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Heavy_D posted:i'm really looking forward to five years time when brexit has wrecked everything and rather than apologising the leave voters will only say that it failed because people didn't back it hard enough
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lol simultaneously nothing to do with Brexit AND it's all remainers' fault
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Blackhawk posted:Also any good capitalist knows that full employment is a disaster because it gives labour too much power, you need to have at least a certain percentage of the population unemployed so that employers have a blade to dangle over your neck. It works even better if unemployment benefits are a lethal joke because the misery of the unemployed is an even better warning for those thinking about asking for more pay or better conditions. this is true, but so are the massive competitive advantages that comes with high pay, high morale, low turnover, an equitable grunt/ceo pay ratio, and a "company/personnel relationship" defined by regular + generous combination cash and stock bonuses. Capitalism became the main mechanism for protecting it's own class relationships centuries ago, and stopped being about anything else shortly afterwards. You can have "good capitalists", in the same way you can have non-marxist marxian scholars and bankers. There are clear systemic pressures that stop this popping up too often. It'd be dishonest to make grand sweeping gestures and say THIS IS THE THING THAT MAKES CAPITALISTS INEFFICIENT WANKERS but there's a bunch of good candidates, market short-termism is one of the better ones. Jaeluni Asjil posted:Which penalizes those who have no mobile phone signal as in lots of the villages and hamlets round my way. (eg my mum has no mobile phone signal for a 2-3 mile radius around her house.) For sure. My last legal gathering back when the pandemic wasn't this I got speaking to my mum's only gaeilgeoir friend in England about danny healy rae demanding to the right to drink three pints of whiskey and drive and it quickly got into "he's right about rural ireland being depressing and isolated as hell, tho". It would have been fantastic to find out ways to address the isolation and city-bound exodus problems with Corbyn finally installing the internet coverage Thatcher decided was too mean to poor internet monopoly wannabes, but instead we're trapped in a world where cities keep developing while anywhere too small to warrant the attention of Capital transforms into an ever-more-dystopian Midsomer. I gave cornwall (both truro and more rural) a try and adored them after my partner didn't want to go from a peruvian wildlife centre with a weekly phone hike straight back into regular english life. Not to fetishise the rural ideal, but I hope future left-wing movements in the UK keep the commitment to anything-not-cities as a realistic alternative.
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https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1349453212097667073 So both the PM and the leader of the opposition are now columnists for the Telegraph. genericnick has issued a correction as of 14:29 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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deir sturmer working tirelessly to attract that hard conservative electorate at the expense of everything else. is the strategy based on the fact that basically no one but them shows up at the polls to vote or something?
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mortons stork posted:deir sturmer working tirelessly to attract that hard conservative electorate at the expense of everything else. is the strategy based on the fact that basically no one but them shows up at the polls to vote or something? If you're in a two party system you can try to play by the-price-is-right rules.
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lol ireland didn't prepare for brexit properly and are apparently more hosed than us from it currently
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Ireland or Northern Ireland? The latter are having a shitload of difficulties I've seen, do you have a link if it's the former?
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gonadic io posted:If you're in a two party system you can try to play by the-price-is-right rules. Note: This only works if your side doesn't think you're a worthless piece of poo poo.
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genericnick posted:https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1349453212097667073 Starmer isn’t getting a telegraph column, it was an attempt at wry humour in an independent article
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Ireland put a lot of work into preparing local businesses for the new rules compared to the UK. They started expanding their ports' capacities quite soon after the referendum to create more direct routes to Europe that avoid the GB land bridge. The one area that's loving Ireland up is that British retailers and couriers trying to get stuff shipped to Ireland turned out to be completely unprepared and, rather that deal with all the hassle of BoJo's sea border, just stopped shipping anything.
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mortons stork posted:deir sturmer working tirelessly to attract that hard conservative electorate at the expense of everything else. is the strategy based on the fact that basically no one but them shows up at the polls to vote or something? the strategy is to be a completely ineffective opposition, suppress the left and exclude them from power, and get sloppy blowjobs from the media for it bc thats what the ruling class and interests want happy brexit. welcome to us politics baby
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https://twitter.com/StenaLine/status/1349437365325017088 This was supposed to be the new flagship freight carrier between Belfast and Liverpool. 2 weeks later - gently caress Britain, set sail for Europe.
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Jan 14, 2021 15:59
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watching uk center-left media contorting to invent good-faith interpretations of keirs poo poo is absolutely hilarious. hes loving passing bojo the ball and then saying "well we will have to conduct a careful and thorough review of ball possession before laying out of priorities vis a vis ball policy" and people are just like "finally, some dignity and competence. i still dont quite understand his strategy though"
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Reality Protester posted:can leftist take over the lib dems, or The lib dems intentionally threw away all good will and faith they might have ever had. A new party would have better luck than them trying to pivot to 'okay we're actually leftists this time we really mean it'
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Reality Protester posted:can leftist take over the lib dems, or no
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Absolutely not. At this point they're literally just a Remainer Tory party
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why would leftists even want to take over the lib dems? the main attraction of attempting to transform the labour party into a radical socialist organisation is that if successful, there’s a viable route to a socialist government or at least a socialist opposition. if leftists successfully took over the lib dems, they would face all the same obstacles to power inherent in the two party system which the current iteration of the party faces, as well as associating themselves with an absolute dogshit brand for no discernible reason.
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Reality Protester posted:can leftist take over the lib dems, or Theoretically yeah, they could. There's 120,845 members in the Lib Dems. If everyone who joined Labour to vote for Corbyn in 2015 joined the Liberals we could take over them. But why'd you want to do that? The brand is utter poison outside of a handful of constituencies in places like Dorset & Orkney & a couple of outer London boroughs. Assuming you can organise 500,000 people to all join the Liberals you'd be as well resurrecting the Independent Labour Party name & getting them all to join that instead.
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one part of the UK I don’t understand is Scotland. Like I understand there are a multitude of pros/cons for cessation and it’s not super black & white, but how come every time a Scottish politician stands up and asks England for something everyone laughs at the Scot and tells them to get hosed? what does Scotland get out of this? is it just an entire country of fetish subs who love having their nuts stomped on?
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Bust Rodd posted:one part of the UK I don’t understand is Scotland. Like I understand there are a multitude of pros/cons for cessation and it’s not super black & white, but how come every time a Scottish politician stands up and asks England for something everyone laughs at the Scot and tells them to get hosed? People were convinced it would be too disruptive and risky to leave, we would risk temporarily losing our EU membership, we can't survive on our own, and the major UK parties got together and promised a lot of concessions and further powers for Scotland. Then in his first speech after the referendum David Cameron talked about how England had been neglected in all this talk of Scotland and we need English votes for English laws
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10000 Sex Arses posted:https://twitter.com/StenaLine/status/1349437365325017088 Heard that Rosslare is so packed that ferries are being overbooked and trucks left behind. Customs at the "land bridge" are completely hosed by all accounts, so places like Irish Tescos have empty shelves for a lot of items. I went to SuperValu two days ago and everything was fine though, so it kinda depends on which place you go to. Just have to deal with it for a couple of months I guess. I decided to gauge how bad it is myself by getting a D&D book from Amazon UK. Don't think I have to pay anything extra as Irish VAT on books is 0%, but if it takes weeks to come in my online shopping days are over lol.
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Bust Rodd posted:one part of the UK I don’t understand is Scotland. Like I understand there are a multitude of pros/cons for cessation and it’s not super black & white, but how come every time a Scottish politician stands up and asks England for something everyone laughs at the Scot and tells them to get hosed? Well you see, leaving the UK would've meant also leaving the EU & having to reapply. Oh, wait, bollocks, never mind. Our largest trading partner is England & if we left the UK to join the EU then we'd have an economic hit because of trade barriers across the border. That one is really the strongest argument for staying in the union, everything else is just emotional appeals to 313 years of history with a little touch of traditionally Scottish religious bigotry thrown in for good measure. (George Galloway argued that if Scotland voted to leave the UK in 2014 then there would be pogroms against Catholics on a scale to match Imperial Russia in the early 20th century which was good fun). A popular line in 2014 was the ever absurd notion that if we left the union we'd be a major target for invasion by the Russia which was some pre-Russiagate Russiagate brain poo poo. I really don't get what the arguments are to stay in the union either really & I live here.
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RIP Richard Leonard, you never scored
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Scotland can always just come sit in our table and take it's rightful place among the Nordic nations. We've always thought of Scots as mad Norwegians, anyways
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multijoe posted:RIP Richard Leonard, you never scored
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Bust Rodd posted:one part of the UK I don’t understand is Scotland. Like I understand there are a multitude of pros/cons for cessation and it’s not super black & white, but how come every time a Scottish politician stands up and asks England for something everyone laughs at the Scot and tells them to get hosed? Cultural inferiority complex ("Scottish Cringe") is probably part of it. Plus the status quo seemed safe and stable. Now chaos reigns.
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