|
Big Mean Jerk posted:The UFO mytharc on the X-Files didn’t really fall apart until after the movie and I’d honestly argue that the UFO conspiracy stuff in the very early seasons is just as good as the monster of the week stuff. Some of my favorite episodes are story episodes, although they're not quite as rewatchable.
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 02:36
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 30, 2024 10:28 |
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:The UFO mytharc on the X-Files didn’t really fall apart until after the movie and I’d honestly argue that the UFO conspiracy stuff in the very early seasons is just as good as the monster of the week stuff.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 02:50
|
|
|
DS9 season 7 "Prodigal Daughter" (the one with Ezri's family) is so weird. Did they suddenly forget that A/B plots are a thing they can do? Why did we just spend a whole hour with these people?
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 04:17
|
|
|
Sir Lemming posted:DS9 season 7 "Prodigal Daughter" (the one with Ezri's family) is so weird. Did they suddenly forget that A/B plots are a thing they can do? Why did we just spend a whole hour with these people?
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 04:21
|
|
|
nine-gear crow posted:It’s nothing short of ironic that ONE YEAR LATER was perhaps one of the most iconic twists in the show and was heralded by Moore and others as the smartest move they’d ever pulled off, and yet it fundamentally broke the back of the show and it never recovered from it or crawled out of the corner it painted itself into. On this subject, I think it's about time we had another BSG remake, as different from the last one and the original as the last one already was from the original. The concept is really solid.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 04:35
|
|
|
We're getting one, kinda, via Mr. Robot. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tvinsider.com/935779/battlestar-galactica-reboot-peacock-series-sam-esmail/amp/ bull3964 fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jan 14, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 04:40
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:To me it felt like they wanted to get an Ezri-centric episode in before they had to wrap up the show. It's not very good though. I just checked Memory Alpha and it sounds like they literally just couldn't figure out a good plot but had to film it anyway. They were going to do a thing where Ezri's mom had strong-armed someone at Starfleet and/or Trill into giving her daughter the symbiont even though she wasn't the best candidate, but they felt like it made Starfleet look too much like chumps. But then they didn't have anything to replace it with, so it was just a void.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 05:04
|
|
|
bull3964 posted:Were getting one, kinda, via Mr. Robot. Huh. And from 6 months ago even. Well, obviously I'm in to give it a shot, if it's still in development.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 06:55
|
|
|
Maybe battlestar can become a franchise and then we can watch that instead.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 07:05
|
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:The UFO mytharc on the X-Files didn’t really fall apart until after the movie and I’d honestly argue that the UFO conspiracy stuff in the very early seasons is just as good as the monster of the week stuff. I am watching through for the first time since the 90's and can confirm. Even if the plots aren't great, there is usually so much good character stuff happening and it all still feels really fresh. Lots of memorable surreal imagery too. Plus they were really good at subverting audience expectations, in some cases starting an episode off like it was a MOTW but then you get hit with major plot development out of nowhere. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Jan 14, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 08:07
|
|
|
Drink-Mix Man posted:I am watching through for the first time since the 90's and can confirm. Even if the plots aren't great, there is usually so much good character stuff happening and it all still feels really fresh. Lots of memorable surreal imagery too. Oh for sure. I think a lot of the early stuff, particularly the kind of rainy DC night scenes with Deep Throat, also has an almost neo-noir/conspiracy thriller vibe that fell away after a while. There's some genuinely tense and creepy stuff in those early mytharc episodes.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 08:55
|
|
|
Cojawfee posted:Maybe battlestar can become a franchise and then we can watch that instead. You mean Caprica or Blood and Chrome?
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 10:58
|
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:Oh for sure. I think a lot of the early stuff, particularly the kind of rainy DC night scenes with Deep Throat, also has an almost neo-noir/conspiracy thriller vibe that fell away after a while. There's some genuinely tense and creepy stuff in those early mytharc episodes. The sequence where Scully gets the package for Deep Throat was one of the great  experiences of my childhood. They really crafted some incredible suspense in their prime.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 14:16
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:To me it felt like they wanted to get an Ezri-centric episode in before they had to wrap up the show. It's not very good though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 14:18
|
|
|
Timeless Appeal posted:As someone who enjoys the trans reads of Dax, I really like it. Honestly though, while I like Ezri, there is WAY too much Ezri-centric in that season. I’m kind of iffy on if any of it works though
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 14:45
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/carlinspace/status/1349574511591526401?s=20
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 15:38
|
|
|
I felt like the other Ezri episodes were characterization enough, like even though she wasn't the A story in any of them it all totaled up, and the Ezri-centric episode should have been attempted in an eighth season had they done one
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 15:40
|
|
|
galenanorth posted:I felt like the other Ezri episodes were characterization enough, like even though she wasn't the A story in any of them it all totaled up, and the Ezri-centric episode should have been attempted in an eighth season had they done one They knew there wouldn't be a season eight from the start and that season seven would be their only chance to have one, though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 16:20
|
|
|
Also, the way a lot of people reacted to Ezri was kinda a slap in the face to Worf and Jadzia. I feel like the spent 2-3 episodes where Julian and Quark were just talking about how much the loved and should have been banging Jadzia instead of Worf who wasn't good enough for her. And they did it pretty much to his face.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 16:38
|
|
|
By contrast, I felt like they demonstrated impressive restraint in the use of Worf in season 4. Some episodes he's barely in!
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 17:04
|
|
|
Minidust posted:By contrast, I felt like they demonstrated impressive restraint in the use of Worf in season 4. Some episodes he's barely in! Whenever Worf's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's Worf?"
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 17:14
|
|
|
It would have been probably more interesting to give Dax a male host after Jadzia. But totally apart from the squeamishness of 90s TV producers re: gender stuff, that also would have meant going down to only one woman in the main cast, so I understand why they didn't do it. But just imagine those "breakup" conversations between Ezri and Worf if Ezri had been a man. That would have been so cool.
showbiz_liz fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jan 14, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 18:14
|
|
|
Minidust posted:By contrast, I felt like they demonstrated impressive restraint in the use of Worf in season 4. Some episodes he's barely in! I want to say I read somewhere that the first few scripts for season 4 were already being written before it was confirmed Worf was joining the cast, so he’s just kinda haphazardly shoved into a few episodes after Way of the Warrior.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 18:19
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:It’s almost certainly because they have to give her more time since she’s a new character They just didn't need to do THAT much to establish her character. A lot of her establishment episodes are just not necessary. But I think the bigger issue for me is the amount of men being weird about wanting to bang her. I don't care for that at all. But I think Season Seven has weird focuses. Rewatching I was like, "Man, It's Only a Paper Moon is a great sendoff to Vic... oh wait."
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 18:22
|
|
|
Gay Worf would have been cool, they could have pulled that off.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 21:44
|
|
|
thotsky posted:Gay Worf would have been cool, they could have pulled that off. “Two warriors sharing such intimacy is a most honorable act.”
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 21:55
|
|
|
thotsky posted:Gay Worf would have been cool, they could have pulled that off.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 22:10
|
|
|
100% on board with Spartan style Klingons.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 22:32
|
|
|
mirror garak was poo poo
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 22:33
|
|
|
Royal Updog posted:mirror garak was poo poo
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2021 23:13
|
|
|
jeeves posted:Apparently his wife basically almost disowned him from the ONE YEAR LATER stunt he did in S2 finale. To be fair this is more of a core writing quality issue than anything to do with planning. Lots of people get really precious about the idea of a series being totally planned (see: The Wire, Babylon 5), but good writers are going to do a good job whether they plan or not. You can start at the end and work back and that's fine. You can also throw some poo poo at the wall and make things fit later and that's fine, too. The problem is that lovely writers (and you can see this all over BSG) just loving love writing checks that they can't ever hope to cash. That show lived and died on idiot cliffhangers and no amount of preplanning can fix those kinds of fundamental writing problems.
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2021 01:41
|
|
|
hey stop going crazy in there
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2021 01:47
|
|
|
Royal Updog posted:mirror garak was poo poo Turns out the mirror universe version of a good character is a bad character.
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2021 02:00
|
|
|
Yeah I'm not going to say planning everything in advance never pays off, but most of the time it's actually more about making it look like it was planned. Too much planning has pitfalls of its own, if you're not willing to deviate from the plan as the show evolves. See How I Met Your Mother.
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2021 02:33
|
|
|
Gonna rewatch Q-Pid tonight for the first time in 20 years with my girlfriend. Wish me luck.
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2021 02:44
|
|
|
Sir Lemming posted:Yeah I'm not going to say planning everything in advance never pays off, but most of the time it's actually more about making it look like it was planned. Too much planning has pitfalls of its own, if you're not willing to deviate from the plan as the show evolves. See How I Met Your Mother. God, don't get me started on HIMYM; I don't think a series finale has ever made me as viscerally angry as that one. Broadly speaking, I don't think shows need to have a beginning, middle and end wrapped out. The issue with the Star Wars sequel trilogy, for example, isn't that there was no plan in place, the issue is that the storytelling was dogshit. Conversely, DS9 doesn't stick the landing with its final, intricately planned, seven-episode arc, because Ira Behr loves huffing his own farts and no one was around to tell him that he wasn't having the greatest ideas since sliced bread.
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2021 04:01
|
|
|
You don't need to have a totally worked out 5 year plan from the start, but if your story is going somewhere, you need some kind of idea of where it's going. There's a lot of ways to do do that and structure your writing instead of making everything up on the spur of the moment, which will end up a gamble at one point or another. If you at least have one big idea for something down the line, you can do some seeding to make it flow better (so long as you don't get pissy if anyone guesses and change everything at the last moment). Having a plan probably also helps with having to pass all your plans by the executives (or strategizing ways to get around them if that's how you want to play it). Otherwise you're always gonna be gambling that the next thing you do will be torn to shreds after you've already put the time and creative effort into things.
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2021 04:35
|
|
|
jeeves posted:Gonna rewatch Q-Pid tonight for the first time in 20 years with my girlfriend. Wish me luck. You know, having never seen it before a couple weeks ago, I thought the first 20-odd minutes of that episode were really great - both funny and full of good character moments. Then of course it all goes completely off the loving rails, but still.
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2021 04:40
|
|
|
The problem with having an airtight 5 year plan is that you will be cancelled in 3 or asked to go 8.
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2021 08:00
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 30, 2024 10:28 |
|
|
Timby posted:God, don't get me started on HIMYM; I don't think a series finale has ever made me as viscerally angry as that one. And it was dogshit because it was mystery box writing, which is setting up plot points with no plan while assuring the audience there Has To Be A Reason That Makes Sense
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2021 08:41
|
|
