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Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

The Kingfish posted:

oh yeah, this is what I was thinking of. I remembered Carrillo being something a bit stranger than just an air force sergeant.

Tangential but also there were like 30 mysterious deaths at Fort Hood over the course of 2020.

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Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

taqueso posted:

perhaps the guy who dropped bombs in a portland (i think?) park? He was a seal or something

OH YEAH, THIS ONE!

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
What, like just dropped them by accident or what, what's the story

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
Is that a pipe bomb in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

Totally enjoying that manafort thread, the literal definition of having a normal one.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
manafort just can't stop criming

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

crimers gonna crime

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
The tattoo made him do it. AROOOOGAAA

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy




so up until this point the story seems kind of "standard": alt-right guy claims to be a BLM activist, CNN brings him on because they're stupid, which lends credibility to alt-right claims that BLM is bad

and then it takes another turn




Here's links to the original thread by Blumenthal, his article on The Grayzone, and that branch-off thread that talks about John Sullivan

pre:
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1349577049053278208
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/01/12/chaos-agent-right-wing-us-capitol-riot-black-lives-matter/
https://twitter.com/RebellionBaby/status/1331902025429258241
The connection to Thor Halvorssen is what caught my eye, because through Halvorssen runs a direct familial connection to Leopoldo Lopez, the Venezuelan "opposition leader" that the US was backing before Juan Guaido.

Further, Blumenthal mentions the "Oslo Freedom Forum", but that's just a conference that's run by the larger organization that's the Human Rights Foundation (of which Halvorssen is the founder).

The other founder of the HRF? Srdja Popovic, who was the head of Otpor, the Serbian youth organization that was at the tip of the NATO-backed spear that brought down Slobodan Milosevic. This was the organization and the political strategy that the West weaponized into "Color Revolutions" all across the globe, with Otpor turning into CANVAS (the Centre for Applied Nonviolent Action and Strategies) and the HRF.

And the other intersection here is Jhanisse Daza, the "environmental activist" that was involved in the Bolivian coup that overthrew Evo Morales (and longtime readers of the thread will also note that Daza was a huge fan of Jared Leto, who has his own share of intelligence ties).

pre:
https://mronline.org/2019/01/31/the-making-of-juan-guaido/
https://hrf.org/event_speakers_posts/srdja-popovic/
https://twitter.com/elleprovocateur/status/1167856475387154438
So what we have here is the adoptive son of an Air Force Major sabotaging black activists, and then escalating into participation in a right-wing insurrection, while being filmed as part of a project that's backed by people involved in US regime change operations.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


gradenko_2000 posted:

So what we have here is the adoptive son of an Air Force Major sabotaging black activists, and then escalating into participation in a right-wing insurrection, while being filmed as part of a project that's backed by people involved in US regime change operations.

when you put it like that it sounds pretty quotidian. there are a lot of people like this.

Tempora Mutantur
Feb 22, 2005

Doc Hawkins posted:

when you put it like that it sounds pretty quotidian. there are a lot of people like this.

hey man anyone with :10bux: can use the quote button

nut
Jul 30, 2019

v good post grad, and I’m not just saying that because yesterday I was too lazy to read the grayzone article

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


nut posted:

v good post grad, and I’m not just saying that because yesterday I was too lazy to read the grayzone article

super good! this is the thread content i crave

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

nut posted:

v good post grad, and I’m not just saying that because yesterday I was too lazy to read the grayzone article

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
this motherfucker named his sons John and James!?

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

He's a big trekkie

Torpor
Oct 20, 2008

.. and now for my next trick, I'll pretend to be a political commentator...

HONK HONK
that guy is as much a BLM activist as that one guy on those prageru videos was a member of antifa


in any case how does he get on Anderson cooper?

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

Torpor posted:

that guy is as much a BLM activist as that one guy on those prageru videos was a member of antifa


in any case how does he get on Anderson cooper?

They both work for the same Agency

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:

They both work for the same Agency

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
It never ends. Storm the cia next time riled up chuds.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Torpor posted:

that guy is as much a BLM activist as that one guy on those prageru videos was a member of antifa


in any case how does he get on Anderson cooper?

they're friends from when they met at the company reunion.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

nut posted:

v good post grad, and I’m not just saying that because yesterday I was too lazy to read the grayzone article


gradenko_2000 posted:

So what we have here is the adoptive son of an Air Force Major sabotaging black activists, and then escalating into participation in a right-wing insurrection, while being filmed as part of a project that's backed by people involved in US regime change operations.

IMO the smoking gun from that Grayzone article that he's connected to something:

Arrested Jan 7th, released Jan 8th, never charged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3_0f5LeIxU&t=255s

I'm still working my way through the other sources. Thanks a lot for compiling this.

Edit: clarification.

Cpt_Obvious has issued a correction as of 21:50 on Jan 14, 2021

nut
Jul 30, 2019

I'm just coming up on halfway through reading Killing Hope and even after spending more or less a solid year reading about modern American imperialism channeled through the military and CIA, it just floors me how ubiquitous and dense it is. Somewhere along the line of all the reading, my partner asked me why is it always the CIA this the CIA that and William Blum answers the question in the intro the book. Simply, no significant reformist movement has not been violently challenged and (usually) overwhelmingly squashed by the US, and typically the CIA specifically.

The psychological justification that must exist in the political minds that support these actions while cognizant of their truths is just unfathomably evil. I started to get curious about how these systems can psychologically replicate themselves. Blum, in my opinion, makes it incredibly obvious how (in this case) the Navy is capable of making swaths of human beings impervious to humanity both abroad to likely horrible results when they eventually have to come back home.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Cpt_Obvious posted:

IMO the smoking gun from that Grayzone article that he's connected to something:

Arrested Jan 7th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3_0f5LeIxU&t=255s

I'm still working my way through the other sources. Thanks a lot for compiling this.

I think the best video of her getting shot is the one pulled back a ways, where you can see how quickly the very well armed cops behind her came up into the breach. Its very strange to me that inside the chambers you have a couple of security detail guys with handguns, and outside with the hogs you have the tactical officers with rifles. I wonder what portion of the people on that landing were in on whatever game John Sullivan is playing, and if Ashli Babbitt was in on it too (no reason she'd have to be, to be clear, just saying). The fact he's getting promoted by Cooper now is interesting on top of everything else though, especially considering the shenanigans this summer.

The pulled back video really looks like there is a group of people being escorted and they did not expect to encounter resistance. IF there was some sort of inside job (a ~dozen people work together to remove the typical fed response and to gently guide the herd of hogs in the right direction?) that video looks to have captured the spot where they accidently pushed too hard against security that wasn't in on the bit and the plans got hosed up. Either way I hate people that point out that she climbed over the barricade towards an armed security officer of some kind - there were cops EVERYWHERE and that would be the first time any of them actually stopped her, ya know? I'm not sure why she would expect that to be the last stand suddenly.

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china
there was a good rundown of Thor Halvorssen in Mother Jones a few years ago but now I can't find it

e: oh, it was in Buzz Feed, my brain is melting

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosiegray/is-this-the-face-of-a-new-global-human-rights-movement

Fleetwood has issued a correction as of 21:09 on Jan 14, 2021

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

the yanqui running a colour revolution on himself

Torpor
Oct 20, 2008

.. and now for my next trick, I'll pretend to be a political commentator...

HONK HONK

gh0stpinballa posted:

the yanqui running a colour revolution on himself

got to bring the means of empire back to the metropole!

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

Delta-Wye posted:

I think the best video of her getting shot is the one pulled back a ways, where you can see how quickly the very well armed cops behind her came up into the breach. Its very strange to me that inside the chambers you have a couple of security detail guys with handguns, and outside with the hogs you have the tactical officers with rifles. I wonder what portion of the people on that landing were in on whatever game John Sullivan is playing, and if Ashli Babbitt was in on it too (no reason she'd have to be, to be clear, just saying). The fact he's getting promoted by Cooper now is interesting on top of everything else though, especially considering the shenanigans this summer.

The pulled back video really looks like there is a group of people being escorted and they did not expect to encounter resistance. IF there was some sort of inside job (a ~dozen people work together to remove the typical fed response and to gently guide the herd of hogs in the right direction?) that video looks to have captured the spot where they accidently pushed too hard against security that wasn't in on the bit and the plans got hosed up. Either way I hate people that point out that she climbed over the barricade towards an armed security officer of some kind - there were cops EVERYWHERE and that would be the first time any of them actually stopped her, ya know? I'm not sure why she would expect that to be the last stand suddenly.
Yeah I thought that video was of tactically armed chuds the first time I watched it, but the cops are RIGHT THERE and it's clear they're not trying to stop her. Then someone yells "we have an active shooter." I don't know what to make of all the panic buttons being removed but it sounds like that one cop distracting the mob is the reason we don't have a bunch of dead congress people right now

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:

Yeah I thought that video was of tactically armed chuds the first time I watched it, but the cops are RIGHT THERE and it's clear they're not trying to stop her. Then someone yells "we have an active shooter." I don't know what to make of all the panic buttons being removed but it sounds like that one cop distracting the mob is the reason we don't have a bunch of dead congress people right now

its 99% baying hogs that are really mostly harmless afaict, but then you get the picture of the guy with the flexicuffs and its chilling.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Delta-Wye posted:

I think the best video of her getting shot is the one pulled back a ways, where you can see how quickly the very well armed cops behind her came up into the breach. Its very strange to me that inside the chambers you have a couple of security detail guys with handguns, and outside with the hogs you have the tactical officers with rifles. I wonder what portion of the people on that landing were in on whatever game John Sullivan is playing, and if Ashli Babbitt was in on it too (no reason she'd have to be, to be clear, just saying). The fact he's getting promoted by Cooper now is interesting on top of everything else though, especially considering the shenanigans this summer.

The pulled back video really looks like there is a group of people being escorted and they did not expect to encounter resistance. IF there was some sort of inside job (a ~dozen people work together to remove the typical fed response and to gently guide the herd of hogs in the right direction?) that video looks to have captured the spot where they accidently pushed too hard against security that wasn't in on the bit and the plans got hosed up. Either way I hate people that point out that she climbed over the barricade towards an armed security officer of some kind - there were cops EVERYWHERE and that would be the first time any of them actually stopped her, ya know? I'm not sure why she would expect that to be the last stand suddenly.

My point was that he was arrested Jan 7th, released Jan 8th. Never charged.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Cpt_Obvious posted:

My point was that he was arrested Jan 7th, released Jan 8th. Never charged.

For sure, everything screams CI or 'belonged to intelligence' (whatever the gently caress that means lol). It's not that different from other similar stories like Manson, awfully suspicious when they do crimes and get treated with kid gloves while circumstances swirl around them.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
I thought I saw this in this thread but I can't find it. Since we're talking about agent provocateurs...

https://twitter.com/politicalwilli/status/1349083364729360384

Edit: slightly more here: https://twitter.com/soychicka/status/1347033441049710594 and @soychicka has a different thread on the same guy with different video angles but I don't feel like digging it up (she tweets so much my god).

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 22:10 on Jan 14, 2021

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I thought I saw this in this thread but I can't find it. Since we're talking about agent provocateurs...

https://twitter.com/politicalwilli/status/1349083364729360384


goddamn

a few DRUNK BONERS
Mar 25, 2016

nut posted:


The psychological justification that must exist in the political minds that support these actions while cognizant of their truths is just unfathomably evil. I started to get curious about how these systems can psychologically replicate themselves. Blum, in my opinion, makes it incredibly obvious how (in this case) the Navy is capable of making swaths of human beings impervious to humanity both abroad to likely horrible results when they eventually have to come back home.


Absolutely, I think it's very difficult to try and understand what's inside the heads of the people running these programs. A psychological analysis of the people in the intelligence agencies of the United States would be very interesting and would never ever be written. What we have is these outsider accounts trying to interpret the wreckage they leave behind (the CIA is reduced to an inkblot).

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
in other deep state news for whatever reason Epoch Times (Falun Gong) is putting up mondo cash in Youtube ads hyping Spygate of all things

Glasses-wearing Twink in the video, even if you are CIA, meet me at the Comet Ping Pong restroom

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Epoch Times is staying busy, also hyping Uighur agitprop.

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Dr. Killjoy posted:

in other deep state news for whatever reason Epoch Times (Falun Gong) is putting up mondo cash in Youtube ads hyping Spygate of all things

Glasses-wearing Twink in the video, even if you are CIA, meet me at the Comet Ping Pong restroom

I'm in Ontario, Canada and pretty much all my relatives hear have received epoch times stuffed in their mailboxes throughout the province

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I thought I saw this in this thread but I can't find it. Since we're talking about agent provocateurs...

https://twitter.com/politicalwilli/status/1349083364729360384

Edit: slightly more here: https://twitter.com/soychicka/status/1347033441049710594 and @soychicka has a different thread on the same guy with different video angles but I don't feel like digging it up (she tweets so much my god).

stop my brain can only crack ping so much in one day

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I thought I saw this in this thread but I can't find it. Since we're talking about agent provocateurs...

https://twitter.com/politicalwilli/status/1349083364729360384

Edit: slightly more here: https://twitter.com/soychicka/status/1347033441049710594 and @soychicka has a different thread on the same guy with different video angles but I don't feel like digging it up (she tweets so much my god).

this might be the first time Ive seen video indicating the capitol police actually tried to control the crowd once they lost the fenceline lol

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

Laterite posted:

stop my brain can only crack ping so much in one day

I lied; this is from BSS via CSPAM pictures thread:

Slammy posted:


Dinky Fellas (April 5, 1965)


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SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Because the whole gonzo Armie Hammer cannibalism thing (tweets at the end of the post) is getting corroborated with testimony from an ex who said his pillow-talk would involve telling her which of her body parts he wanted to break off and cook, or bite off of her body to eat raw, or about the times she would get a cut and he would lick and suck the blood, I decided to try and do a little bit of an effort thread on Twitter with some light research about how, whether he's a full on psycho sex cannibal or just a headfucked weirdo, this shouldn't come out of left field, as his dad is a rich business guy and his grandpa was an ultra rich owner of Allied Drug, oil tycoon for Occidental Petroleum, and more, so this kind of thing just percolates to the surface when you live your life at that level of wealth and power

but now I'm actually crack pinging the poo poo out of myself the more I research. I am inexperienced with tying red threads across a whiteboard, and my fragile brain is not as good as many of yours are at picking out the wheat from the chaff and I'm already kind of overwhelmed by how to interpret the weirdness. Even just the basic wikipedia articles of Armand Hammer, Michael Armand Hammer, and Armie Hammer point to an abundance of strange things like:

  • OG Armand's dad, Julius, founding the Socialist Labor Party of New York offshoot of the Communist Party after the Revolution, and also having ties to tsarist generals and diplomats
  • Julius being arrested for a botched abortion on a tsarist diplomat's daughter, which was in all likelihood actually performed by Armand himself, his father taking the rap
  • The abortion debacle being uncovered and reported on by Edward Jay Epstein, a Harvard grad and professor, and reporter/author on conspiracies like the JFK assassination, and also a loyal friend and apologist for THAT OTHER Epstein
  • Armand Hammer's name literally coming from his father's respect for the symbol of the people's arm holding a hammer, which is especially ironic due to:
  • Armand abandoning Communism for a political philosophy called Citizen Diplomacy, which stinks of regime-change rhetoric
  • Armand becoming a capitalist when he realized he could secretly sell wheat to starving Russians after a visit to Europe
  • Armand's son Michael being born into insane power and privilege, becoming a typical Inherited Business Guy who does CEO poo poo, Board of Directors poo poo, investment banking, logistics for travel and meetings for powerful businesses, film production, etc, but also an evangelical Christian who spent lots of time hiding money in the Cayman Islands, raising his kids there, and getting his fingers into tons of global missions, charities, philanthropies, orgs, etc, including the Long Range Planning Committee of the West L.A. Boy Scouts, which as we know is about as rotten with child molesters as the Catholic Church
  • Generations of friendships and business dealings with political dynasties like the Gores
  • Connections to Egyptian and Ottoman princes, insider trading scandals, bond trading scandals, and 9/11

I am neither smart enough nor brain poisoned enough to tie all this together, and the threads have gone wild in my brain. Armie Hammer actually, genuinely is among the strata of people who may very well do poo poo like abduct, rape, kill, (brainwash? eat???) people, including kids. I am going insane. I am driving myself insane. Somebody take this away from me and situate it so it makes sense and I'm not just sitting at my desk, grasping at unprovable potential sicko poo poo that will always reside at the perfect border of plausible and implausible so that I can't trust it but also can't discount it.

:derp::shepicide::crackping::psyboom:

edited to add a few more links
edit 2: reformatting cause my linking hosed things up, here are the Armie DMs that started all the madness

https://twitter.com/gobIinesque/status/1348479207786098691

SlimGoodbody has issued a correction as of 02:08 on Jan 15, 2021

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