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lightpole posted:Think the first priority is to just get money out and into peoples hands instead of sitting around arguing with Republicans. Its not 2k but it will get out and help. It looked like there was also a lot of other aid in that bill that would help as well I hope. If they catch poo poo for this I'm fine with it because they are trying to do the right thing and support the bottom. Because they literally won GA by saying 2k checks for everyone! And now a lot of folks feel like they were bamboozled.
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Riot Carol Danvers posted:Because they literally won GA by saying 2k checks for everyone! And now a lot of folks feel like they were bamboozled. Also they aren't even in power yet so we gotta wait to see what sort of waterdown COVID releif plan they will actually pass.
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Jan 15, 2021 10:47
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Nessus posted:I know it was probably someone doing a bit, but I wonder... Pulling off the mask and it's old man TobleroneTriangle
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Jan 15, 2021 11:28
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Jan 15, 2021 12:42
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Biden is spending a whole lot of money to get the stink out of the White House.quote:After three COVID-19 breakouts within the White House in recent months, the federal government is sparing no expense to clean and disinfect the building before President-elect Biden moves in Jan. 20. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ahead-inauguration-government-contracts-reveal-white-house-deep/story?id=75253472
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Jan 15, 2021 12:58
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In the first week of November, I posed this question to a doctor I know: “Suppose you were moving into a fifty-five-thousand-square-foot neoclassical mansion. There had been multiple outbreaks of COVID among the previous tenants. What measures would you expect to ensure your safety? Cost is not an object.” She replied “Send in a team to clean the bathrooms and kitchens. Let it sit a few days.” I’m with Biden on this one.
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Jan 15, 2021 13:08
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So I’m in class the other day and we got assigned Ta-Nehisi Coates and James Baldwin to read. And I mean, man if I had the hard copy in hand instead of a PDF I’d have kissed the page. Do you know what is the part of this whole insurrection thing that amuses me, albeit in a cold and sick way? Those “patriots” who were so flabbergasted that the blue line turned on them, the system that suddenly stopped looking at them as “good-ole boys who ain’t do nuthin wrong?” They forgot something critical in their hyper entitled and racist assessment of the world. There are three America’s in my view, that I’ll certainly be writing about for that A. The first ones is the America for the primary ethnicity, you know wypipo. The second is the America for everyone who was or was meant to be merchandise. The third one is the America for those who are powerful. They thought the first and the third Americas was theirs by birth. They rose up against the third and were shocked that there was pushback. How are you gonna roll up on the Third America’s representatives in Congress with zip ties and rifles and poo poo and not expect payback? Eugenics and race science is absolute bullshit, but if it was still a thing, I’d be able to write a paper that starts off with “In this paper, I will show how the American white man is the dumbest creature on God’s green earth. Utilizing..........” St00pid rear end!
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Jan 15, 2021 13:42
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Time Crisis Actor posted:Hey, whatever happened to Jacob Wohl? Yeah him and Burkman were seen walking around the Capitol before poo poo kicked off and that's the last I heard of them.
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Jan 15, 2021 13:45
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Duzzy Funlop posted:German Federal government is seriously discussing (i.e. government statements have already been issued, which generally happens as an early-warning) shutting down public transportation and long-distance travel for individual states with high infection rates.  I think they're treating the new strains like the old one, and hoping it's covered by the vaccine. from what I've read it looks like it is, but I don't know if it's too early to tell or not.
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Jan 15, 2021 14:19
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As Nero Danced posted:
Literally everything I've seen so far about new strains is that the vaccine works to provide immunity against them as well. I'm not saying that it's 100% certain to be true, but if a new strain was especially bad on that front we'd know pretty quickly. A proper virologist would know more than me here but iirc the way that the coronaviruses are structured and replicate makes them a little less likely to undergo the big antigen changes like influenza A virus does which means that vaccines are more likely to not need frequent updates like the flu shots do.
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Jan 15, 2021 14:31
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Nathan Bedford Forrests' corpse is gonna move. https://wreg.com/news/nathan-bedford-forrests-remains-to-be-moved/ Good on Memphis for finally getting something done about that old piece of poo poo.
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Jan 15, 2021 14:33
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TheWeedNumber posted:Speaking of dumb white men The only people democrats hate working with more than republicans is other democrats. My hopes of a productive 2-4 years are rapidly going downhill. e:vvv I was referring to congressional gridlock. Democrats have the majority but are still going to water down everything in pursuit of bipartisan appeal. Minimum wage, justice system reform, DC and Puerto Rico statehood, legal weed, tax code reform, it'll all get neutered because of decorum and because they can't agree on poo poo. As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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As Nero Danced posted:The only people democrats hate working with more than republicans is other democrats. My hopes of a productive 2-4 years are rapidly going downhill. That’s because people are apathetic to participating in democracy. It’s not something you should do only every 2/4 years. If we all just sit around and watch it happen then we don’t deserve anything anyway.
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Jan 15, 2021 15:13
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As Nero Danced posted:The only people democrats hate working with more than republicans is other democrats. My hopes of a productive 2-4 years are rapidly going downhill. Don't forget that as the Republicans get more extreme, center right politicians and voters move to the democratic party, pulling it right at the same time activists try to pull it left.
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Jan 15, 2021 15:32
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https://twitter.com/DuffelBlog/status/1350089762112061443?s=20 Duffel Blog continues to be very good
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As Nero Danced posted:The only people democrats hate working with more than republicans is other democrats. My hopes of a productive 2-4 years are rapidly going downhill. Well there is still the legislative filibuster to contend with, so yeah, anything that requires new legislation is going to require 10+ republican votes. The reality is that having both houses and the presidency isn't cart blanche, and even a supermajority places you at the whims of your least cooperative member.
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Jan 15, 2021 16:18
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Jan 15, 2021 16:26
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Riot Carol Danvers posted:Because they literally won GA by saying 2k checks for everyone! And now a lot of folks feel like they were bamboozled. This is splitting some pretty fine hairs. They are trying to get 2000 to everyone and with 1400 that will be 2k. Just because it doesn't come as a single check doesn't mean they aren't filling their promise. This also doesn't acknowledge the reality that Republicans blocked the 1400 from going out with the 600 the first time around and they will need some GOP support to get it passed. Youre making a stupid argument about an extremely fine technicality that I don't think was the original intent behind the promise, one that they are trying to fulfill. Under this argument they lied because some people got direct deposits and not a check. If you want to argue for more money why not just do that, it makes more sense. Proud Christian Mom posted:You can moonshot something once a year via reconciliation No. I believe it has to be budget neutral to stay permanent, thus rosy predictions for GDP growth under tax cuts for the rich that never materialized and sunsetting tax cuts for the middle class that did.
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Jan 15, 2021 16:36
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idgaf you always ask for more now i want $3k checks gently caress you pay me
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/DuffelBlog/status/1350089762112061443?s=20 That’s pretty funny. I’m glad this weird art school chick introduced me to this place.
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Jan 15, 2021 16:49
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:idgaf you always ask for more I mean, this is a legit argument I can get behind just don't come at me with some disingenuous bullshit. We should have been getting 1500-2k/month since like last June
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Jan 15, 2021 16:50
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Here's Kamala Harris as of two days ago https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1349177374047428608?s=21 At no point was anyone saying $1400. And now we're already talking about this $1400 happening in April, four months after the $600 under an entirely different presidency. This is straight up gaslighting. You might be able to convince yourself that it was always a $1400 check, but you're all fooling yourself if you think ordinary people outside the dem information sphere will see it that way. Edit https://twitter.com/prettycritical/status/1350102903231492097?s=21 Best Friends fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Jan 15, 2021 16:54
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lightpole posted:This is splitting some pretty fine hairs. They are trying to get 2000 to everyone and with 1400 that will be 2k. Just because it doesn't come as a single check doesn't mean they aren't filling their promise. This also doesn't acknowledge the reality that Republicans blocked the 1400 from going out with the 600 the first time around and they will need some GOP support to get it passed. One side has a much better propaganda machine to exploit this. They are making it super easy to write the attack pieces about broken promises by not *starting* at 2k and making the appearance to fight down to $1400. The georgia fight was for $2k. The republican voters that stayed home stayed because of 2k. Not $1400 but if you add in that check you haven't gotten yet it's technically 2k. It's $600 extra bucks. Who gives a poo poo. Put it in there and make someone object. These kind of technocratic explanations keep loving the democrats because no one cares or wants to listen to a long thought out "well actually" lesson.
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Jan 15, 2021 16:58
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I'd also like to point out, as anyone whose followed the negotiation/interview thread will tell you. NEVER start from the compromise position, because chances are the dude on the other side of the table is gonna counter offer with another compromise. If the dems wanna play stupid semantics games let 2000 be the start and negotiate from there.
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TheWeedNumber posted:That’s pretty funny. I’m glad this weird art school chick introduced me to this place. Welcome aboard. Don’t think we got to warn you about joining up forum user TheWeedNumber.
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lightpole posted:I mean, this is a legit argument I can get behind just don't come at me with some disingenuous bullshit. I think the crazy thing about the pandemic is that nobody can hide from the fact that 2k a month is the absolute minimum amount of money people need to survive, and we are still nowhere close to getting a UBI or even increasing things like disability to that level.
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I don’t remember a single person who promised $2k checks ever saying “$1400.” Ever. At all. Not one single time. In ANY context. But it’s definitely our fault for just not understanding what was promised to us.
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Laranzu posted:One side has a much better propaganda machine yo exploit this. Instead we get to sit around WELL TECHNICALLYing ourselves. That one side put us in this situation. Dems need to move money asap and McConnell and the GOP will need a big change of heart for that to happen. They are trying to get support where it is needed after a year of Republicans sitting on their loving hands and ignoring any support. They need to keep pushing the call for checks going out to ordinary people and put pressure on the Republicans to vote for it since even if they got 2k its not enough and more money will have to go out. Dems had a House package passed with 2k in it for months.
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Defenestrategy posted:I'd also like to point out, as anyone whose followed the negotiation/interview thread will tell you. start at 5k oh wait, that would give the filthy poors used to scrounging by on 12k a year enough money that they can tell their minimum wage employers to get hosed. can't have that.
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Coasterphreak posted:oh wait, that would give the filthy poors used to scrounging by on 12k a year enough money that they can tell their minimum wage employers to get hosed. can't have that. it's exactly this. our system doesn't function if you can't threaten workers with homelessness. of course we could pay people to stay home, and to not be thrown out of them, and of course that would be the sensible and humane thing to do even if we weren't in a pandemic and staring down the barrel of climate change. but we won't, because the people who make decisions for us have staked their psychology on believing that the system which has rewarded them should be protected from being forced to dial down the "children thrown into kiln" rate a smidge.
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Anarcho-Bidenism posted:New users on SA? The world really is coming apart. Since 2010 every new account is either an alt or someones parachute account. The amount of unique people on SA has remained constant.
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lightpole posted:I mean, this is a legit argument I can get behind just don't come at me with some disingenuous bullshit. Hey shitbird it wasn't a stupid argument. If you look at literally any social media right now the prevailing opinion is that they promised 2k checks and are breaking that promise. Give me a loving break "splitting hairs", it's the read that literally thousands of people have, not just me. gently caress you.
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Defenestrategy posted:Since 2010 every new account is either an alt or someones parachute account. The amount of unique people on SA has remained constant. Goon diet ensures stable replacement rate.
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boop the snoot posted:I don’t remember a single person who promised $2k checks ever saying “$1400.” Ever. At all. Not one single time. In ANY context. I mean, that was the context of the original 2K check position and legislation, raising the proposed $600 stimulus to $2000. It was only three weeks ago! (Even if it feels like a lifetime after, well, everything). https://twitter.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1341568309955874818?s=20 Granted, the context has changed somewhat in the time since as people have already started receiving the $600 stimulus, but it's not like there was some bait and switch by the Dems to give people smaller checks.
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I personally always expected the amount would be fourteen hundred, but that doesn’t make it a good idea for the Democrats to go for that.
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lightpole posted:This is splitting some pretty fine hairs. They are trying to get 2000 to everyone and with 1400 that will be 2k. Just because it doesn't come as a single check doesn't mean they aren't filling their promise. This also doesn't acknowledge the reality that Republicans blocked the 1400 from going out with the 600 the first time around and they will need some GOP support to get it passed. if youre just going to keep being incredibly wrong about things can you spare us and do it in another forum
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Proud Christian Mom posted:if youre just going to keep being incredibly wrong about things can you spare us and do it in another forum He's completely right but also completely wrong because there is zero way to message this effectively as a positive and not a lovely broken promise by using math. America hates math.
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