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Just finished, I quite liked it. Bettany and Olson do have good chemistry now that they have more than 5 minutes of screen time to share. The episodes themselves were decent send ups of the old sitcoms and had some funny bits. I don't recognize the symbol the beekeeper was wearing that also appeared on the computer monitor at the end of ep 1. My first assumption would be SWORD but the strucker commercial and the voice on the radio (who I couldn't identify, did anybody recognize it?) had me second guessing. Dottie seems to know of Wanda somehow so I'm curious what that leads to. Overall a good start
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Well it's a beekeeper so probably AIM
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I had that thought too but I figured not since they were already used previously
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Jan 15, 2021 19:39
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My problem with Wanda Vision is it feels weird between the old aesthetics, but using modern styles of cinematography and camera shots. I wish they had fully committed to the bit.
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Dexo posted:My problem with Wanda Vision is it feels weird between the old aesthetics, but using modern styles of cinematography and camera shots. the shift to modern cinematography is intended to be out of place and unsettling in the scenes where it happens, though? though it's possible there are unintentional anachronisms I didn't pick up on, I admittedly don't have a lot of familiarity with the sitcoms this is pastiching site posted:Just finished, I quite liked it. Bettany and Olson do have good chemistry now that they have more than 5 minutes of screen time to share. The episodes themselves were decent send ups of the old sitcoms and had some funny bits. I don't recognize the symbol the beekeeper was wearing that also appeared on the computer monitor at the end of ep 1. My first assumption would be SWORD but the strucker commercial and the voice on the radio (who I couldn't identify, did anybody recognize it?) had me second guessing. Dottie seems to know of Wanda somehow so I'm curious what that leads to. Overall a good start yeah, my guess is that most of the supporting characters who seem to just be sitcom archetypes (not just Agnes or "Geraldine"/Monica) will end up tying into the MCU proper more closely than it might seem, and that's one of the main ways that the slow burn of playing the pastiche straight for the large majority of the first few episodes will pay off Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Barry Convex posted:the shift to modern cinematography is intended to be out of place and unsettling in the scenes where it happens, though? though it's possible there are unintentional anachronisms I didn't pick up on, I admittedly don't have a lot of familiarity with the sitcoms this is pastiching I guess not all of it. Does image quality fall into "modern cinematography"? The shots may be in black and white, but they look really well done and crisp, whereas the actual old stuff had would record images consisting of a few dozen pixels. Hoenstly, I would not want to see something which goes that deep into the bit.
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I do appreciate the use of period appropriate effects in the more sitcom-y parts to show their powers, it'd be very easy for a production to overlook or decide that modern audiences would find them hokey, but they went all in on stuff like using match-cut edits to have Wanda change her clothes via magic.
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Same, and I also liked the cheesy animated intro for ep 2
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cant cook creole bream posted:I guess not all of it. Does image quality fall into "modern cinematography"? The shots may be in black and white, but they look really well done and crisp, whereas the actual old stuff had would record images consisting of a few dozen pixels. Hoenstly, I would not want to see something which goes that deep into the bit. This isn't true of all old TV shows. If they were on film, they can look pretty amazing nowadays. It's the shows that were filmed on video that look like crap. I Love Lucy actually looks pretty drat good on HD sets.
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Gaz-L posted:I do appreciate the use of period appropriate effects in the more sitcom-y parts to show their powers, it'd be very easy for a production to overlook or decide that modern audiences would find them hokey, but they went all in on stuff like using match-cut edits to have Wanda change her clothes via magic. yeah, it also makes the use of CG stand out more in the parts that are intended to break from the pastiche
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Codependent Poster posted:This isn't true of all old TV shows. If they were on film, they can look pretty amazing nowadays. It's the shows that were filmed on video that look like crap. I Love Lucy actually looks pretty drat good on HD sets. Same for OG Star Trek. Basically stuff from the 80s and 90s is way more likely to look like poo poo.
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Okay closely looking at the logo it is very clearly a sword lol shouldn't have second guessed myself
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I don't particularly care about Bushman (not confirmed, but the most likely guess for the lead villain of a Moon Knight series), but I'm down for Ethan Hawke https://twitter.com/THR/status/1350192570052321280
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I hope he's Seth the Immortal and they've decided to adapt the bizarre Terry Kavanaugh era where Frenchie had the spirit of a Templar knight or something inside him and Moon Knight fought demons
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Gaz-L posted:Same for OG Star Trek. Basically stuff from the 80s and 90s is way more likely to look like poo poo. A really huge chunk of '80s and '90s stuff was shot on film, too. It just has to do with the final output and mastering; most productions weren't future-proofing, so stuff was just mastered at NTSC resolution for delivery to the TV stations, and for anything effects-heavy, it's a massive and expensive undertaking to actually go back and re-render and re-composite effects shots. There are exceptions--for example, Homicide: Life on the Street was almost exclusively shot on handheld 16mm cameras, and so there's only so much resolution that can be found, there's only so much blood to be drawn from that dead horse--but the source material for a lot of '80s and '90s shows is actually reference-material 35mm stuff. If anything, it's early 2000s stuff, when productions were experimenting with rudimentary prosumer formats like HDV, where things get dodgy.
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Barry Convex posted:I don't particularly care about Bushman (not confirmed, but the most likely guess for the lead villain of a Moon Knight series), but I'm down for Ethan Hawke Bushman's origins are pretty racist, but I don't think whitewashing him would be the answer to dealing with the worst parts of it.
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They took Man Ape and gave us a fantastic character in Black Panther. I trust them. And also it's Ethan Hawke.
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A neat reddit theory I saw thought The commercials were referencing traumas from Wanda's past. Starting with the stark bomb, then strucker experimenting on her and pietro with the watch.
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Kingtheninja posted:A neat reddit theory I saw thought The commercials were referencing traumas from Wanda's past. Starting with the stark bomb, then strucker experimenting on her and pietro with the watch. Reaction to this Wandavision spoiler: oh poo poo
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Kingtheninja posted:A neat reddit theory I saw thought The commercials were referencing traumas from Wanda's past. Starting with the stark bomb, then strucker experimenting on her and pietro with the watch. I saw someone speculate based off of this that the two actors in both of those commercials are going to turn out to be Wanda and Pietro's parents, which definitely seems like a possibility with how weirdly those things are shot.
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Codependent Poster posted:This isn't true of all old TV shows. If they were on film, they can look pretty amazing nowadays. It's the shows that were filmed on video that look like crap. I Love Lucy actually looks pretty drat good on HD sets. So my first impression is that I'm shocked it's such a drat good sitcom. I was expecting spot-on genre pastiche and creeping Lynchian mystery/horror, I wasn't expecting it to be actually funny. But it is! People get genuinely good lines off! The magic show is a loving hoot! It was also so generally perfect in being the sitcoms it's pretending to be that I'm actually wondering if we're supposed to just ignore the anachronisms that do show up (that "show" isn't integrated until the 70s, Wanda's magic assistant outfit is basically porn by the standards of the setting), or if they're deliberately off-kilter touches. Kingtheninja posted:A neat reddit theory I saw thought The commercials were referencing traumas from Wanda's past. Starting with the stark bomb, then strucker experimenting on her and pietro with the watch.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:I think the voice on the radio was Randall Park so Jimmy Woo I guess I really want them to have Woo more like he is in the comics. It sucks that they took a guy who's basically Chinese-American James Bond, and made him into Inspector Clouseau.
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Huh, I thought the voice might have been Banner or Hawkeye. But Jimmy is probably way more likely.
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The voice was definitely Jimmy Woo. So my theory on this is that this is the MCU's House of M. Wanda has definitely altered the reality around them, but the question is if she did that on her own or is being manipulated in some way. The way Mr. Hart questions them so much about why they're there and how Mrs. Hart begs Wanda to stop it and how Dottie says she doesn't believe that Wanda isn't there to hurt them leads me to believe that everyone knows that Wanda is responsible for what's happening to them on some level. Wanda is either altering reality or is manipulating the multiverse. She recreated Vision and now is creating her children. I'm positive that Pietro is also going to show up. But again, is this due to trauma and a triggering event, or is someone pulling the strings? Monica shows up after they find the helicopter, but can't remember her name. So it seems she was sent in by SWORD, but the reality Wanda created also changed her so she couldn't remember things about the outside reality. We see SWORD literally watching the broadcast, so they're likely trying to figure out what happened. Jimmy Woo seems to believe that someone is manipulating Wanda by asking her "who is doing this to you?"
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Gavok posted:For the first episode's commercial, I saw this comparison pointed out. I honestly don't see it. It may be indented in another version, but those two pictures don't really look alike.
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I wasn't sure what to make of this at first but Emma Caulfield as a 50's TV housewife is a loving inspired bit of casting. Wonderful. Also I loved that the first episode was basically Vision distracting his boss from seeing Wanda whipping up some aurora borealis in the kitchen. What's up with the hexagon symbolism in the opening and the ending and just all around? I know Wanda traditionally has "hex" powers, but that's maybe coincidental? Related to the beekeeper, a la honeycombs, or is that... also just a coincidence? This doesn't seem like the kind of show that just has a whole bunch of accidental visual symbolism & connections with no meaning. edit: cant cook creole bream posted:I honestly don't see it. It may be indented in another version, but those two pictures don't really look alike. It's not that similar other than the mouth, but I think it's more of a general running joke that Ultron is compared to a toaster.  XboxPants fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Jan 16, 2021 |
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It's wonderful to see Emma Caufield on TV again.
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Gavok posted:For the first episode's commercial, I saw this comparison pointed out. I assumed it was more of a reference to the line/moment from the Vision series (though now Kingtheninja's post makes me think it's that instead.)  Codependent Poster posted:But again, is this due to trauma and a triggering event, or is someone pulling the strings? The end of the second episode definitely made me think that Wanda is aware/responsible for what she's doing. The SWORD helicopter enters her reality and is turned into a toy. The beekeeper enters her reality and looks normal, she says "no," and rewinds the show and alters reality to have her moment unspoiled. Having him come up from a manhole makes me think AIM is literally working underground and competing with SWORD to try and figure out what Wanda did to that town.
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Codependent Poster posted:(Wanda vision spoilers) I'm positive that Pietro is also going to show up. But again, is this due to trauma and a triggering event, or is someone pulling the strings? Well they do say the show is leading to Dr. Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3, both about the multiverse. Now that Disney owns Fox, maybe Pietro will show up.... but it's the Evan Peters version
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Medullah posted:Well they do say the show is leading to Dr. Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3, both about the multiverse. Now that Disney owns Fox, maybe Pietro will show up.... but it's the Evan Peters version I am convinced this will happen.
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Medullah posted:Well they do say the show is leading to Dr. Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3, both about the multiverse. Now that Disney owns Fox, maybe Pietro will show up.... but it's the Evan Peters version I think there is going to be a Full House sitcom version so what if it’s both Quicksilvers
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Jagermonster posted:I think there is going to be a Full House sitcom version so what if it’s both Quicksilvers With special guest Grandpa Ultron
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Abroham Lincoln posted:
In the second episode, when Wanda wins the talent contest, the way Dottie and the other ladies are acting has got some "Clap! Clap and smile for the monster so she won't wish us into the cornfield" vibes. The show does make more sense when you realise that Wanda's, to townspeople like Dottie and Vision's boss, an antagonist come to disrupt their lives and make puppets of them.
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Why are people assuming the (e2)helicopter was a real helicopter when it seems way more logical for it to be a spy drone, which would also explain the red and gold colours, it could be tech Pepper has supplied SWORD with and Wanda recognises it subconsciously. Same with the 'beekeeper' outfit and people immediately jumping to AIM when AIM in the movies was just Guy Pearce's evil corporate goons. Way more likely just a hazmat suit being 'translated' into sitcom-land terms, especially as it has the SWORD logo on it.
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Gaz-L posted:Why are people assuming the (e2)helicopter was a real helicopter when it seems way more logical for it to be a spy drone, which would also explain the red and gold colours, it could be tech Pepper has supplied SWORD with and Wanda recognises it subconsciously. Same with the 'beekeeper' outfit and people immediately jumping to AIM when AIM in the movies was just Guy Pearce's evil corporate goons. Way more likely just a hazmat suit being 'translated' into sitcom-land terms, especially as it has the SWORD logo on it. The helicopter thing is educated guesses from something in the trailers.
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