator This is a sensible position to hold, and understandable. It seems that no House is publicly rooting for human trafficking, so I will not jog the family purse around with much urgency. In terms of 'where the map is', my instinct is to believe that a freed slave will be more forthcoming than a possessed one, but the true treasure is the slavery we opposed along the way. Cousin Jossar has the right of it, and I appreciate the elegies of sorrow being shared for those in bondage.
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Jan 13, 2021 17:33
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Quackles posted:Well then. Navigator Now that I am in a position to make an impact: I value the accuracy of your records of Coin and Power, and beseech you to continue to serve the kingdom by extending this benefit to the Council. However, I would prefer the Agenda speculation be reserved to the privacy of your family's hallowed halls. House Gambol will pay 1 Coin to House Daucus to modify their Status Reports to not speculate on Agendas.
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Jan 13, 2021 17:42
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Seat Snorer We must think of our own people first. Blowing up a trade deal over someone not our own does some harm to many, where now great harm is done to one. I urge my fellows to think before directing the carriage over five to avoid one.
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Jan 13, 2021 17:51
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Sighence posted:
Navigator I fear the legacy this small acceptance of cruelty will pass on to future generations. The tradeoff always seems small in the short-term, but we establish a precedent that will reverberate through this Kingdom for generations. I would prefer we hand our descendants a Kingdom that is fiscally bankrupt rather than morally bankrupt.
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Jan 13, 2021 18:02
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Councilmember Also, to avoid confusion. As I understand it, an AYE vote is to liberate the slave, gaining us the opportunity to find the map, at economic cost as we lost these trade contacts, since they obviously will not return to people who, in their backwards views, have committed theft. a NAY vote is to maintain good trade relations and reap economic benefits, leave the slave to her fate, and forego the opportunity to find this map.
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Jan 13, 2021 18:20
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Senator I think I speak for all my assembled Lords when I voice a great loathing for the institution of slavery, as none should be forced into a life of servitude, barring their service to The Mother of course. *Nods to the members of House Lethe* However, I hold little belief in this Golden Map and wonder if such wouldn't simply be the peddling of a merchant who wants to make their goods seem more exotic. Searching in the desert on some fool's journey for some lost city or treasure seems a good way to die parched and penniless, things I personally hold no desire to do.
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Jan 13, 2021 18:22
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scavy131 posted:
Worry not, house Gambol has plenty of volunteers for an adventure. Actual volunteers, that's not an euphemism.
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Jan 13, 2021 18:34
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Senator This merchant is obviously lying. Traveling peddlers are infamously boastful about their supposed "adventures"; he no doubt heard of this temple in some idle rumor and decided that tales of it would draw interest in his wares. Have one of the guards direct him to the marketplace, where he belongs.
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Jan 13, 2021 18:43
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megane posted:
Senator While I'd usually be inclined to agree with the honorable member from House Lethe, I must remind that this council has acted on more outlandish claims from even less reputable sources in the past. Does the Scarlet Tide, the symbol of our army, something which was received by provenance from smugglers not suggest that there be some glimmer of truth to these claims as well?
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Jan 13, 2021 18:57
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Senator With a loud thump, a red iron dagger is stabbed into one of the tables in the debate chamber. Holding onto the handle is a young senator, one whose tan and strong build betray his time working outside, perhaps gasp with the peasantry!? "Do you remember where we got this red iron from?" He looks around the chambers, "Smugglers. Criminals. Illegitimate means, all things considered. And now they're treasures, the few swords we were able to make from it are now being paraded around on our military's hips and backs. If we free this woman, we are saying that we'll do trade with criminals, but not with legitimate businessmen who happen to come from a land that supports a vile practice." "Now... I for one am okay with saying that." He makes his way towards the center of the room. "But we have to make sure we are ready for the consequences. This MAY be ruined trade agreements. A hit on the wealth of the nobles. Something I, honestly, don't quite mind personally, as long as my people are fed. BUT there may be military consequences. You spit in someone's face and tell them their land is backwards and vile, and they may just want to show you how vile their land is." "In fact, if you're the one at the head of this debate, they may see your family as the one responsible for this personal. Do you want that coming back on your family?" He looked seriously around the room, trying to make sure everyone got the implications. Then he smiled. "Just a thought." [OOC/non binding bargaining since I'm not the person in charge] So, because this is a legacy game and things can bite you in the rear end, I have two fears. 1: That there's going to end up some cards that will say, "If X Resource is </>/= Y, thing happens." And that pissing people off will lead to "If your military is weak, get screwed in XYZ ways." 2: That there's going to end up some cards that will say, "House that signed X card, have extra consequences." I don't want the military of the City of Tents coming in and hitting everyone, but then "House that signed Dilemma 3's outcome, the City of Tents people find your homes, kill all your chickens, mechanically take all your gold, and then take a dump in your wine casks." So, I put forth the hypothetical bargaining for Quackles and the rest of House Daucus to think on: Default state: Abstain to gather power Negotiations: Voting Aye or Nay in return for a future vote to up Influence. Voting Aye with enough Power to be declared leader for this vote in return for a negotiable amount of Gold.
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Jan 13, 2021 19:05
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How does bargaining for signing rights work, again? If that was a thing one wanted to do.
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Jan 13, 2021 19:15
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Nea posted:
OOC: Edit:Disregard my previous comments, That Italian Guy answers definitively below. scavy131 fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jan 13, 2021 |
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Jan 13, 2021 19:23
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Edit: Yeah, no.
Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jan 13, 2021 |
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Jan 13, 2021 19:27
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Fat Samurai posted:From the OP Also from the OP (section on bargaining): quote:Bargaining: during the Voting phase, Houses can freely bargain and make arrengements. It is not possible to directly trade Power Tokens or the Moderator or Leader role, but you can trade Coins for Favors. For example, you could ask another Councilmember to vote on your side, or even ask them to Pass instead of joining the vote. You could also “buy the right” to Sign something from the Leader, or you could pay the Moderator to break a tie in your favor. A public agreement supersede the secret vote if they are different. 
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D'oh, edited to remove confusion, sorry
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